Goatboy joins the flotsam when he dons his netstalker outfit.
There are sensible and highly educated people on Getbig. They don't come here to be serious so good debates are few and far between.
If you studied sociology you wouldn't expect people raised in a slum to go to university. Why? Well, they don't have the attitudes at home or in their community that foster the ambition to do so. If your parents are professionally trained and educated then you will probably get a university education, too.
Can we blame those living in a ghetto for not getting an education? Most of the time, no.
Do we still blame most fat people for becoming obese? Yes. Prejudice and attitudes are formed over decades associating with others and so on. Racial prejudice is mixed with class as many appreciate. In other words, a lot of the bias is actually disapproval of characteristics that are not based on race but on social status. If many of the people of a particular race are working class then it is a short step to believe that everyone of that race has those qualities. Once you get a bias or mental set it is easy to accumulate more proof that this view is right.
I was talking about the causes of obesity and not how to reverse it. If you look at fat populations you might not see many actively doing much about their body composition. There are reasons for this as well. Those who own gyms know that overweight people present but the morbidly obese stay away. Unless you dwell in a very obese body you won't appreciate what it is like to live with that problem.
Bodybuilders like to keep things simple. They easily bulk up then reduce fat for competitions. Well, many have trouble gaining weight especially when they believe they should 'eat healthily'. No one escapes the general beliefs in the web of knowledge and it takes an independent person to penetrate this web and appreciate real knowledge in nutrition or hypertrophy theory. What most believe is that to gain weight you simply increase the calories over expenditure. To lose weight simply reverse this process. This works for those with normal genetics for storing excess calories. If you inherited clever genes that are more efficient at storing excess calories then you are bound to get fat if you live a typical Western lifestyle. At the moment there is no way to know if you have this fatty gene and when you do find yourself obese it may be too late to reverse that composition.
In Weight Watchers and other businesses set up to help people lose weight we always find some who successful lose heaps of fat. We attribute this to exceptional motivation. Most of those who lose substantial amounts of fat regain much of it back when they are not so attentive to what they eat and do.
Clearly the physics remains the same but individual circumstances conspire to defeat any but the highly motivated to reverse the obese state. To then say these people should do something about it is really not appreciating what happens in particular instances. We tend to lump together all obese people when there are many ways to become obese. There are many causes of obesity including illnesses such as glandular problems. Ironically, the mobidly obese often do present with hormonal abnormalities and this can aggravate the obesity. Very fat women can get PCOS and other disorders and that complicates an already stressful state in the body. Did many know that exceptionally fat women often cannot get pregnant? This could be the body's way to prevent it to cope with more stress.
If you actually listen to fat people you will discover it is not as simple as most imagine. Think of all the stares they receive. Would any of you present at a gym if you weighed 100 or 200 pounds more than you do now? I doubt it. Imagine all the advice fat people must listen to re diets, etc. Imagine the social situation of fat people and the constant putdowns they hear daily. I am sure if obesity were easy to reverse then all fat people would have done so long ago.
If what I say is true then it must be awful to be really obese. You have lost control of your body and become a prisoner inside that mass. The options for exercise are mostly gone and what can you do if your joints are sore? Those devices advertised for losing fat are shams. I wonder why the government allows companies to go on TV and tell lies about losing fat tummies, etc. That is preposterous and does not happen because spot reducing is a sham. You don't do situps to get a washboard tummy! Seems that lie has been around for thousands of years!
If you are a professional who deals with patients who are obese then try to find research about this phenomenon and understand it. That is the first step to helping fat people. Listen to them and hear what they are saying. Don't assume you know what is best for them. Do not accuse them of having no willpower because they might have much more than you ever will. The very process of dieting over the years can lead to obesity. This is hard to accept because it seems like nonsense. Fat acceptance sites tell fat people that dieting doesn't work. The first time you read this you don't accept it. Surely fat people must lose weight if they diet properly and stick with it? Yes, they do lose weight. However, what happens to them is that when they stop dieting their bodies are in a starvation state and remains like way for a while. During this period the body will store whatever it needs to cope with any future starvation episodes. This is a survival mechanism and those who are predisposed to store fat are destined to be defeated by dieting. Add that many try foolish diets and you begin to understand the processes that defeat many who try to lose fat.
If you are a woman surely you would attend to your appearance? Yes, that might even be something at the top of the list to watch for. So, how come so many women become obese if fatness is considered unattractive by most people? That is not easily answered. There is plenty of motivation to be attractive for both sexes but surely that pressure in on females much more. If females are generally getting fatter each year what the heck is causing this? That is something that researchers are trying to find out. If you take Oprah Winfrey as an example of an obese women then clearly the battle is never won. The tendency to regain fat is always there. If readers here try to appreciate this challenge then they would hardly post like the flotsam do in this thread. These lads are coarse and vulgar in what they post and they should all be ashamed of themselves as students of physical improvement.
