ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[Cleanest Natural]

Not as much as you would think.....I compete at about 188 - 191.  Right now I am pushing about 208 - 210 for my off season.  Hope to compete at 191 - 193 next august.  Can't wait for Sevastina to say I am on something or am an ex user some shit.

In the picyou posted you needed aas to maintain muscle whilebeing that cut ( fatburners and or t3 also )

you are lieing although you'd never admit it

[wavelength]

Yep, I saw them yesterday. I like him too but I will give my honest opinion. I notcied that he said he "built" his physique with this diet. Actually there was no muscle being built while dieting. He got very lean but he has no real muscle to speak of. I am not trying to be mean but you can take just about anyone who doesn't lift and if you get them lean enough their muscles will show.

I never claimed to have gained muscle while dieting, that's just not true. I never claimed to be huge, the starting point was far from my best at that condition. And I'm lifetime natural.

[The True Adonis]

NO I didn't and I am being sincere about that so accept my word on that please. I know we joke around and stuff but IF!!! I was going to follow your recommedations then this is t he exact diet I would follow because I like the taste of what I picked. You yourself said it was OK correct or not?


McDonald's sandwich: Double Quarter Pounder® with cheese 760- 46 grams of protein

Ben and Jerry's chocolate chunk 2 servings 480- 8 grams of protein

SMALL McDonlads french fri 230-  3 grams of protein

Hostess Brownie Bites (6) 348

2 Scoops Body Fortress Protein Powder 200 calories -56 grams of protein

So here are your totals:
2018 Calories
113 Grams of Protein

Yep. I approve it.

[Cleanest Natural]

Disgusted has seen my pics. My diet was exactly as I have described it. Prove me wrong and I will match any bet you are willing to put up.

So if I do that diet I'll go from the first pic's condition to the second one...

why the fuck did I diet so hard then ?

Disgusted ,WTF man ? revise your aproach ... 

[Disgusted]

I never claimed to have gained muscle while dieting, that's just not true. I never claimed to be huge, the starting point was far from my best at that condition. And I'm lifetime natural.

Never said you did, non the less use said "built" in your description although I realize that you may have just used that term loosely. I give you credit, you are lean, but Like I said you have very little muscle. That's not a put down.

[Disgusted]

So if I do that diet I'll go from the first pic's condition to the second one...

why the fuck did I diet so hard then ?

Disgusted ,WTF man ? revise your aproach ... 

Here I go again opening a Pandoras box (and I haven't been in her box for years  ) but it's a whole different ballgame when it comes to bbing. CF Smith claimed the same thing but he never really got shredded either but he did get lean. Verdict, you did the right thing.

[wavelength]

Never said you did non the less use said "built" in your description although I realize that you may have just used that term loosely. I give you credit, you are lean, but Like I said you have very little muscle. That's not a put down.

Of course I did, I never meant to say that I have gained muscle mass during the cut.

You're absolutely right, I'm tiny. I think my natural potential is to be maybe 10lbs heavier at that condition. As I said, the starting point was bad due to injuries in the past year.

[Cleanest Natural]

Maybe I'm crazy but if that diet can get you to look like this maybe I REALLY and retarded and should go hang myself ( in a public place nonetheless )

[Disgusted]

Of course I did, I never meant to say that I have gained muscle mass during the cut.

You're absolutely right, I'm tiny. I think my natural potential is to be maybe 10lbs heavier at that condition. As I said, the starting point was bad due to injuries in the past year.

You look good!!

[nycbull]

Umm...well here is my experience:

Sat in waiting area and was given a Valium to calm me down.  I never felt any different.  Was taken to operating room and put in chair.  They cover one eye.  Then they use a plastic instrument to 'prop' the other eye open.  They spray your eye with some numbing liquid.  Then the blade makes the incision in the eye.  The flap is lifted (which is one of the freakiest things) and your vision is even blurrier.  Then the laser does its thing....for a moment you have COMPLETE darkness in the eye along with some pressure (dont remember why).  It goes like an eclipse.  When your sight come back, the flap is closed, something is then used to close the incision (sounds like you are being tazered). 

When they did my right eye I told them that there was a LOT of pressure.  They said it was normal.  When you are done, you really are able to see clearly.  You go home, sleep for about 6 - 8 hours.  For the first two weeks every hour you are putting drops of some sort in your eye.

All in all...WELL WORTH IT.

wow, sounds scary....thanks for the description

I would definitley need a few valiums. 

[Disgusted]

Maybe I'm crazy but if that diet can get you to look like this maybe I REALLY and retarded and should go hang myself ( in a public place nonetheless )

THank God I was between sips.   

[wavelength]

So if I do that diet I'll go from the first pic's condition to the second one...

why the fuck did I diet so hard then ?

Disgusted ,WTF man ? revise your aproach ... 

Were you clean for that diet?
What exactly do you accuse me of, lying about my diet or lying about my lifetime natural status?
I have no problems with your opinion, I'm not insulted or anything, I'm just interested.
As Disgusted pointed out, I'm nowhere in the range where anyone would think that I'm on any kind of drugs.

[Disgusted]

Fuk it, I'm droppin down even further. If she can do it so can I!!  

[Cleanest Natural]

It always fascinated me how some people have this uncanny ability to lie with the most natural candor of a 5 year old ...

[Cleanest Natural]

Were you clean for that diet?
What exactly do you accuse me of, lying about my diet or lying about my lifetime natural status?
I have no problems with your opinion, I'm not insulted or anything, I'm just interested.
As Disgusted pointed out, I'm nowhere in the range where anyone would think that I'm on any kind of drugs.

Yes .. I dieted clean as in no aas, hormones , t3/4,fatburners or diuretics

[wavelength]

Why should I lie about my diet? Do you think I want to deliberately mislead people? Why is it so unbelievable?

Or are you just busting my balls?

[The True Adonis]

Maybe I'm crazy but if that diet can get you to look like this maybe I REALLY and retarded and should go hang myself ( in a public place nonetheless )

Or this!

[wavelength]

that's no comparison, more mass and leaner than me

[Disgusted]

Adam please post those pics again, I missed then the first 6000 times.

[wavelength]

Disgusted, do you agree with sev that I must either lie about my diet or my natural status to get in the shape displayed in the pic? I think it's ridiculous.

[The True Adonis]

Umm...well here is my experience:

Sat in waiting area and was given a Valium to calm me down.  I never felt any different.  Was taken to operating room and put in chair.  They cover one eye.  Then they use a plastic instrument to 'prop' the other eye open.  They spray your eye with some numbing liquid.  Then the blade makes the incision in the eye.  The flap is lifted (which is one of the freakiest things) and your vision is even blurrier.  Then the laser does its thing....for a moment you have COMPLETE darkness in the eye along with some pressure (dont remember why).  It goes like an eclipse.  When your sight come back, the flap is closed, something is then used to close the incision (sounds like you are being tazered). 

When they did my right eye I told them that there was a LOT of pressure.  They said it was normal.  When you are done, you really are able to see clearly.  You go home, sleep for about 6 - 8 hours.  For the first two weeks every hour you are putting drops of some sort in your eye.

All in all...WELL WORTH IT.

I think I will just stick to contact lenses and glasses.  I read that and I get nervous just thinking about the procedure.  That instant of darkness and pressure......eeek  Not good.

[Disgusted]

Disgusted, do you agree with sev that I must either lie about my diet or my natural status to get in the shape displayed in the pic? I think it's ridiculous.

You want my honest opinion? OK, first I think your a good guy. Now, I once had a friend who's wife never knew he took steroids even thogh he won a few shows. We all had to si there while his wife would brag about the fact that he never took steroids. I don't even personally know most of you guys so how would I REALLY know? Does it look like you are on? not really since like I said you have not much muscle. The lighting is really good for your pics and if you are not flexing and in normal light you may not even look lean. As far as the diet goes I have never seen yours. Was it on you site cause I missed it?

[flexingtonsteele]

I say we put up pool and someone take up the adonis challenge for 10 weeks and start a sticky on the main board keep a journal and post there results daily/weekly.

This way we can see if it works or not and put this to rest for good.

Anyone up for the challenge. Ill put up 50 bux, anyone else want to chip in???

[Disgusted]

I say we put up pool and someone take up the adonis challenge for 10 weeks and start a sticky on the main board keep a journal and post there results daily/weekly.

This way we can see if it works or not and put this to rest for good.

Anyone up for the challenge. Ill put up 50 bux, anyone else want to chip in???

Yeah but how can we know that this person will eat this way?

[Sharma]

I don't understand why such venom and fury is unleashed toward the true adonis. He is not saying so much that is crazy. Not at all in fact. He just say enjoy what you eat and as long as you satisfy certain protein and calorific criteria, there is much breadth of choice and you need not be so confined in your choices. This can actually cause people to break diets that are unnecessarily harsh.

Seem to me that not enough are really reading Adam, just try to attack him from a position of total ignorance.