are kidding me, i dont know how many times "new members" come here --me included and ask that VERY SAME QUESTION, and get nothing but bullshit comments and "meltdown", "epic". etc. LIKE comments, and as I remember you were the main one that said something "worthless", your such a joke man,---YOUR THE MAIN ONE THAT doesnt say ANYTHING about working out and eating good-your the one that doesnt bb or lift...computer troll for life, if you dont like this board go to MAYHEM, that board acually will help you get bigger and stronger, the pros on here dont even help, they are here for the same reason im here, for the enertainment value, which can be AWESOME!!! i go to one board to learn, one for fun.--take your guess which one is which??