"Have trained at Golds ,Venice for 15 years.Have witnessed some hardcore workouts by top bodybuilders.Rory Leidelmeyer being one of the most hardcore and powerful ever witnessed. But have seen some real pathetic workouts by top guys.Here are the all time most pathetic trainers I witnessed.Paul Dillet,Gary Strydom,Mike Christian,Flex Wheeler,Bob Chicarillo.These are not just one time deals either.They were consistent with pathetic training methods and intensity. I dont care what you have read in magazines or heard.They are all awesome bodybuilders and some of my favorites,but it really told me a lot about genetics and extreme drug use. Dont get me started on what I used to see them eating in the weeks leading up to shows.And not just on cheat days. Any one else out there have these same stories?" - Tom