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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #250 on: May 05, 2007, 10:31:39 PM »
LOL funny oh boy that was funny see you later mr aceto

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #251 on: May 06, 2007, 12:39:15 AM »
Milos, you need a freaking Therapist before you shoot up the entire world! :o

Ripping you a "few new holes" was (is...and always will be) - my true enjoyment... ;)...

Interestingly, "Therapist" comes to your mind... ::)
Is it that bad already? ;D...

Have I already shot a Sugary sheriff? ;D




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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #252 on: May 06, 2007, 12:45:41 AM »
Milos, you need a freaking Therapist before you shoot up the entire world! :o


Ripping you a "few new holes" was (is...and always will be) - my true enjoyment... ;)...

Interestingly, "Therapist" comes to your mind... ::)
Is it that bad already? ;D...


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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #253 on: May 06, 2007, 12:48:32 AM »
Milos you need more detail in your posts.

 :-[...I'll try harder... ;)


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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #254 on: May 06, 2007, 12:51:38 AM »
Talking about that Paul Chua - well, I know for a fact that this guy is very controversial even in his home country of the Philippines where two years ago, most of the veteran and name bodybuilders left the Philippine Federation where Paul Chua is the head in protest against him. These veteran bodybuilders were unanimous in crying out foul play and corruption and they vowed that they would not have anything to do with the Philippine bodybuilding federation as long as Paul Chua remained its head. So much for bodybuilding in the Philippines that is why there is a sudden decline in the sport here and so many of the promising Philippine greats have joined and created independent associations of their own. So you will see now in the Philippines most of the humongous, veteran bodybuilders are now joining competitions such as MuscleMania, Nabba events instead of representing the country in IFBB international meets - all because they protest against all the foul play and corruption by this Paul Chua.

That's what I have witnessed here in the Philippines. Most of the competitors for the Mr. Philippines are all newbies and are a far cry from the quality veteran bodybuilders who have left the PBBF (Philippine Bodybuilders Federation). Bodybuilding in the Philippines is declining.

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #255 on: May 06, 2007, 01:01:41 AM »
Paul Chua is from Singapore

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #256 on: May 07, 2007, 10:32:36 AM »
Talking about that Paul Chua - well, I know for a fact that this guy is very controversial even in his home country of the Philippines where two years ago, most of the veteran and name bodybuilders left the Philippine Federation where Paul Chua is the head in protest against him. These veteran bodybuilders were unanimous in crying out foul play and corruption and they vowed that they would not have anything to do with the Philippine bodybuilding federation as long as Paul Chua remained its head. So much for bodybuilding in the Philippines that is why there is a sudden decline in the sport here and so many of the promising Philippine greats have joined and created independent associations of their own. So you will see now in the Philippines most of the humongous, veteran bodybuilders are now joining competitions such as MuscleMania, Nabba events instead of representing the country in IFBB international meets - all because they protest against all the foul play and corruption by this Paul Chua.

That's what I have witnessed here in the Philippines. Most of the competitors for the Mr. Philippines are all newbies and are a far cry from the quality veteran bodybuilders who have left the PBBF (Philippine Bodybuilders Federation). Bodybuilding in the Philippines is declining.

Paul Chua is not from Philippines...but high officials of EVERY Asian country could confirm Paul Chua's foul play for DECADES...

As truth finds the way out - sooner or later...Paul Chua will get what he deserves...and that is certain.

It is ONLY MATTER OF TIME...and that time is fastly approaching.

Yes, so far his word has "more weight" than mine...but we'll see what future brings.

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #257 on: May 07, 2007, 12:43:39 PM »
Perhaps the WarHorse needs to visit Mr Cow...or chia....whatever. 

 This could be an eye-closing experiance for him.....Just say the word Milos!!!  ARRRGGGGHHHHH :o ;D

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #258 on: May 07, 2007, 06:56:42 PM »


So Bob...here are your concerns:
1) I always care if the integrity of the IFBB is being followed, and If fair treatment is being given to our athletes...that's why I fight for the changes I have...difference is, I go through the proper channels and actually get things done.Talking louder and taking matters into your own hands has done nothing so far, except get BB dropped from the games and cost athletes a lot of money in the future

2) Funny...I didn't get a call from you, either. Why didn't you pick up the phone to alert your A rep of the happenings in Doha? You certainly knew before I did...

3) Now I know there are truly two sides, as you cant even recall the simplest of details...There were no less than 20 people that will verify that I did, in fact, turn to you AT LEAST three times...and tell you "Milos...I've got it..." Milos..hang on...", etc....

Who am I to tell you? I'm the athletes representative who was addressing the situation at hand with the head judge...I don't recall asking for your assistance. You ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me.

4) You're right...and often, things do not appear as they seem. That's why we have a justice system, or in this case...a process which should be followed, which you chose to ignore.



Here are my answers:


#1)

"difference is, I go through the proper channels and actually get things done"
- Let's focus on this statement for a moment Bob.

What things are you talking about?

Name a single one - that is actually requested BY THE ATHLETES...

Maybe - after countless meetings, putting everything in writing...and PROPER CHANNELS - you have accomplished to get us MORE COMPARISONS starting 2007...exactly with the Ironman. That is your ONLY accomplishment worth mentioning - but WHAT WAS A RESULT after all?

Result of your PROPER CHANNELING and SUCCESSFULLY accomplishing THE ONLY THING athletes actually ASK YOU TO DO...was...? ::)

We had EVEN LESS COMPARISONS than usual!? (or you would deny that?)

But, when we are at this subject - if you didn't notice (or still don't realize) - I WENT THERE TO SUPPORT YOU and give you a helping hand...
Your efforts to get us what we need, what we should have for years and what every IFBB pro desperately ask for (literally CRYING FOR) is: opportunity to compete...failed miserably - AGAIN, and again...and again...

I was only asking those judges to realize that having no comparisons means COMPLETE disrespect to many athletes who put their hearts and souls...and a last penny - into preparation for the contest...hoping to be allowed to COMPETE...
Any competitor who was compared repeatedly with numerous others - would have NO PROBLEM accepting "dead last place"...IF he was compared...but accepting ANY place without having the opportunity to fight for higher is TRAGIC.
I know - as I talk to so many of them...

So, after YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST EFFORTS...and doing it through proper channels...being politically correct - YOU MISERABLY FAILED AGAIN.

You didn't get us what you promised...and what supposedly JIM MANION TOLD YOU...(not any of us...as we simply were not there...)

THIS IS WHY - I have no problem saying what I am saying...and I absolutely meant NO HARM...to anyone...especially Sandy or any particular judge...

"My fault" was that I said: "Please judges - realize that you are NOT respecting these athletes by not allowing them to be compared.
You are NOT RESPECTING their efforts and inhuman sacrifices in preparation for this (or any other contest)...so PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.

And even if you are absolutely SURE about your placements - why would you think that few extra comparisons would not be a "good idea" for fans, magazines, photographers...and of course bodybuilders...and BODYBUILDING!

I was crucified for saying that...and actually "called out" for physical confrontation....Huh
Certainly - if I was raging and without control...things would have been much worse...but contrary what last Athletes rep (read even worse failure in that aspect...well - speaking of him it is enough to say - failure in EVERY aspect...) - I am always IN CONTROL!

To sum it up Bob...
I know your efforts...and we've seen your results.

Maybe we should ask the athletes this time around to really express what they want...and actually have their requests PUBLISHED so everyone would see them (speaking of the PROPER CHANELS Wink)


Now - I do want to mention another important thing:

CHANGES that happened so far (first round especially) is something that athletes didn't ask for...just like request to stop judging the posing round.

Here are just two examples to confirm what everyone is thinking when they post your picture as "Bob - the puppet".
Picture says it all...and unfortunately is Oh so accurate...

You even went into cocky explanation that regardless what I say - things will happen as you are suggesting (at the time it was: request to stop judging POSING ROUND..)

And only when I requested from you names and signatures of more than 50 % of the IFBB pros - you changed the story and decided to talk to me (should I say: compromise...)


Well, that is my point...

As I am taking the flight in an hour - I can't finish what I started...but I promise I will...(as always - addressing each and every concern and question...)

I must say that you are absolutely MUCH better than Shawn in ability to answer every question as you are being asked...rather than selectively "filter" the questions you don't want to give your comments and answers to...(something Shawn does continuously...I wonder why?)


#2)

I didn't call you...as I find calling Rafael Santonja way more appropriate...
Besides Bob, I haven't seen NOTHING from your side that would make me think you are even remotely interested in helping the situation...

Do you understand WHAT am I fighting for in this Asian issue?

I fight for the ATHLETES...
All bodybuilders from Asia and the Middle East - as they don't have RIGHTS and CHANCE to win anything - due to disgusting practices of Mr. Paul Chua...

Also, I am being crucified for TRYING TO HELP THE ATHLETES...and sticking my neck out for them...and as your actions show - I didn't expect you would be interested to help me (as you are showing me now) - so I didn't bother calling...

#3)

"You ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me."

No, you ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me Bob.
Who do you think you are to tell me - ANYTHING?
To hang on...as you got it Roll Eyes...etc...etc...

Obviously if you did "got it"...we wouldn't even have that discussion...and as YOU DIDN'T - I was there to find out for myself...



4) Everything I do..I DO IT MY WAY...and will continue doing it...



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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #259 on: May 07, 2007, 07:01:18 PM »
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MILOS.........BOB SHAWN WHAT CAN I SAY.......... ???

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #260 on: May 07, 2007, 07:06:53 PM »
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MILOS.........BOB SHAWN WHAT CAN I SAY.......... ???



Its a sad day.....theres a new hybrid bodybuilder called BOBSHAWN !!!! 
 Lord help us :'(

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #261 on: May 07, 2007, 07:10:36 PM »
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MILOS.........BOB SHAWN WHAT CAN I SAY.......... ???


Lee - what do you say about this?


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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #262 on: May 07, 2007, 07:40:53 PM »
So Bob...here are your concerns:
1) I always care if the integrity of the IFBB is being followed, and If fair treatment is being given to our athletes...that's why I fight for the changes I have...difference is, I go through the proper channels and actually get things done.Talking louder and taking matters into your own hands has done nothing so far, except get BB dropped from the games and cost athletes a lot of money in the future

2) Funny...I didn't get a call from you, either. Why didn't you pick up the phone to alert your A rep of the happenings in Doha? You certainly knew before I did...

3) Now I know there are truly two sides, as you cant even recall the simplest of details...There were no less than 20 people that will verify that I did, in fact, turn to you AT LEAST three times...and tell you "Milos...I've got it..." Milos..hang on...", etc....

Who am I to tell you? I'm the athletes representative who was addressing the situation at hand with the head judge...I don't recall asking for your assistance. You ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me.

4) You're right...and often, things do not appear as they seem. That's why we have a justice system, or in this case...a process which should be followed, which you chose to ignore.



Here are my answers:


#1)

"difference is, I go through the proper channels and actually get things done"
- Let's focus on this statement for a moment Bob.

What things are you talking about?

Name a single one - that is actually requested BY THE ATHLETES...

Maybe - after countless meetings, putting everything in writing...and PROPER CHANNELS - you have accomplished to get us MORE COMPARISONS starting 2007...exactly with the Ironman. That is your ONLY accomplishment worth mentioning - but WHAT WAS A RESULT after all?

Result of your PROPER CHANNELING and SUCCESSFULLY accomplishing THE ONLY THING athletes actually ASK YOU TO DO...was...? ::)

We had EVEN LESS COMPARISONS than usual!? (or you would deny that?)

But, when we are at this subject - if you didn't notice (or still don't realize) - I WENT THERE TO SUPPORT YOU and give you a helping hand...
Your efforts to get us what we need, what we should have for years and what every IFBB pro desperately ask for (literally CRYING FOR) is: opportunity to compete...failed miserably - AGAIN, and again...and again...

I was only asking those judges to realize that having no comparisons means COMPLETE disrespect to many athletes who put their hearts and souls...and a last penny - into preparation for the contest...hoping to be allowed to COMPETE...
Any competitor who was compared repeatedly with numerous others - would have NO PROBLEM accepting "dead last place"...IF he was compared...but accepting ANY place without having the opportunity to fight for higher is TRAGIC.
I know - as I talk to so many of them...

So, after YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST EFFORTS...and doing it through proper channels...being politically correct - YOU MISERABLY FAILED AGAIN.

You didn't get us what you promised...and what supposedly JIM MANION TOLD YOU...(not any of us...as we simply were not there...)

THIS IS WHY - I have no problem saying what I am saying...and I absolutely meant NO HARM...to anyone...especially Sandy or any particular judge...

"My fault" was that I said: "Please judges - realize that you are NOT respecting these athletes by not allowing them to be compared.
You are NOT RESPECTING their efforts and inhuman sacrifices in preparation for this (or any other contest)...so PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.

And even if you are absolutely SURE about your placements - why would you think that few extra comparisons would not be a "good idea" for fans, magazines, photographers...and of course bodybuilders...and BODYBUILDING!

I was crucified for saying that...and actually "called out" for physical confrontation....Huh
Certainly - if I was raging and without control...things would have been much worse...but contrary what last Athletes rep (read even worse failure in that aspect...well - speaking of him it is enough to say - failure in EVERY aspect...) - I am always IN CONTROL!

To sum it up Bob...
I know your efforts...and we've seen your results.

Maybe we should ask the athletes this time around to really express what they want...and actually have their requests PUBLISHED so everyone would see them (speaking of the PROPER CHANELS Wink)


no problem....if you think you have the support of the athletes over me...run against me at the next election.Now - I do want to mention another important thing:

CHANGES that happened so far (first round especially) is something that athletes didn't ask for...just like request to stop judging the posing round.

many athletes ave requested change, and I agree with those changes...there is no disadvantage to being allowed to showcae your physique with mandatory poses AND optional poses...Here are just two examples to confirm what everyone is thinking when they post your picture as "Bob - the puppet".
Picture says it all...and unfortunately is Oh so accurate...

You even went into cocky explanation that regardless what I say - things will happen as you are suggesting (at the time it was: request to stop judging POSING ROUND..)


my "cocky" explanation was in response to you questioning my efforts...you're right...I will continue to make changes as I see fit, reguardless of whether you agree or not.

And only when I requested from you names and signatures of more than 50 % of the IFBB pros - you changed the story and decided to talk to me (should I say: compromise...)

I didn't change shit....I got almost 100% positive response when I brought up the idea at the last athletes meeting...if athletes are that concerned with what i'm putting out there on their behalf, maybe they should start attending meetings.

Well, that is my point...

As I am taking the flight in an hour - I can't finish what I started...but I promise I will...(as always - addressing each and every concern and question...)

I must say that you are absolutely MUCH better than Shawn in ability to answer every question as you are being asked...rather than selectively "filter" the questions you don't want to give your comments and answers to...(something Shawn does continuously...I wonder why?)


#2)

I didn't call you...as I find calling Rafael Santonja way more appropriate...
Besides Bob, I haven't seen NOTHING from your side that would make me think you are even remotely interested in helping the situation...

Do you understand WHAT am I fighting for in this Asian issue?

I fight for the ATHLETES...
All bodybuilders from Asia and the Middle East - as they don't have RIGHTS and CHANCE to win anything - due to disgusting practices of Mr. Paul Chua...

Also, I am being crucified for TRYING TO HELP THE ATHLETES...and sticking my neck out for them...and as your actions show - I didn't expect you would be interested to help me (as you are showing me now) - so I didn't bother calling..
#3)

"You ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me."

No, you ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me Bob.
Who do you think you are to tell me - ANYTHING?
To hang on...as you got it Roll Eyes...etc...etc...



Obviously if you did "got it"...we wouldn't even have that discussion...and as YOU DIDN'T - I was there to find out for myself...



4) Everything I do..I DO IT MY WAY...and will continue doing it...


Keep doing it "your way"....you just may be doing it in some other federation.

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« Reply #263 on: May 07, 2007, 07:53:26 PM »
has Milos been suspended?? shawn ray said the suspension would be hand delivered by himself april 29 at 9pm. if not, shawn looks pretty foolish again. it seems with every interaction between these two, Milos seems to gain support and shawn seems to gain more haters.

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #264 on: May 07, 2007, 09:43:47 PM »
Man Bob is looking worse and worse in this thread.  I hope he gave up.  It's embarrassing.  And Sean, well what can you say. 

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #265 on: May 07, 2007, 10:54:58 PM »
Rumour has it,after Milos's statement towards ABBF big man Mr.Chua....the Malaysian Bodybuilding Federation(MBBF) is to take the brunt now.It is said that MBBF will have to make a formal apology(made known worldwide) towards Mr.Chua and also pay a fine of usd5000 or face a 3 year ban simply because the local sporting body made a "blunder"  ::)? of engaging Milos's services where Milos later questioned the integrity of the whole judging system in Doha. ::).

Is this the way of the IFBB?Sounds like blackmail to me here!
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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #266 on: May 07, 2007, 11:14:31 PM »
Rumour has it,after Milos's statement towards ABBF big man Mr.Chua....the Malaysian Bodybuilding Federation(MBBF) is to take the brunt now.It is said that MBBF will have to make a formal apology(made known worldwide) towards Mr.Chua and also pay a fine of usd5000 or face a 3 year ban simply because the local sporting body made a "blunder"  ::)? of engaging Milos's services where Milos later questioned the integrity of the whole judging system in Doha. ::).

Is this the way of the IFBB?Sounds like blackmail to me here!
Bob Chick:Did you read this ?

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #267 on: May 08, 2007, 12:40:27 AM »
Rumour has it,after Milos's statement towards ABBF big man Mr.Chua....the Malaysian Bodybuilding Federation(MBBF) is to take the brunt now.It is said that MBBF will have to make a formal apology(made known worldwide) towards Mr.Chua and also pay a fine of usd5000 or face a 3 year ban simply because the local sporting body made a "blunder"  ::)? of engaging Milos's services where Milos later questioned the integrity of the whole judging system in Doha. ::).

Is this the way of the IFBB?Sounds like blackmail to me here!

Yep sounds about the way they do business.  And Chic hasn't been able to get ahold of Manion for an answer yet.  Give him a few moments.  The time difference you know.

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #268 on: May 08, 2007, 12:42:08 AM »


****no problem....if you think you have the support of the athletes over me...run against me at the next election.

+++Well, there is a problem…When is the NEXT ELECTION…and when exactly was the previous – which you obviously won… ;)




****many athletes ave requested change, and I agree with those changes...there is no disadvantage to being allowed to showcae your physique with mandatory poses AND optional poses..

+++ Many athletes?
You have a list?
After all if MANY have asked…and you need only MAJORITY (over 50%) I am sure it is not going to be to hard for you to mention couple of hundred professionals who requested the change…now is it? ::)
Well, how about only 50?
After all – can you produce 25?



****my "cocky" explanation was in response to you questioning my efforts...you're right...I will continue to make changes as I see fit, reguardless of whether you agree or not.

+++ Regardless of whether ANYONE agrees or not!
Your cockiness is obviously due to your “protected status from above”…as after all – you were appointed as athlete’s rep – not chosen by us…

Changes that you see fit?
How about changes MAJORITY of athletes see fit?





*****I didn't change shit....I got almost 100% positive response when I brought up the idea at the last athletes meeting...if athletes are that concerned with what i'm putting out there on their behalf, maybe they should start attending meetings.

+++You got almost 100% positive response when you brought up the idea at the last athletes meeting?
Let’s see: total of 6 athletes showed up and you had 4 agree with you….Hmmmmm, you are right – almost 100% agree with you…
Way to go Bob.

Do you know WHY athletes don’t give a shoe to attend your meeting?
They know better…



****Keep doing it "your way".... you just may be doing it in some other federation.

+++ I just may continue in the same federation…regardless of possible suspension…
I never worked AGAINST the federation but FOR…and that’s what I am doing now…and sooner or later people will realize it.



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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #269 on: May 08, 2007, 04:29:54 AM »
Bob Chick:Did you read this ?

So i guess there's no way someone from here can try and turn pro if MBBF gets banned from the IFBB huh?

PDI....here comes many participants from ASIA!!! LOL! ;D
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« Reply #270 on: May 08, 2007, 04:41:17 AM »
Milos, maybe you can give Shawn a job as janitor in your gym?

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« Reply #271 on: May 08, 2007, 05:09:19 AM »
Milos, maybe you can give Shawn a job as janitor in your gym?
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« Reply #272 on: May 08, 2007, 05:18:12 AM »
Seems to me being a janitor in Milos's gym would be some sort of community service that Shawn could serve for that bum rap he tried to get Milos charged with.

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« Reply #273 on: May 08, 2007, 06:42:38 AM »
Seems to me I didn't think this one through. With Shawn as janitor he might be tempted to burn some rubbish out back of the gym and leave it unattended! Sorry, Milos. ;D

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Re: Milos Sarcev responsible for bb being dropped in Asia?
« Reply #274 on: May 08, 2007, 06:58:07 AM »
Milos, maybe you can give Shawn a job as janitor in your gym?

Vince, an intelligent man like yourself would realize that Shawn is playing people like Milos for a fool.  He is obviously bored and frustrated and enjoys getting a rise out of people.

Maybe i am wrong.