God fearing people, we are about to lose the fight.

[vikingpower]

Bump for social evolution.

Gays and trannys > Christian bigots

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[egj13]

Are you sure about that?

You are being an alarmists.  Our country is one of the most religious country on the planet.  It will never happen.  Imagine in congress a bill banning the Bible?   

Let's put these things in the proper perspective without falling victim to alarmists propaganda.

No one is winning.  People are learning to get along without hate.  People are learning to live together and respect each other.   No one will tell you who to worship or how to live, just as you have no right to do the same so long as it doesn't trespass on another's freedom.




I for one, think the Hate crime thing is going too far.    But there are reasons for it.  What people need to do is grow up and stop hating so much.  When that happens we won't need laws like this.

the bill does cover preop trans sexuals

[OzmO]

the bill does cover preop trans sexuals

ok,  but what does it say?


If i call a person going through a sex change their former gender it's a hate crime?

[headhuntersix]

Again..why do we need more regulation..if I don't physically lynch u or beat the dog snot outa you...how is ita crime..it may be mean or uncalled for but to enact a law that will undoubably be used against somebody who it was not ment for. Some 10 year old calls a kid a fag in a lunch room is going to get sued.

[Dos Equis]

Again..why do we need more regulation..if I don't physically lynch u or beat the dog snot outa you...how is ita crime..it may be mean or uncalled for but to enact a law that will undoubably be used against somebody who it was not ment for. Some 10 year old calls a kid a fag in a lunch room is going to get sued.

You're right.  We don't need more regulation.  We already have laws on the books to deal the physical attacks, etc. 

[Eyeball Chambers]

You're right.  We don't need more regulation.  We already have laws on the books to deal the physical attacks, etc. 

[Camel Jockey]

Quote from: Methyl Mike on Today at 01:56:46 AM
That may be true but I don't feel I can raise kids here, I mean how do you keep them from being infected by popular culture? They get brainwashed in school, in public and when they go to college by professors. My only thought is to move to a more conservative state but I'm born and raised in california and I feel like that would be the same as running and not taking a stand you know? I feel like we're losing this generation and the trend will only continue. Raising a kid scares the shit out of me.

The price you pay for living in a free society.. 

Riase a smart enough kid who'll form his opinions and not form his/her personality from popular culture.

Have you even honestly dealt with gays? Most of them are nice people and do not try to convert others to their lifestyle and nor do they touch random men at will. 

[egj13]

ok,  but what does it say?


If i call a person going through a sex change their former gender it's a hate crime?

No, speach is covered under the 1st amendment. If you beat a tranny because they are a tranny, that would be a hate crime

[headhuntersix]

The price you pay for living in a free society.. 

Riase a smart enough kid who'll form his opinions and not form his/her personality from popular culture.

Have you even honestly dealt with gays? Most of them are nice people and do not try to convert others to their lifestyle and nor do they touch random men at will. 

Dude..again its not the  "most its the small group that ruins it for everybody. Everybody thinks about the extremes when we think of minority groups...except for muslims...not enough of the nice guys coming forward.....but most gays wanna do their thing and blend into society.

[Dos Equis]

No, speach is covered under the 1st amendment. If you beat a tranny because they are a tranny, that would be a hate crime

If you beat a tranny because they are a tranny that's an assault, which will land you in jail.

[egj13]

If you beat a tranny because they are a tranny that's an assault, which will land you in jail.

not if the law passes

[GroinkTropin]

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Sheep? Did you say the word sheep in my thread? Sheep are people who hear a fucking politician tell them the sky is falling and run out and buy a prius because they think they have to, yet don't bother reading the fine print about it being really shitty for the environment and a bad investment. Sheep run around crying impeach bush when they should know that it will not happen, but they do it anyway because the other idiots are. Sheep think being gay is ok and should be tolerated because the other sheep do, rather than realize it is a sin and disgusting to boot. What next legalize heroin and let some pedophiles out of prison because, well, here in the year 2020 we aren't as ignorant to the needs of a few as we used to be. Lets all just do what feels good, and not tell each other whats right or wrong, moral or immoral. Get aids.

[gcb]

Sheep? Did you say the word sheep in my thread? Sheep are people who hear a fucking politician tell them the sky is falling and run out and buy a prius because they think they have to, yet don't bother reading the fine print about it being really shitty for the environment and a bad investment. Sheep run around crying impeach bush when they should know that it will not happen, but they do it anyway because the other idiots are. Sheep think being gay is ok and should be tolerated because the other sheep do, rather than realize it is a sin and disgusting to boot. What next legalize heroin and let some pedophiles out of prison because, well, here in the year 2020 we aren't as ignorant to the needs of a few as we used to be. Lets all just do what feels good, and not tell each other whats right or wrong, moral or immoral. Get aids.

You need to get a grip man because you really are a sheep. Get a gay friend and see if you feel the same way then.

[GroinkTropin]

You need to get a grip man because you really are a sheep. Get a gay friend and see if you feel the same way then.

I have a gay friend and I treat him with a lot of respect. He used to be straight, and to be honest I think he likes being gay more for the attention and the "anything goes" lifestyle he lives. That said he's a good person, I won't lie and if you think I am a sheep, I challenge you to prove it. Just a little proof or one example of me parroting something I heard from some right wing source is all I ask.

[24KT]

The price you pay for living in a free society.. 

Riase a smart enough kid who'll form his opinions and not form his/her personality from popular culture.

He doesn't even have to go that far, ...if he really wants to prevent his son from turning gay,
...all he really needs to do is to pound a few square pegs into holes, ...take a shower with his kid. 

Have you even honestly dealt with gays? Most of them are nice people and do not try to convert others to their lifestyle and nor do they touch random men at will. 

Wish the same can be said about some evangelical christians. 

I have one friend who sent me at least 9 or 10 "Christian" books (unsolicited) approx 400 pages each,
...and he wonders why I haven't read them.    A few days ago... he faxed me 3 pages of bible verses. 

And when I say Bible verses, ...I'm not refering to the full verses, I'm talking about a long list of quote references.
ie:

• Ekzekiel 21:4
• Chronicles 5:3
• 1^st Corinthians 89:5
• etc., etc., etc....

THREE BLOODY PAGES!!!

If he thinks I'm about to sit there with a bible in hand to look them all up to see what the verses says,
...he must be off his meds. There oughtta be legislation to protect people from proselityzing.

[24KT]

I have a gay friend and I treat him with a lot of respect. He used to be straight, and to be honest I think he likes being gay more for the attention and the "anything goes" lifestyle he lives. That said he's a good person, I won't lie and if you think I am a sheep, I challenge you to prove it. Just a little proof or one example of me parroting something I heard from some right wing source is all I ask.

Coming right up:  see below

There is a bill about to pass which would give gays and transgenders essentially the same protection blacks and other receive against hate crimes. Essentially, if you call a person a fag or refuse to acknowledge that a person born a man who dresses in womens clothing is apparently now a woman, it can be considered a hate crime. I hope you all know what's coming next, banning of the Bible, because it preaches hate towards homosexuals. It will be talked about like some kind of KKK hate book, as if being disgusted at these freaks in society and having morals is wrong in some way. Democrats are pushing this bill rather quickly, and if it does in fact pass, the Bible is next and it's hard enough to get people to listen to you talking about faith and religion as it is, this will just make things worse, much worse. WHY ARE THEY WINNING? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD I know it gets talked about in the bible but DAMN it really sucks to watch it happen in front of your face like this. And for yet another slap in the face, an episcopalian church has a GAY pastor? Who is sanctifying MOCK MARRIAGE? I refuse to acknowledge such an abomination in the more popular term, but mock marriage is clearly showing we as a society are heading in the wrong direction FAST. With all this going on, does anyone else here fear a democrat taking office? I feel a little safer knowing a conservative is at least making a small effort to preserve this country, but I can only pray and vote that a conservative takes office after bush, I am actually scared of how dark a direction this country could turn in the next 8 years.

[OzmO]

Is there a difference in being a alarmist or a sheep?

Yes.  He's not being a sheep.  He's being an alarmists.  He can;t handle the "live and let live" way of life and believes i think, that a "gay" lifestyle is somehow contagious to heterosexuals.

[egj13]

Is there a difference in being a alarmist or a sheep?

Yes.  He's not being a sheep.  He's being an alarmists.  He can;t handle the "live and let live" way of life and believes i think, that a "gay" lifestyle is somehow contagious to heterosexuals.

I don't think that he believes that it is "contagious". If he feels like me he believes that more acceptance will encourage more people to resist the temptation to abstain from it.

[OzmO]

I don't think that he believes that it is "contagious". If he feels like me he believes that more acceptance will encourage more people to resist the temptation to abstain from it.

OK,  now that's a good point to talk about:

Abstaining from something is a temptation?   

Or are you saying that more acceptance will tempt people into choosing that kind of lifestyle?

[egj13]

OK,  now that's a good point to talk about:

Abstaining from something is a temptation?   

Or are you saying that more acceptance will tempt people into choosing that kind of lifestyle?

if you are looking at it from a religious aspect, then homosexuality is a sin. Sin is put on earth to tempt people, in earlier years people tried harder to resist the temptation because of the lack of acceptance in society. In today's society where acceptance is growing, people give into temptation easier. Similiar to divorce, it is looked at as normal today, so people divorce at the drop of a hat.

[OzmO]

if you are looking at it from a religious aspect, then homosexuality is a sin. Sin is put on earth to tempt people, in earlier years people tried harder to resist the temptation because of the lack of acceptance in society. In today's society where acceptance is growing, people give into temptation easier. Similiar to divorce, it is looked at as normal today, so people divorce at the drop of a hat.

Well yes, in a religious view, there is a temptation to sin.  But are all sins attractive?  I doubt it.

The question is why would someone be tempted to do something that repulses them?

[egj13]

Well yes, in a religious view, there is a temptation to sin.  But are all sins attractive?  I doubt it.

The question is why would someone be tempted to do something that repulses them?

See that is where the argument turns sour. You assume that everyone will be tempted because it is accepted, if it truly repulses them then they shouldn't be tempted. But say 40% of the population is tempted, christians want those people to resist temptation even if the only reason they resist is peer pressure. I think adultery has picked up in recent years because it often is looked at as no big deal.

[OzmO]

See that is where the argument turns sour. You assume that everyone will be tempted because it is accepted, if it truly repulses them then they shouldn't be tempted. But say 40% of the population is tempted, christians want those people to resist temptation even if the only reason they resist is peer pressure. I think adultery has picked up in recent years because it often is looked at as no big deal.

I agree with you about divorce and adultery.   

I don;t assume everyone will be tempted because it's accepted.  I assume that because it's accepted people will be more willing to treat each other with respect and refrain from judgment, discrimination and hate crimes.

I don't think making the homosexual lifestyle acceptable will encourage heterosexuals to become homosexuals.   And when i see people freak out about it's display, or presentation in TV shows or in culture or media i wonder why they are so against it.

Do they think it will make more poeple homosexuals? 

Becuase by that logic showing murder on TV would make more murderers.

[The Enigma]

There is a bill about to pass which would give gays and transgenders essentially the same protection blacks and other receive against hate crimes. Essentially, if you call a person a fag or refuse to acknowledge that a person born a man who dresses in womens clothing is apparently now a woman, it can be considered a hate crime.
            

MM is a prime example of an extreme "Repug". Most republicans like myself would NEVER associate ourselves with rightwing lugnuts like MM. People like this need mental health therapy IMHO.

[egj13]

I agree with you about divorce and adultery.   

I don;t assume everyone will be tempted because it's accepted.  I assume that because it's accepted people will be more willing to treat each other with respect and refrain from judgment, discrimination and hate crimes.

I don't think making the homosexual lifestyle acceptable will encourage heterosexuals to become homosexuals.   And when i see people freak out about it's display, or presentation in TV shows or in culture or media i wonder why they are so against it.

Do they think it will make more poeple homosexuals? 

Becuase by that logic showing murder on TV would make more murderers.

Do you think that the number of young females that are now "bi" has risen? Murder is a different game because people do refrain because of the consequences.