Author Topic: IFBB ethical/moral Code Of Conduct? (Read 12062 times)

christinafitness · « **Reply #75 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:21:34 AM »

I am not sure which fact I got wrong.
There is the misconception in the US, that IFBB is "professional" only, which is not the case.

Chick · « **Reply #76 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:24:05 AM »

Quote from: christinafitness on May 24, 2007, 06:35:43 PM

there are so many athletes that do the Musclemania AND the NPC, but the IFBB never cares... but PDI, ....

Well...here is her first post on the subject.

She is asking why the IFBB doesn't care...MY point is that they wouldn't care, as it's a NPC matter.

The PDI is portrayed as a PROFESSIONAL organization, hence the IFBB will enforce it's rules which clearly state that you cannot compete for a rival federation.

The IFBB doesn't (and naver have) gotten involved in NPC matters, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.

The NPC doesn't (and never have) gotten involved in IFBB matters, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.

Chick · « **Reply #77 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:26:59 AM »

Quote from: christinafitness on May 25, 2007, 09:21:34 AM

I am not sure which fact I got wrong.
There is the misconception in the US, that IFBB is "professional" only, which is not the case.

You know why that is?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO IFBB AMATEUR IN THE U.S.

The Coach · « **Reply #78 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:37:22 AM »

Quote from: Chick on May 25, 2007, 09:24:05 AM

Well...here is her first post on the subject.

She is asking why the IFBB doesn't care...MY point is that they wouldn't care, as it's a NPC matter.

The PDI is portrayed as a PROFESSIONAL organization, hence the IFBB will enforce it's rules which clearly state that you cannot compete for a rival federation.

The IFBB doesn't (and naver have) gotten involved in NPC matters, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.

The NPC doesn't (and never have) gotten involved in IFBB matters, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.

Amazing you defend the right to suspend someone because they went to a different orgnization but you choose not to enforce the other "rules"

christinafitness · « **Reply #79 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:39:29 AM »

If the IFBB has no amateurs in the US, who goes to the IFBB World Championships?
And if the IFBB has no amateurs in the US, who goes the the "North Americans", which is an IFBB amateur contest.

timfogarty · « **Reply #80 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:40:03 AM »

Quote from: Chick on May 25, 2007, 09:26:59 AM

You know why that is?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO IFBB AMATEUR IN THE U.S.

then there is no IFBB amateur in Canada, there is the CBBF, and no IFBB amateur in the UK, there is the UKBBF. which means there is no amateur IFBB in any country, and the IFBB is only the organization that runs the international events.

But the website says "The IFBB is a democratic federation, currently comprised of 176 National Federations."

The NPC is the US national organization of the IFBB (although it is not a federation).

If a CBBF athlete is a member of the IFBB, then an NPC athlete is a member of the IFBB.

Chick · « **Reply #81 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:45:30 AM »

Quote from: christinafitness on May 25, 2007, 09:39:29 AM

If the IFBB has no amateurs in the US, who goes to the IFBB World Championships?
And if the IFBB has no amateurs in the US, who goes the the "North Americans", which is an IFBB amateur contest.

A team comprised of winners from the NPC Team Universe.

Members of the NPC. It's only "IFBB" in that it is comprised of Canada, mexico, and the U.S. Since the NPC's only jurisdiction is in the United States.

Chick · « **Reply #82 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:47:25 AM »

Quote from: The Coach on May 25, 2007, 09:37:22 AM

Amazing you defend the right to suspend someone because they went to a different orgnization but you choose not to enforce the other "rules"

Amazing that *I* don't defend anything...*I* don't "enforce" rules...as it clrearly states...THE IFBB. I don't own the federation...

timfogarty · « **Reply #83 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:50:11 AM »

Quote from: Chick on May 25, 2007, 09:47:25 AM

Amazing that *I* don't defend anything...

you're always defending the way things are in the IFBB

Quote

I don't own the federation...

you're just their official spokesman, whether you meant to be or not

Chick · « **Reply #84 on:** May 25, 2007, 09:54:59 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on May 25, 2007, 09:50:11 AM

you're always defending the way things are in the IFBB

you're just their official spokesman, whether you meant to be or not

I explain them...there is a difference. If I agreed with everything...I wouldn't make the changes I have, or tried to form a union a few years ago.

The Coach · « **Reply #85 on:** May 25, 2007, 10:00:18 AM »

Quote from: Chick on May 25, 2007, 09:47:25 AM

Amazing that *I* don't defend anything...*I* don't "enforce" rules...as it clrearly states...THE IFBB. I don't own the federation...

You "defended" the IFBB as to their suspending Lee for going to a different organization, and yes, you do defend the rules!

knny187 · « **Reply #86 on:** May 25, 2007, 10:09:55 AM »

Quote from: Chick on May 25, 2007, 09:54:59 AM

I explain them...there is a difference. If I agreed with everything...I wouldn't make the changes I have, or tried to form a union a few years ago.

It's funny....that no one realizes that.

I think it's because no one ever asks you Bob where you disagree on matters. They just automatically assume you support every endeavor with the IFBB...

& you know what happens when you automatically assume

CRIS · « **Reply #87 on:** May 25, 2007, 12:48:16 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 25, 2007, 09:45:30 AM

A team comprised of winners from the NPC Team Universe.

Members of the NPC. It's only "IFBB" in that it is comprised of Canada, mexico, and the U.S. Since the NPC's only jurisdiction is in the United States.

Do your search and find out how Ronnie Coleman won his por status.

Hint: it wasn't by winning any NPC national show!!! And he's american, for the best of my knowledge

!!

It's never too late to take your foot outta your mouth, Chicky boy!!

onlyme · « **Reply #88 on:** May 25, 2007, 02:16:45 PM »

Who is in charge of the NPC now?

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #89 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:07:39 PM »

Quote from: christinafitness on May 25, 2007, 09:39:29 AM

If the IFBB has no amateurs in the US, who goes to the IFBB World Championships?
And if the IFBB has no amateurs in the US, who goes the the "North Americans", which is an IFBB amateur contest.

YEAH BOB GO ASK JIM THAT WE WILL WAIT

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #90 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:09:41 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on May 25, 2007, 02:16:45 PM

Who is in charge of the NPC now?

SAME GUY WHO RUNS THE IFBB.....THAT THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED

dearth · « **Reply #91 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:13:31 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 25, 2007, 09:54:59 AM

I explain them...there is a difference. If I agreed with everything...I wouldn't make the changes I have, or tried to form a union a few years ago.

After your failed attempt at a union, it is quite obvious that you found out being an IFBB spokeperson is to your benefit
and hence your actions and words reflect that.

dearth · « **Reply #92 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:18:25 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 24, 2007, 11:35:04 AM

The code is just that..a code, a eference, a guideline...there is a reason they are seperate from the rules.
Athletes are held accountable on a individual basis...case by case, and depending on the severity of the infraction, or number of occurances, they may be issed a verbal warning, a written warning, etc...

Chick, has every pro been given a written warning not to use drugs?

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #93 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:29:50 PM »

Quote from: dearth on May 25, 2007, 05:18:25 PM

Chick, has every pro been given a written warning not to use drugs?

I CAN ANSWER THAT NO.......WE NEVER HAVE BEEN.......

onlyme · « **Reply #94 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:33:59 PM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on May 25, 2007, 05:09:41 PM

SAME GUY WHO RUNS THE IFBB.....THAT THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED

Thats what I thought. How can Chic possibly say their is no connection between the NPC and IFBB. These people practice "conflict of interest" as a regular everyday thing.

onlyme · « **Reply #95 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:36:55 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 24, 2007, 09:32:49 PM

Not quite sure whats so hard to understand...

The "pro league" is a division of the IFBB, as is the IFBB amateur, and other affiliates around the world...

The NPC is a totally seperate entity with different rules, different officers...they are affiliated as the NPC is the ONLY amateur org. in the U.S. that the IFBB recognizes.

Who is Jim Manion and what is is title. Just wondering since they are two separate entities in the same industry, why isn't he suspended. Do you see a conflict here or not.

Vince B · « **Reply #96 on:** May 25, 2007, 06:01:58 PM »

Howdy, folks! You know who this is here. It's Vince Goodrum, CSN MFT! ....

Oops, wrong thread. Bob should do stand up comedy. He is a natural straight guy and certified stooge. The moral issues here sure make funny copy. Keep it up!

Chick · « **Reply #97 on:** May 25, 2007, 06:23:11 PM »

Quote from: CRIS on May 25, 2007, 12:48:16 PM

Do your search and find out how Ronnie Coleman won his por status.

Hint: it wasn't by winning any NPC national show!!! And he's american, for the best of my knowledge !!

It's never too late to take your foot outta your mouth, Chicky boy!!

Goddam you're an idiot....

Ronnie was chosen to represent the U.S. for the HW division at the World championships, he won his class, thus making him a pro.

No one said an American couldn't win the worlds...

putz.

Chick · « **Reply #98 on:** May 25, 2007, 06:26:24 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on May 25, 2007, 05:33:59 PM

Thats what I thought. How can Chic possibly say their is no connection between the NPC and IFBB. These people practice "conflict of interest" as a regular everyday thing.

Do you even bother to read?

I never said there was "no connection" between the two...I said just the opposite actually.

I said they are two different businesses, they have an affiliation as the NPC is the U.S. Amateur "farm club" to the IFBB pro league.

Anything else you wish to be corrected on today?

timfogarty · « **Reply #99 on:** May 25, 2007, 06:36:50 PM »

Quote from: Chick on May 25, 2007, 06:26:24 PM

I said they are two different businesses, they have an affiliation as the NPC is the U.S. Amateur "farm club" to the IFBB pro league.

The IFBB pro league is just a subdivision of the IFBB. What is the relationship between the amateur IFBB and the amateur NPC? The later is a member of the former. Members of the NPC are also members of the amateur IFBB