Tony Perkins (FRC) on the NH Civil Union Law

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

I don't know Ozmo.  I think nicotine has a far greater impact on society than heroin and crank.  Just look at the number of people it kills every year and the enormous burden it places on the healthcare system. 

Exactly- nicotine kills more people in this country than all other drug addictions combined, plus AIDS.

[militarymuscle69]

Actually, heroin addiction is much safer and more manageable than either meth or alcohol.  Most heroin-related problems stem from its impurity and illegality, not the drug itself.  Also, you're making the typical mistake of blaming the drug itself for the relationship that the person develops with it.  Drugs don't "turn people into demons who will kill for the next fix."  That's what they said about marijuana in the 1930s, too.

God save me but LSD seems to share my opinion of drugs, it isn't the drugs fault it is the weak willed person that can't say no and abuses the drug. Same as it is the weak willed man that gives into temptation and sucks dick

[OzmO]

God save me but LSD seems to share my opinion of drugs, it isn't the drugs fault it is the weak willed person that can't say no and abuses the drug. Same as it is the weak willed man that gives into temptation and sucks dick

How could someone be tempted to do something they don't enjoy; they don't gain pleasure from?   I don't get it.

[militarymuscle69]

How could someone be tempted to do something they don't enjoy; they don't gain pleasure from?   I don't get it.

hold on I'm trying to figure out what you are saying.....so a guy is attracted to dick....but doesn't enjoy it...but remains gay? why couldn't they try to find something they do enjoy...like a woman?

Maybe that isn't what you were getting at..

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

How could someone be tempted to do something they don't enjoy; they don't gain pleasure from?   I don't get it.

It's apparent that you don't get it.  Every time a person takes a drug they do it because of the expectation that they have in the moment that it will be in some way beneficial.  The expectation may involve wanting to feel good or not wanting to feel what they are currently feeling (anxiety, depression, hopelessness, loneliness, withdrawal symptoms, etc.)  Addictive behavior is always chosen behavior.

[Decker]

Looks like it's catching on.  Even with a majority of Americans against gay marriage it looks like it's finding a way to be legal.   It seems that when it comes to civil rights, the majority doesn't count.

A great thing about our constitution is the preservation of the minority and minority rights.

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

God save me but LSD seems to share my opinion of drugs, it isn't the drugs fault it is the weak willed person that can't say no and abuses the drug. Same as it is the weak willed man that gives into temptation and sucks dick

An unholy alliance.  


But you're wrong about sexual orientation being similar.

[OzmO]

It's apparent that you don't get it.  Every time a person takes a drug they do it because of the expectation that they have in the moment that it will be in some way beneficial.  The expectation may involve wanting to feel good or not wanting to feel what they are currently feeling (anxiety, depression, hopelessness, loneliness, withdrawal symptoms, etc.)  Addictive behavior is always chosen behavior.

I wasn't talking about drugs in that statement i was talking talking about homosexuality.   I think i get why people do drugs.  I just don't see why a person would be tempted to do something that's repulsive to them, unless they had a predisposition to it that made it pleasurable in the case of homosexuality..

[OzmO]

hold on I'm trying to figure out what you are saying.....so a guy is attracted to dick....but doesn't enjoy it...but remains gay? why couldn't they try to find something they do enjoy...like a woman?

Maybe that isn't what you were getting at..

I was responding to this:

Same as it is the weak willed man that gives into temptation and sucks dick

I don't see sucking dick as a temptation.   Why?  because I'm straight.  If i wasn't straight i see it as something to be tempted by.   

People either do things to avoid pain or gain pleasure.  so if you are tempted by something you are looking to gain pleasure.   That weak will man was tempted because he likes it.  He likes it becuase he has a predisposition to it.  A straight man doesn't and therefore isn't tempted.

[militarymuscle69]

I was responding to this:

I don't see sucking dick as a temptation.   Why?  because I'm straight.  If i wasn't straight i see it as something to be tempted by.   

People either do things to avoid pain or gain pleasure.  so if you are tempted by something you are looking to gain pleasure.   That weak will man was tempted because he likes it.  He likes it becuase he has a predisposition to it.  A straight man doesn't and therefore isn't tempted.

I'm seeing where you are coming from but I see it this way....unlike many I believe in bi-sexuality, but I also think it is a choice....I don't think sexual attraction is limited to the opposite sex, just like women can look at a woman and think "damn she has a great body" yet never act on it, and men can do the same "that is a good looking guy" and it happens every day. Look, I think that there could be people born with wires crossed and they are "a man in a woman's body" I believe the mojority however "experiment" because they can't resist the temptation....

[Laughing Sam's Dice]

Is there something you want to tell us MM69? 

[Decker]

I like broads and lots of 'em.  Ask my wife.

[Dos Equis]

A great thing about our constitution is the preservation of the minority and minority rights.

Except for lifestyle choices, which are governed by majority rule. 

[OzmO]

I'm seeing where you are coming from but I see it this way....unlike many I believe in bi-sexuality, but I also think it is a choice....I don't think sexual attraction is limited to the opposite sex, just like women can look at a woman and think "damn she has a great body" yet never act on it, and men can do the same "that is a good looking guy" and it happens every day. Look, I think that there could be people born with wires crossed and they are "a man in a woman's body" I believe the mojority however "experiment" because they can't resist the temptation....

I hear ya MM69.  However, it's one thing to look at a guy a say:  "that's a good looking guy" and another thing to want to blow him.

[OzmO]

Except for lifestyle choices, which are governed by majority rule. 

I agree only if there isn't direct victims.  Gay lifestyles don't breed direct victims.  Pedophilia does.

[Dos Equis]

I agree only if there isn't direct victims.  Gay lifestyles don't breed direct victims.  Pedophilia does.

I'm drawing a distinction between fundamental rights and lifestyle choices.  Fundamental rights are subject to majority rule, but only if you amend the Constitution.  Lifestyle choices can be regulated without amending the Constitution. 

Pedophilia is a crime. 

[militarymuscle69]

Is there something you want to tell us MM69? 

Can I look at a man and think he is good looking? sure....but I don't like the pain when I take a large shit much less anything else....

OzmO...I agree with you...We have talked here about the loss of masculinity in men....I guarantee that in the 30s 40s 50s 60s there were guys that thought about blowing a dude but resisted the temptation because of public pressure. So they were tempted but resisted....today's society allows people to give into temptation...Like my first marriage...I am fiend for women, I mean horrible...and in my first marriage I didn't resist temptation because hell everyone does it right? I was weak then.....thank god I learned lessons and am now in an amazing marriage.....Homosexuali ty isn't the only temptation that has become acceptable

[militarymuscle69]

I'm drawing a distinction between fundamental rights and lifestyle choices.  Fundamental rights are subject to majority rule, but only if you amend the Constitution.  Lifestyle choices can be regulated without amending the Constitution. 

Pedophilia is a crime. 

I heard a great line the other day...the founding fathers guaranteed life, libertry and the pursuitof happiness. They never said you were entitiled to happiness. I feel groups can pursue it all they want but if majority says to bad....then suck it up

[Dos Equis]

I heard a great line the other day...the founding fathers guaranteed life, libertry and the pursuitof happiness. They never said you were entitiled to happiness. I feel groups can pursue it all they want but if majority says to bad....then suck it up

True. 

[Decker]

Except for lifestyle choices, which are governed by majority rule. 

I would tend to agree with you that herd mentality does govern the masses regarding morality.

[Dos Equis]

I would tend to agree with you that herd mentality does govern the masses regarding morality.

Homosexuality and all of its variations are lifestyle choices.  Majority rules.  I think the majority will eventually legalize homosexual marriage, redefine gender (which we've already done in Hawaii), etc.  It's just a matter of time. 

[militarymuscle69]

Homosexuality and all of its variations are lifestyle choices.  Majority rules.  I think the majority will eventually legalize homosexual marriage, redefine gender (which we've already done in Hawaii), etc.  It's just a matter of time. 

This place is rocking today! I can't get any work done!! Your tax dollars hard at work peeps!!

$39 an hour...not bad

[Decker]

Homosexuality and all of its variations are lifestyle choices.  Majority rules.  I think the majority will eventually legalize homosexual marriage, redefine gender (which we've already done in Hawaii), etc.  It's just a matter of time. 

It is the herd my friend.

[Dos Equis]

It is the herd my friend.

What's the herd?  The fact that liberals and conservatives from coast to coast vote the same way on an issue?  Sounds more like conviction to me. 

[Decker]

What's the herd?  The fact that liberals and conservatives from coast to coast vote the same way on an issue?  Sounds more like conviction to me. 

The herd is full of conviction but conviction is more dangerous to truth than lies. 

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.

Morality is herd instinct in the individual.

That's some of my favorite thinking from Nietzsche:  Herd morality.  There are those that think and are great because of it and those that live in superstition or in the confines of tradition.

Members of the herd (or unwashed masses) are not capable of profound or insightful thoughts and thus follow the lead of the other members of the herd.