Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison

[Decker]

Then who did it? 

That will be determined.  It's hard to make that determination when material witnesses are lying to the cops. 

That's why Libby went down.

[The Enigma]

So who outed a covert CIA agent, besides Novak who didn't know she was "covert"?  I see a lot of smoke, but no fire. 

Sounds like you followed the trial........25%er.  

[Straw Man]

That will be determined.  It's hard to make that determination when material witnesses are lying to the cops. 

That's why Libby went down.

Fitzgerald's metaphor of throwing sand in the umpires face comes to mind

[Dos Equis]

That will be determined.  It's hard to make that determination when material witnesses are lying to the cops. 

That's why Libby went down.

I'll be holding my breath. . . .  I think if they had the goods on someone they would have offered immunity to Libby and dropped the hammer by now.

[Dos Equis]

Sounds like you followed the trial........25%er.  

Ah who asked you Grumpy Old Man?  Another insightful comment.   

[Decker]

I'll be holding my breath. . . .  I think if they had the goods on someone they would have offered immunity to Libby and dropped the hammer by now.

Immunity?  Flipping for a two and half year sentence? 

Not much incentive if you ask me.

Anyways, in cases like these, sweep up the garbage emanating from the hub before you go to the heart.

[Straw Man]

This is kind of reminds me of the OJ trial.  

At this point we all pretty much know what happened but the crook(s) are just going to get off

[Dos Equis]

Immunity?  Flipping for a two and half year sentence? 

Not much incentive if you ask me.

Anyways, in cases like these, sweep up the garbage emanating from the hub before you go to the heart.

He was facing a lot more than 30 months when they charged him. 

[Decker]

This is kind of reminds me of the OJ trial.  

At this point we all pretty much know what happened but the crook(s) are just going to get off

I get that same feeling.  Let's hope Fitzgerald has something to hang his hat on.

It pisses me off that, for all the talk about protecting this country from terrorists, a Bush official ruined the career of a US agent that goes after terrorists and WMDs.

Shows you where the administration's heart is.

[Dos Equis]

This is kind of reminds me of the OJ trial.  

At this point we all pretty much know what happened but the crook(s) are just going to get off

Doesn't remind me of the OJ trial at all.  We know OJ did it.  There is solid evidence showing he did it.  We don't have that here.  I've asked numerous times in this thread who outed a covert agent.  Nobody seems to know.  

[Decker]

He was facing a lot more than 30 months when they charged him. 

Yeah, but speculation is speculation.

[Straw Man]

I get that same feeling.  Let's hope Fitzgerald has something to hang his hat on.

It pisses me off that, for all the talk about protecting this country from terrorists, a Bush official ruined the career of a US agent that goes after terrorists and WMDs.

Shows you where the administration's heart is.

I'm pretty sure this won't go any further.
 

[The Coach]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17479718/

Jurors convict Libby on four of five charges
Cheney’s ex-aide faces jail time in CIA leak case; sentencing set for June

You see conspiracy where none exists. 

The date of sentencing was chosen at the reading of the verdict.  Standard stuff.

Yeah, I know, but the sentencing was TODAY, the judge could have gave him as little as probation as opposed to the 30 month sentence, funny, a Democrat gets caught for stuffing classified documents in his underware and gets off with a slap on the wrist and Libby get's sentenced to 30 months for a crime that was never proven......ONE DAY after William Jefferson was indited......yes, I see a real conspiracy and double standard!!

[Dos Equis]

Yeah, but speculation is speculation.

If we're evaluating whether or not they would/should have offered immunity, you have to look at the max punishment he was facing.

[Straw Man]

Doesn't remind me of the OJ trial at all.  We know OJ did it.  There is solid evidence showing he did it.  We don't have that here.  I've asked numerous times in this thread who outed a covert agent.  Nobody seems to know.  

really, how do you know.   A jury of his peers seemed to think there was reasonable doubt.

Then again - I know that Cheney/Bush wanted to go to war and knew they were using phony "evidence" in the guy documents.   When confronted with Wilsons' editorial, Cheney decided he was going to attempt to destroy Wilson's credibility by outing his wife who has now been proven to have been a covert agent for the CIA.   In doing so I know that they committed treason but like OJ they will get off and be photographed playing golf until they drop dead of natural causes (in Cheney's case I hope that it's long and painful form of cancer)

[The Enigma]

Libby shoud be hung for treason IMHO.

[Decker]

Doesn't remind me of the OJ trial at all.  We know OJ did it.  There is solid evidence showing he did it.  We don't have that here.  I've asked numerous times in this thread who outed a covert agent.  Nobody seems to know.  

That is being determined. 

Fact:  Plame was outed days after an op-ed piece appeared in a national newspaper by J. Wilson highly critical of the president's claims in the SOTU speech regarding a case for war.

Who had the most to gain by threatening Wilson's wife?  Who was jonesing for an Iraq invasion?

[The Coach]

Libby shoud be hung for treason IMHO.

On something that was never proven? Sandy Burgler stole classified docs and that WAS proven......now that could be considered treason!

[Decker]

If we're evaluating whether or not they would/should have offered immunity, you have to look at the max punishment he was facing.

No you don't.  You look at the deal you can cut.  Reduced charge or reduced sentence.  It is possible the court denied any plea bargaining.

[Decker]

Yeah, I know, but the sentencing was TODAY, the judge could have gave him as little as probation as opposed to the 30 month sentence, funny, a Democrat gets caught for stuffing classified documents in his underware and gets off with a slap on the wrist and Libby get's sentenced to 30 months for a crime that was never proven......ONE DAY after William Jefferson was indited......yes, I see a real conspiracy and double standard!!

Shit, I haven't heard such crying since my nephew was born.

It was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby broke the law and is now a felon.

[Straw Man]

Looking back on all this I bet Cheney wishes he had just ignored the Wilson editorial

The guy documents have been proven to be phony and it hasn't changed anything

We've gone to war and there's no end in sight (six days, six weeks, I doubt six months my ass)

I'm sure we'll still be in Iraq by the time Libby gets out of jail

We've recently said we're staying in Iraq forever (aka the  "Korea Model" except Iraq is nothing like Korea)

It's time to put this war in the regular budget so we can see what it's really costing us.

[w8tlftr]

Isn't perjury a crime?

Then why didn't Clinton serve time in prison?

Come on, Oz, this is a political witch hunt.

[Dos Equis]

really, how do you know.   A jury of his peers seemed to think there was reasonable doubt.

Then again - I know that Cheney/Bush wanted to go to war and knew they were using phony "evidence" in the guy documents.   When confronted with Wilsons' editorial, Cheney decided he was going to attempt to destroy Wilson's credibility by outing his wife who has now been proven to have been a covert agent for the CIA.   In doing so I know that they committed treason but like OJ they will get off and be photographed playing golf until they drop dead of natural causes (in Cheney's case I hope that it's long and painful form of cancer)

How do I know OJ did it?  Because I watched the entire trial and reached my own conclusion.  The Bruno Magli shoe print convinced me (before the civil trial).  Plus a civil jury found him liable. 

[Dos Equis]

That is being determined. 

Fact:  Plame was outed days after an op-ed piece appeared in a national newspaper by J. Wilson highly critical of the president's claims in the SOTU speech regarding a case for war.

Who had the most to gain by threatening Wilson's wife?  Who was jonesing for an Iraq invasion?

In other words, we have no clue who allegedly outed a covert agent. 

[The Enigma]

On something that was never proven? Sandy Burgler stole classified docs and that WAS proven......now that could be considered treason!

S. Berger  should've gone to prison as well.