Libby sentenced to 30 months in prison

[Straw Man]

How do I know OJ did it?  Because I watched the entire trial and reached my own conclusion.  The Bruno Magli shoe print convinced me (before the civil trial).  Plus a civil jury found him liable. 

yep, OJ is guilty

and we all know that Cheney instructed Libby to out Plame in retaliation for Wilsons editorial which cast doubt on the (now proven bogus) claim that Saddam was attempting to buy yellow cake uranium from guy

we also know that Plame was in fact a covert operative at the time she was "outed"

Fitzgerald appears to have determined that he can't prove any of this in a court because Libby played the "good soldier" and took the fall. 

Par for the course for the Bush Crime Family

Loyalty to the Family comes before loyalty to your country

[Dos Equis]

yep, OJ is guilty

and we all know that Cheney instructed Libby to out Plame in retaliation for Wilsons editorial which cast doubt on the (now proven bogus) claim that Saddam was attempting to buy yellow cake uranium from guy

we also know that Plame was in fact a covert operative at the time she was "outed"

Fitzgerald appears to have determined that he can't prove any of this in a court because Libby played the "good soldier" and took the fall. 

Par for the course for the Bush Crime Family

Loyalty to the Family comes before loyalty to your country

If "we" know this then why hasn't Cheney been charged with a crime? 

[Straw Man]

If "we" know this then why hasn't Cheney been charged with a crime? 

how is Fitzgerald supposed to prove it when Libby first lies and then won't talk

[Dos Equis]

how is Fitzgerald supposed to prove it when Libby first lies and then won't talk

I have no idea.  You said we "know" that Cheney outed a covert agent.  How do we know this? 

[The Enigma]

I have no idea.   

Ain't that the truth.

[Dos Equis]

Ain't that the truth.

Silence Ebenezer. 

[Straw Man]

I have no idea.  You said we "know" that Cheney outed a covert agent.  How do we know this? 

we know it the same way that you know that OJ was guilty even though the jury in his criminal trial found him innocent.

yeah yeah - civil trial found OJ guilty but admit it, you knew OJ was guilty before the civil trial

[Dos Equis]

we know it the same way that you know that OJ was guilty even though the jury in his criminal trial found him innocent.

yeah yeah - civil trial found OJ guilty but admit it, you knew OJ was guilty before the civil trial

I knew OJ was guilty based on the evidence.  Where is the evidence that Cheney outed a covert agent . . . and why hasn't the government acted on this evidence?   

[The Enigma]

yep, OJ is guilty

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.  




Can you tell the mean IQ of Americans is under 100?



Hahaha......

[Straw Man]

I knew OJ was guilty based on the evidence.  Where is the evidence that Cheney outed a covert agent . . . and why hasn't the government acted on this evidence?   

really - the jury in his criminal trial looked at all the evidence and found him innocent so how come you "know" different.

[The Enigma]

really - the jury in his criminal trial looked at all the evidence and found him innocent so how come you "know" different.

Bum knows all..............about nada.

[Dos Equis]

really - the jury in his criminal trial looked at all the evidence and found him innocent so how come you "know" different.

Thinly veiled attempt at being devil's advocate.     They found him not guilty.  Not the same as "innocent." 

I agree with the civil jury who found him liable for murder. 

[Dos Equis]

Bum knows all..............about nada.

Shouldn't you be off committing malpractice somewhere? 

[Straw Man]

Thinly veiled attempt at being devil's advocate.     They found him not guilty.  Not the same as "innocent." 

I agree with the civil jury who found him liable for murder. 

I'm not arguing semantics with you.

It's generally agreed that OJ is guilty.

Anyone who knows about the facts of the Plame investigation and Libby trial KNOWS that there is a pile of evidence that points to the fact that Libby outed Plame at the direction of Cheney.

from the National Journal -
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President Bush told the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case that he directed Vice President Dick Cheney to personally lead an effort to counter allegations made by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV that his administration had misrepresented intelligence information to make the case to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president's interview.

A central focus of Fitzgerald's investigation has been why Libby would devise a cover story on how he learned of Plame's CIA work when prosecutors had obtained Libby's own notes showing that Libby had first gotten the information from Cheney. Libby told the FBI and testified to the grand jury that he had forgotten what Cheney had told him by the time that he made the Plame disclosure to reporters.

"I no longer remembered it," Libby testified to the grand jury regarding his June 12 conversation with Cheney. It was only after speaking to Russert, Libby testified, that he "learned" the information about Plame's CIA employment "anew."

Federal investigators have concluded that Libby's account is implausible. They have also questioned Libby's testimony that he does not believe he discussed the matter again with Cheney until at least July 14, 2003, the date of Novak's column that called Plame an "agency operative."

Federal investigators have a substantial amount of evidence that Cheney and Libby spoke about the matter in detail shortly after Wilson's column appeared on July 6. Cheney's handwritten notes in the margin of the Wilson column are one reason that prosecutors have believed that the two men spoke earlier than Libby has said they did.
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We could trade quotes all night but who really gives a shit.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that Cheney is responsible.

Shit we got more evidence of that than we have on most of the people in Gitmo

Libby's going to jail while other guilty parties (Cheney,Rove, perhaps others) are getting off

I'll bet you a dollar that Libby goes to jail before Paris Hilton get's out

[Dos Equis]

I'm not arguing semantics with you.

It's generally agreed that OJ is guilty.

Anyone who knows about the facts of the Plame investigation and Libby trial KNOWS that there is a pile of evidence that points to the fact that Libby outed Plame at the direction of Cheney.

from the National Journal -
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President Bush told the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case that he directed Vice President Dick Cheney to personally lead an effort to counter allegations made by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV that his administration had misrepresented intelligence information to make the case to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president's interview.

A central focus of Fitzgerald's investigation has been why Libby would devise a cover story on how he learned of Plame's CIA work when prosecutors had obtained Libby's own notes showing that Libby had first gotten the information from Cheney. Libby told the FBI and testified to the grand jury that he had forgotten what Cheney had told him by the time that he made the Plame disclosure to reporters.

"I no longer remembered it," Libby testified to the grand jury regarding his June 12 conversation with Cheney. It was only after speaking to Russert, Libby testified, that he "learned" the information about Plame's CIA employment "anew."

Federal investigators have concluded that Libby's account is implausible. They have also questioned Libby's testimony that he does not believe he discussed the matter again with Cheney until at least July 14, 2003, the date of Novak's column that called Plame an "agency operative."

Federal investigators have a substantial amount of evidence that Cheney and Libby spoke about the matter in detail shortly after Wilson's column appeared on July 6. Cheney's handwritten notes in the margin of the Wilson column are one reason that prosecutors have believed that the two men spoke earlier than Libby has said they did.
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We could trade quotes all night but who really gives a shit.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that Cheney is responsible.

Shit we got more evidence of that than we have on most of the people in Gitmo

Libby's going to jail while other guilty parties (Cheney,Rove, perhaps others) are getting off

I'll bet you a dollar that Libby goes to jail before Paris Hilton get's out

Evidently, the prosecutor didn't believe Libby outed a covert agent.  Romney said today that the prosecutor knew it was Richard Armitage who outed Plame before Libby was prosecuted.  Is this true? 

[w8tlftr]

S. Berger  should've gone to prison as well.

Fvck yes he should have.

If anyone else would have STOLEN classified information they'd be doing time in prison.

The damn justice system is broken.

[The Enigma]

Shouldn't you be off committing malpractice somewhere? 

Ok, that was funny!! 

[BayGBM]

Yes, he’s married with children, but in some circles Scooter Libby is widely believed to be gay or bisexual.  Is this common knowledge (or a common belief) among straight people?

[Decker]

Evidently, the prosecutor didn't believe Libby outed a covert agent.  Romney said today that the prosecutor knew it was Richard Armitage who outed Plame before Libby was prosecuted.  Is this true? 

Was She or Wasn't She?
Arguing that Libby deserves jail time, Fitzgerald says Plame was a covert agent.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18927332/site/newsweek/?nav=slate?from=rss

Yes Fitzgerald did think that Plame was a covert agent.  However the elements of the crime of illegally outing a covert agent are the intentional disclosure of the covert agent's identity with knowledge that that agent is covert in status and protected by the US.

Fitzgerald did not see enough evidence to charge Libby with that crime.  He had more than enough evidence though to convict him of trying to impede or destroy the investigation into whom really did leak the information.

As for Armitage, "Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson's wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA. (The memo made no reference to her undercover status.)

Fitzgerald found no evidence that Armitage knew of Plame's covert CIA status when he talked to Novak and Woodward.

This very clearly explains that Armitage only had the information included in the INR memo. That, in turn, shows he didn't leak Plame's covert identity and he didn't leak Plame's maiden name. Now, Novak claims to have learned those details through a kind of immaculate knowledge. But Novak's claims, like Libby's, are suspect."  
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/09/why_armitage_do.html

[AE]

...

The damn justice system is broken.

Duh, talk to the Attorney General. 

[w8tlftr]

Duh, talk to the Attorney General. 

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Like the Democrats were any better.

Your blind allegiance to your political party is hilarious.

[Dos Equis]

Ok, that was funny!! 

 

[Dos Equis]

Was She or Wasn't She?
Arguing that Libby deserves jail time, Fitzgerald says Plame was a covert agent.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18927332/site/newsweek/?nav=slate?from=rss

Yes Fitzgerald did think that Plame was a covert agent.  However the elements of the crime of illegally outing a covert agent are the intentional disclosure of the covert agent's identity with knowledge that that agent is covert in status and protected by the US.

Fitzgerald did not see enough evidence to charge Libby with that crime.  He had more than enough evidence though to convict him of trying to impede or destroy the investigation into whom really did leak the information.

As for Armitage, "Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson's wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA. (The memo made no reference to her undercover status.)

Fitzgerald found no evidence that Armitage knew of Plame's covert CIA status when he talked to Novak and Woodward.

This very clearly explains that Armitage only had the information included in the INR memo. That, in turn, shows he didn't leak Plame's covert identity and he didn't leak Plame's maiden name. Now, Novak claims to have learned those details through a kind of immaculate knowledge. But Novak's claims, like Libby's, are suspect."  
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/09/why_armitage_do.html

So who outed a covert agent in violation of the law?  Somebody give me a straight answer.  Sounds like Giuliani was right:  there was no underlying crime. 

[Decker]

The investigation is ongoing.  The proceedings not released are secret.  Fitzgerald gives few clues who is next.

Just b/c a case develops slowly doesn't mean there is no case at hand.

Rudy knows that and he is being less than truthful in offering his conclusion.

What is the alternative Beach Bum?  Bury our collective head in the sand to an outing of a covert Agent investigating WMDs during a time of war and pretend nothing happened?

What do you think?

[Dos Equis]

The investigation is ongoing.  The proceedings not released are secret.  Fitzgerald gives few clues who is next.

Just b/c a case develops slowly doesn't mean there is no case at hand.

Rudy knows that and he is being less than truthful in offering his conclusion.

What is the alternative Beach Bum?  Bury our collective head in the sand to an outing of a covert Agent investigating WMDs during a time of war and pretend nothing happened?

What do you think?

Decker you won't find a bigger "law and order" person than me.  But what I don't like is unfairness in the system.  I don't see this Libby prosecution as much different than what happened to Clinton.  I was opposed to that witch hunt too.  There was no underlying wrongdoing there either.  I'm opposed to the Gonzales witch hunt for the same reason.  It's a waste of time and money IMO.

It looks like what happened here was they targeted Libby as the source of the leak and when that didn't pan out they charged him with lying and "obstruction" (obstructing what??). 

I don't condone people lying to authorities, but there has to be some common sense and proper exercise of discretion by people who have an enormous amount of power.