PROOF YOU CAN GROW IN A CALORIE DEFECIT!!!!

[Hedgehog]

Well i have been reading many of daddywaddys threads and im kind of tired of all the nonsense people throw at him about him being smaller. Here is a before and after picture. I know im not shit and i don't need to hear meaningless comments. I just want to prove to you guys that he is telling the truth about many things. The first picture is that last one you guys saw of me when i posted under my gimmick buttsuck. This last one is me on about 800 calories a day doing extreme dieting trying to lean out as much as possible although i wasn't succesful. Fat is like a scab. The more you pick at it the smaller it grows back. Anyway enjoy....

When you posted under your gimmick Buttsuck, you subscribed to many of Abeles' theories.

He believes in that you can eat whatever you want, as long as you are in a caloric deficit.

He even told whateva that a beer only diet would be just fine.

I don't know how much of this you actually believe in, since it was a gimmick account, but I will definitely give you credit for having great symmetry, very Zane-esque.

Whether you're cutting or gaining muscle, it's common sense to eat nutritious, ie eating a balanced diet.

Lots of veggies, whole-grain carbs, fruits, avoid refined products, fat fish, oils, et al.

I don't see anyone on this site claiming you should pig out or eating enormous amounts of protein. Not even a guy like Chris Mason, who is in the business of selling protein powder. Frankly, I don't see the 300 gram protein recommendations anymore.

FWIW, if you get 15% protein in your diet per day, that's still a high protein diet.

-Hedge

[D.L. 5]

I think it is an excellent approach. Just remember, all that matters is your calories are low and in time you will get there but it takes time. I dieted for 5 months before i lost all that fat and had to hold it another 4 to get where i am today.

thank you leafy bug,

i dieted 5 months to lose 62 pounds. and the best results were simply very low calories and u get used to it and dont even feel like eating. i think in another four months i will reach my goal and lose another 20 pounds or even more.

glad to see someone using the same approach.

congrats on the results...it makes me more motivated.

[D.L. 5]

Thanks. The important thing is to stick with it. I eventually got to the point where i dropped cardio. Also you can try daddywaddy type methods although i do find them stessful on the body. I remember i was eating cheese cake and oreos everyday. You just have to make sure you burn what you eat.

thank you. yes i lose weight even without cardio. in regards to food i find the best is oatmeal, grilled flake fish, and sometimes spinach salad with moderate to high calorie dressing cos u need a nice taste sometimes.

but mainly i eat oatmeal for carbs and fish for protien i got sick of chicken.

[Marty Champions]

leafy bug is doing the right thing..

the diet part is  correct low calories to lose...

but the building part he should on a few days a week spend the most time in the gym with alot more more calories... for example ill consume 4-5000 and not lose a pound or gain a pound if im pumping over 2 hours a day. this is my caloric limit. and you need calories to lift a crazy long time to keep your muscles stimulated to hold all the fat you consume.

then on certain days dont do as much  but get a decent workout in but dont eat shit just eat fiber and water ect and you lose fast do that for a day or 2 then go back to lifting alot and eating at your limit. you have to find your limit on a maximum workout day and test the next morning to see if your weight is the same then you know for sure your limit

so ...

4-5000 is my limit at 225 pounds at 2-3 hours or working out /cardio

[spinnis]

That max 2pound muscle/year aint true. Not atlest the first year of training.

[Hedgehog]

leafy bug is doing the right thing..

the diet part is  correct low calories to lose...

No shit Sherlock.

In other news, Columbus discovers America!

-Hedge

[spinnis]

Of course. The first year you can gain about 10 or so.

in the last 2 years ive gained 52pounds and still had good abs until a while ago, =)
but now im bulked after several months on 4500kcal lol =)

[spinnis]

and where is the research that shows max 2 pounds a year?
because everyone is different and responds different to Different things types of training and so on,
How could they do the study? :p

[spinnis]

That is too many calories. Most of that is fat gain. I gained 70 pounds in my first year of training and you saw how much of it turned out to be muscle. You are no different then me.

yeah But I kept my abs you didnīt ,
At 3800kcal I loose weight with no cardio sadly.. I hate eating also lol.

[spinnis]

after the first 20 pounds it was no sign of fat at all though

[spinnis]

And what do you notice now? I still don't have abs. It is due to lack of development. Just because you have abs doesn't mean you have more muscle. People store fat differently. Cut all the way and you will see. If you are natural you will fall in the range of 150-160ish depending on how tall you are and how dense your bones are.

Yeah I understand but, I took the abs thing as a sign of still not beeing all that fat,

[spinnis]

And do you guys have the study on 2pounds muscle a year?
Cause adonis is really into everyone proving different stuff with evidence,
And I cant imagine how that study is done.

[spinnis]

You should never lose track of your abs in the "offseason" (i hate using that word). Ask big ach. He bulked up to 240 only to return back down to a smoother form of his previous weight. The fat cells must be starved off otherwise they multiply and you will look smooth and soft when you cut back down.

maby he didnīt eat enough protein or didnīt rain hard enough, or sucked at dieting,
How much was he at before the bulk?

[dseiler]

great pics

what is your height?

I agree that muscle goes on as an adaptation to stress, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously on very low calories.  If the body is pressured properly it will use what little nutrition it has to build muscle.

Still though you can gain muscle without drugs.

Fixed.

[spinnis]

You should do on of those test in a water tank and shit, to see the exact how much muscle you have when bulked and then another one after the diet, cause im shure you lost muscle to, =)

my grammer sucks so u know. and spelling

[spinnis]

It is an estimate. You aren't going make any huge changes unless you have drugs. A study would be hard to conduct since everyone is different and every one has different natural test levels running through their body. There are a few rules to remember. If you are under 6 feet tall you will not be over 200 pounds at 3% body fat naturally. That is nonsense. I'll let him defend himself but the amount of protien isn't a factor.  You can get fat off of eating protien. All that matters is calories and getting the RDI. The same thing happened to me when i first cut down. I was soft and i was getting 200+. Now i get about 100 or so grams depending on how i feel.

how can such a statement be said?
"6 feet tall you will not be over 200 pounds at 3% body fat naturally"

[spinnis]

Naturally gained muscle is near impossible to lose.

but you should do it.

[spinnis]

Find one natural bodybuilder under 6 feet thats over 200 pounds at 3%.

my question was How do you know for sure that thatīs Not possible?

[spinnis]

Because it has never been done.

well 3% sure is low, But some black person with amazing genes could probly come close

[D.L. 5]

leafy bug is an inspiration and idol for the natural lifters trying to get ripped and have muscle too 

[spinnis]

No.... we are all human. Skin color can give the appearance of being leaner then one actually is.

I think they have better genes.



Anyway, how can you Prove that under 6feet in 200pounds is Not possible?
im of to the gym now though,

[The Ugly]

The first picture is that last one you guys saw of me when i posted under my gimmick buttsuck

Looking good, but wouldn't this one be the gimmick?

[Krankenstein]

The Onus is on you my friend. You are the one claiming it works.  Prove it.  If it works, this should be easy to do.

If it is common practice surely there is evidence and an explanation behind it.  Guess what, There is none.

Adam.....the onus is NOT on me.  You see, I have personal experience with it.  I have done it to myself, and have done it on a few people I helped get ready for a show.  In fact, the guy on Mayhem Manchild was one of the people i helped get ready for a show.  Ask him for his opinion.  When you take a "depleted" body and mess with sodium, water, carbs, and fat there is cosmetic effect that happens.  Will there be research?  Hell no.  Just something people have found to have happen.  There is cell physiology behind things.  Like, when you take in carbs, fats with no water....where do you think the body gets the water to help with digestion?  You do realize how important water is in the digestive process right?

So, before you start with me on the onus of things.  You have made HUGE claims on here.  People have called you out on shit, and yet YOU havent delivered.  The onus has been on you for so many things that you havent backed up.  So, before you come at me you should probably think about that.  Again, I think you have some unique ideas and theories....but they are NOT the be-all, end-all to things.  You have never gotten to the point of getting on stage and having to make sure your body has the right appearance.  Try it Adam, you might see that its not as "easy" as you claim.

[tleilaxutank]

Good thread.

It is true that people become obsessed with increasing the number on the scale.

Fat gain is "sneaky"  It occurs in and around muscles making them look bigger than they really are.

Insulin response from overeating causes water retention which makes you feel bigger and stronger.


BUT fly,

If you gained muscle between those first pics you've shown, it sure isn't obvious.  Not hating; you look awesome.  But I am hard pressed to find a single improvement from the first pic to the second.  Great transformation overall, btw.

[shiftedShapes]

No.... we are all human. Skin color can give the appearance of being leaner then one actually is.

Skin color is part of it.

I also think that there are a lot of black guys who are very lean (this is probably partially because they don't go on ridiculous BBing diets like us so they tend to consume less calories) with a lot of upper body muscle and very small legs, especially calves.  All of these factors together make them look a lot heavier than they actually are.