Pro Bodybuilder cycle "list" - is this BS or not?

[muscularny]

explain how ronnie maintains 300+ lbs yr round?  black eyed pea?

Have you tried training for 20 YEARS? 20 years of seriously being dedicated non stop everyday? So if he started out at 175 whats that 5lbs muscle gains a year, doesnt that avg joe here claim they put on 12-15lbs each cycle?

There is no way in hell if you are consistant not to make gains no such thing.

Chad in a interview said he asked ronnie after a show years ago how much cheating he did during the diet and ronnied looked at him like hes from the moon, he said it didnt even cross his mind.

Very very few guys can be serious and follow things to the T especially when it comes to diet, sticking yourself with a needle or swallowing a pill is not hard, not cheating is the big big problem

[gh15]

Big props to you milos for saying what you said especially about test, people really think its all about test, I always say this but it goes in in one ear of people and comes out of the other, ive done a bit over 2000mg of solid US pharma grade test and ive done 250-400wk cycles I am not kidding I saw no difference at all the only difference was the sides with the more test.

the reason you didnt see a diff is because you were not big enough to begin with as in lean muscle mass,,so your physiqe needed 500mg,,,the bigger you are the more you need,,THAT DOESNT MAKE THE SMALLER GUYS LESS GREAT,,but the bigger guys need more and another aspect is the fact you most likley didnt use growth at the levels we use

you will need more test when using 15+ units growth a day with slin,,lots of test while on high dose of growth is needed for optimal results,,

i swear i feel im talkin to first graders and not lifters

[Vince B]

You are talking to dreamers and the lunatic fringe, not educated people.

[muscularny]

the reason you didnt see a diff is because you were not big enough to begin with as in lean muscle mass,,so your physiqe needed 500mg,,,the bigger you are the more you need,,THAT DOESNT MAKE THE SMALLER GUYS LESS GREAT,,but the bigger guys need more and another aspect is the fact you most likley didnt use growth at the levels we use

you will need more test when using 15+ units growth a day with slin,,lots of test while on high dose of growth is needed for optimal results,,

i swear i feel im talkin to first graders and not lifters

You like to assume things, dont you?

[Vince B]

There has always been an insider group that shares information. That seems to be true today because not everyone knows what is going on re drug use at the highest level of competition. The rest of us have to rely on hearsay and not facts. No wonder there is so much confusion. Now, what is the test of truth re drug dosage and stacking?

[Moen]

Very very few guys can be serious and follow things to the T especially when it comes to diet, sticking yourself with a needle or swallowing a pill is not hard, not cheating is the big big problem

No offense but there is something seriously wrong in your upper chamber if you find it easier to constantly inject yourself than to stay on a diet without cheating

[maximus decimus]

I am not going to comment on the dosages posted here. But I personally know one national level competitor in Europe who admitted to me using 2-3g test daily while prepping for a show. Plus other AAS of course. I also know a -90 class world champion using 35 units of HGH daily.

The pros? Who knows but anything is possible

[DK II]

I have to agree that i see guys on the german board doing grams of different steroids and look like shit.

Over here, your typical gym rat is on over a gram per week, normally in the third cycle you do in your life you'd be over 1g.

So don't BS me with saying pros are around 2g of stacked aas. I really think gh15 is closer to reality, a bit strechted out but hell, look at guys like Dennis Wolf, Dennis James or Markus Ruehl!!

2g aas, 6iu gh and 20iu insulin?? LMAO, that's what their fans do!

[OneMoreRep]

I'm a very close friend to about 4 top level IFBB pros and, in all honesty, GH15 is right.  They will use most if not all of those drugs, not sure about the amounts he mentioned, but yes they would use all of those drugs.

[DK II]

This is from a german board, a cycle which one dude did, not even competing!:

2500mg testo e/W
1000mg deca/W
100mg metandieon ed

nw ständig geil,nasenbluten,agro bissle,170/120 blutdruck
pro von max,bankdrücken 175kgauf195kg
kreuzh.von220 auf 250kg
16w kurlänge

trainingspartner (powerlifter)125kg+
500mg testo e ed
100mg halotestin ed
400mg trenbo acetat eod

[UK Gold]

There has always been an insider group that shares information. That seems to be true today because not everyone knows what is going on re drug use at the highest level of competition. The rest of us have to rely on hearsay and not facts. No wonder there is so much confusion. Now, what is the test of truth re drug dosage and stacking?

Vince, you had the chance to be an 'insider' with the likes of Arnold and Sergio - but you didn't have the balls.

This is from a german board, a cycle which one dude did, not even competing!:

The problem people have with the fantasy cycle is the insulin, not the 'normal' stuff.

[The Squadfather]

This is from a german board, a cycle which one dude did, not even competing!:

as crazy as that cycle is it's peanuts compared to the one GH15 listed.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Big props to you milos for saying what you said especially about test, people really think its all about test, I always say this but it goes in in one ear of people and comes out of the other, ive done a bit over 2000mg of solid US pharma grade test and ive done 250-400wk cycles I am not kidding I saw no difference at all the only difference was the sides with the more test.

I think this post just about sums things up. I think there is only so much a person can take before the they will see no difference. Less is more.

[DK II]

as crazy as that cycle is it's peanuts compared to the one GH15 listed.

That's what i mean.

If a guy that doesn't even compete does this shit, i bet the pros do what gh15 wrote, or close to that.

[marcos chacon]

if u read this milos,remenber in santa susana that i wrote my prep down so u could see what i was doing?

if u remenber please write it down here so these guys can see that is not all huge amount of anabolics.

genetics,hard work and years of training make the diference.

pd-santa susana i competed with 115 kg.

[DK II]

if u read this milos,remenber in santa susana that i wrote my prep down so u could see what i was doing?

if u remenber please write it down here so these guys can see that is not all huge amount of anabolics.

genetics,hard work and years of training make the diference.

pd-santa susana i competed with 115 kg.

Ok, Marcos....

You do not quite fill into the pro-bb-with-year-long-experience-that-competes-for-the-O that gh15 mentioned i guess...

Doing some local shows i give you credit, but people like yuo are not discussed here in this thread.

[The Squadfather]

Ok, Marcos....

You do not quite fill into the pro-bb-with-year-long-experience-that-competes-for-the-O that gh15 mentioned i guess...

Doing some local shows i give you credit, but people like yuo are not discussed here in this thread.

the dude is pretty big DK, have you ever seen his pics?

[kyomu]

Ok, Marcos....

You do not quite fill into the pro-bb-with-year-long-experience-that-competes-for-the-O that gh15 mentioned i guess...

Doing some local shows i give you credit, but people like yuo are not discussed here in this thread.

Hey my friend. Marcos is a huge ifbb pro.

[kyomu]

if u read this milos,remenber in santa susana that i wrote my prep down so u could see what i was doing?

if u remenber please write it down here so these guys can see that is not all huge amount of anabolics.

genetics,hard work and years of training make the diference.

pd-santa susana i competed with 115 kg.

Me alegro de que compites finalmente.
Te veo en septiembre!!!

[The Coach]

Milos, GH15 posted this cycle claiming it was one of the top IFBB Pro's cycle

no offence to him but IMO, it is complete bullshit and I have a hard time believing someone use even 1/2 of that

what's your opinion ?

ok
i got dozens of members here asking me for an example for pro bodybuilder cycles,,as i said many times before in general,,we do not get completely off drugs we only reduce the number of products/doses etc,,

what i will do here is give you a typical top pro routine,,THIS SHOULD NOT BE IMMITATED! THIS IS FOR BODYBUILDERS THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH ALL STAGES OF HORMONE USE,,THIS IS NOT FOR BEGGINERS NOR IS IT FOR THE RECREATIONAL USER!  i did not write the following but it is best describe a high level pro bodybuilder routine and i confirm this post

again be careful and dont think that by doing the same you will get same results,,you need the genetic response to be there in the first place! you need to be able to compete locally and do well with a lot less hormones

enjoy



PRE-CONTEST:

10-7 WEEKS OUT

250 mg sustanon per day

250 mg testopan (enanthate) per day

1000 Deca Durabolin

Humatrope Growth Hormone, 6 units per, 6 times a day!! (Five times a week)

Long-Acting Insulin 100 units in the morning

Fast Acting insulin 25 units per meal (he is now to scared to eat without insulin)

Oxymethelone (whatever type he can get) 5x50mg tabs

300 mcg T3 per day

200-mcg clen (taken five days on 2 days off)

Nubain 5 ml a day, 3 times a week (supposedly to reduce the addictiveness)

Glucophage, taken before workouts, 4,000mg

He does do IGF-1 but he limits it to 4 week cycles as he believes that most of the research on this shows limited length of time of effectiveness. He will then follow this up with a 4-week break

80 mg fluxoetine (prozac) to help with the chemical imbalances and to assist him to keep stress from the drugs down

180 mg Ephedrine Hydrochloride, before workouts

6-2 WEEKS OUT:

4,000 mg Testosterone Propionate

2 vials of Masteron

2 vials of Parabolan

10 tabs of halotestin per day, before training

DNP for a week in weeks 6,4 and 2

Clenbuterol on alternating weeks at 400mcg per day

T3 400mcg per day

Nubain as above

Insulin as above

Growth Hormone 6 units 6 times per day

IGF-1 for the four weeks to week 2 at 100 mcg per day.

100mg of fluxoetine (prozac)

Ephedrine as above

I estimate the mg’s at somewhere around 6,500 to 7,000 mgs a week

WEEKS 2 AND FIRST HALF OF WEEK 1:

Same as above except the Nubain is dropped, as it is unnecessary, as well as the IGF-1 is dropped.

Also one extra ampoule of Parabolan and Masteron per day.

LAST THREE DAYS:

Uses neoton 500, creatine phosphate (its an injectable I believe) in his carb deplete/load, he was unspecific on dosages

Two days out he uses Lasix (still a favorite) 80 mg four times a day, for two days.

The newest thing out is a plasma expander, by the name of

Groenaut, apparently from Europe, this works much in the same way as Glycerol in that it drams water out from underneath the skin and into the muscle and bloodstream leaving a very dry full look if it is done correctly, of course as with high stakes bodybuilding there is that ever apparent degree of risk, the risk here is mixing a diuretic which dumps the water from the system and a drug that tries to pull the water in, if the effect is too great, the least that could happen is that you don’t fill out and you look flat, dry but flat, the worst well the drug tends to favor skeletal muscle over smooth cardiac muscle, hence you are then in shit street as your heart dehydrates, and cardiac arrest kicks in, (not the same thing as Momo, though).

There are a lot of other drugs that are used such as amphetamines to help blunt the appetite and to give him energy as he gets closer to a show, as his body fat drops down to below 5 percent, he tends to feel very ill and tired, he also uses a lot of immuno stimulating supplements so he doesn’t get sick, of course as he is wired from the amphetamines he has to use xanax, halicon and valium (rotated to reduce reliance on a certain drug supposedly).

On show day the use of insulin before going on stage to get the last bit of fullness and bring out his vascularity, (up close this guy has veins that an octopus would envy. Shooting 10 units I.V before going on but after any pumping up he does

For whatever reason, GH15 seems to think that you need massive amounts of gear to win or do well even in the pro ranks, this is where he's totally wrong, I understand this list MIGHT be someone elses, and if it is true (which It can't be) it's crap like this that has ruined bodybuilding and physiques. GH15 is part of the problem and not the solution, again, he's the most dangerous poster on this site.

[The Coach]

Ok, Marcos....

You do not quite fill into the pro-bb-with-year-long-experience-that-competes-for-the-O that gh15 mentioned i guess...

Doing some local shows i give you credit, but people like yuo are not discussed here in this thread.

Santa Susana isn't a local show in case you haven't heard!

[DK II]

the dude is pretty big DK, have you ever seen his pics?

No, but he claims he's not a 'fitness dude' but a powerlifter...
You know what this means, he's not going to diet very hard.

Hey my friend. Marcos is a huge ifbb pro.

Whoooops, never heard of him.
Also about the show. Yeah, sorry i was wrong. 

[Cleanest Natural]

ignorant, uninformed , assuming, illiterate posters such as your skinny self are dangerous on this board. Do you coach?..what ase your students going to learn from u ?...cause u talk straight out of your ass..

[The Squadfather]

ignorant, uninformed , assuming, illiterate posters such as your skinny self are dangerous on this board. Do you coach?..what ase your students going to learn from u ?...cause u talk straight out of your ass..

dude shut up, Joe fuccking dwarfs you in muscle mass and even more so when he competed.

[DK II]

dude shut up, Joe fuccking dwarfs you in muscle mass and even more so when he competed.

Are you saying Mr "1-gram-test-per-week" spermastse is getting beaten up by elementray school kids when he returns from his tennis lessons, sf?