GH15 Vs Milos

[bassmaster]

this subject will be in the ranks of UFOs,the lochness monster, and what does a pro cycle looks like. i bet its a bunch of goods and plenty of covering up what u do. with the pro ranks any little thing that will give them an advantage would be  a hush hush..

One thing, i remember alooong time ago when i was a young iron monkey i believed that none of these guys juiced. hell when their was a rumor that ultimate warrior juiced i was forced to hate him due to drug use. But along side the hated warrior our good friend hulk hogan was juiced to the gills and loved by all. i think both are right and if someone want to follow g15 advice hell go ahead, just let us know how it goes.As for Milo's, i bet theirs plenty of folks on the boards that ran this before .... lets hear from them? u a pro yet?

[DIVISION]

GH15 Vs Milos, who is speaking the truth about dosages for the majority of the Pros.
Please vote.
I have used the darkside and the more shit i have used the bigger i got(Never used insulin or HGH,IGF).
Am a natural now as i do not have that reverse anorexia that used to plauge me, but if i had the money i might try GH15 cycle.
Would i Die or be as big as a Pro.I have good genetics and have responded well in the past to small amounts but nothing like when i put my head on the chopping block and went all out.
Is Milos defending the IFBB by saying Pros use less than more or is GH15 the real deal.My moneys on the latter.Surely there must be genetically gifted bodybuilders in the world at every gym who only use less than a gram a week and is not the next big thing.
Milos comments completely baffle me.
Maybe some juice heads on the board can clarify what GH15 and Milos are saying.Jay Cutler on 1 to 2 grams a week seems laughable.
Discuss

The majority of IFBB pros use over 1G Test ew and there is no disputing that in my mind.

I don't care what Milos Sarcev or Lee Priest say.

The bodybuilder with great genetics, or hyper responders like Kevin Levrone can get by with less, but they are still around that 1G mark.

Bodybuilders with average to below average genetics are megadosing at two and three times that amount.


DIV

[njflex]

div i see your point but on the grand scheme of things,leverone a good responder and needs or used less,what is avg or below avg genetics to get their,is warren above avg to begin with or not give example?a middleweight who competed at 172 like henry and now over 200 4 yrs later and is pretty thick and crazy conditioned is that avg,i mean he had good shape and was conditioned to become a pro it's what he did after that made him.

[trab]

1st Off People who never used the stuff got no Biz talking about it.  ONLY Reason I ever put my 2cents worth on GB is.... I was gonna rip my hair out and scream if I read another young guy about to Fuck himself up  silly with BBing DOPE!

Hey, I personally like the stuff, and have had the good fortune to have unlimited access to human Pharma products in my life.. RESPONSE IS VERY INDIVIDUAL.

NOTHING SAID PUBLICLY ABOUT "STEROIDS" by ANYONE WHO HOPES TO EVER GET ANYTHING OUT OF THE IFBB AGAIN IS WORTH STOPPING TO LISTEN TO!!  NOTHING. They allways talked out both sides of their mouth and allways will. Joe Public cant handle the truth. This goes for all sports.
Athletes are supposed to be "Hero's". Hero's and Hypos is hard for many on the sidelines to reconcile.

Milos is preaching the New Party Line. Hey, today Total Denial is too much even for little old ladies to believe.

Most these BIG BOYS run loads of stuff that'd blow your mind.  No it ain't healthy.
I feel moderate courses done time to time are.

What really cracks me up are the jerks that say its IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE THAT MUCH! (GH15 dose)
Most of them have never used, or took a couple shots once.
Shit, I'm nothing special or very  big and I can hold close to 3000mgs in a front load.
And I get NO Further bennies running up the dose. SOme do.
Genetics for gear is real. esp insulin + HGH in the rare guy IMO.

Ever watch a 320lb big strong guy eat? EVERYTHING is on a different scale for them. Life's a allaround pain in the ass for them.  How much drugs of any kind a monster that big can choke down?
Tip - A REAL LOT!!

a HANDFULL of 10 Dbol on top of several grams of test and deca and anadrol and... IS commonplace w/
big The Big Euro monsters on Holliday in pattaya. Just because its hard for YOU to get dont mean it is for all.
WHen you have unlimited access, things change.

US doses prolly will be forced down after this Benoit thing. Just wait. I'm sure the DEA operation is well into planing.

[hooker]

My buddy Phil Hernon (IFBB) said that he typically used 500mgs of test a week when not in precontest mode, and for contests he upped that to 750, added 400mgs of deca (weekly), and 50mgs of winstrol + 20mgs of Dbol (Daily).

I have no reason to doubt him. He competed in the 90's.

[TheDoctor]

My buddy Phil Hernon (IFBB) said that he typically used 500mgs of test a week when not in precontest mode, and for contests he upped that to 750, added 400mgs of deca (weekly), and 50mgs of winstrol + 20mgs of Dbol (Daily).

I have no reason to doubt him. He competed in the 90's.

Awesome genetics

[The Squadfather]

My buddy Phil Hernon (IFBB) said that he typically used 500mgs of test a week when not in precontest mode, and for contests he upped that to 750, added 400mgs of deca (weekly), and 50mgs of winstrol + 20mgs of Dbol (Daily).

I have no reason to doubt him. He competed in the 90's.

hahahaha, another clown who knows the pros personally.

[Dballn247]

So a gram of test and 300mgs of deca only got you 15 pounds? Ha ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha ha! You obviously have the genetics and work ethic of a slug! A first timer can pack on 20lbs using pro hormones! Damn, you put on 7lbs using creatine! Ha ha ha, you are a joke.

15 lbs?  A gram of test alone puts 25lbs on me with in the first 10 days.  I don't know I would have to agree with Milos over GH15.  I know of people who use 1500 to 2000mgs of test a week, but know where near the amounts he is stating.  I'd say it's somewhere in between.  I've never used more that 20 units of insulin a day (split doses), I couldn't imagine 100 units. 

[DIVISION]

div i see your point but on the grand scheme of things,leverone a good responder and needs or used less,what is avg or below avg genetics to get their,is warren above avg to begin with or not give example?a middleweight who competed at 172 like henry and now over 200 4 yrs later and is pretty thick and crazy conditioned is that avg,i mean he had good shape and was conditioned to become a pro it's what he did after that made him.

The less gifted you are genetically equates to having to use higher doses to achieve the same results as someone who has good to great genetics.

With higher doses come higher incidences of sides.

Remember "Palumboism"?



DIV

[trab]

The less gifted you are genetically equates to having to use higher doses to achieve the same results as someone who has good to great genetics.

With higher doses come higher incidences of sides.

Remember "Palumboism"?



DIV

Even cranking the dose dont help most guys at some point. Look how Kevein lost his swell? Now look at Dorian.
Hey there's sumfin funny. My guess, is HGH and slin at the right dose on Kev is near magic.
That dont downplay all the hard lifting and determined focus he put in. But genetics for a certian gear combo seems likely.

[TheDoctor]

15 lbs?  A gram of test alone puts 25lbs on me with in the first 10 days.  I don't know I would have to agree with Milos over GH15.  I know of people who use 1500 to 2000mgs of test a week, but know where near the amounts he is stating.  I'd say it's somewhere in between.  I've never used more that 20 units of insulin a day (split doses), I couldn't imagine 100 units. 

Part of my problem is i never lifted heavy i was just an uneducated about steroids especially orals and there long term damage.Simple as that

[TheDoctor]

15 lbs?  A gram of test alone puts 25lbs on me with in the first 10 days.  I don't know I would have to agree with Milos over GH15.  I know of people who use 1500 to 2000mgs of test a week, but know where near the amounts he is stating.  I'd say it's somewhere in between.  I've never used more that 20 units of insulin a day (split doses), I couldn't imagine 100 units. 

Do you ever feel your playing russian roulette with insulin or you use the minium.Serious question

[Rimbaud]

I don't know nor do I care what the pros use.

[Dballn247]

Do you ever feel your playing russian roulette with insulin or you use the minium.Serious question

I've always stuck with the min.  To be completely honest, I was affraid of becoming diabetic.  I'd use 1 unit per 10lbs of BW.  Back when I was stuck at the 200lb mark and all the test I could take wouldn't do anything, the Insulin took me to 220 and a few time later over the years to 240.  Insulin is a powerful drug.  As you know it is not for the beginner.  Make sure you take carbs immediately afterwards the tunnel vision is scary.  It comes out of nowhere and is fast.  The last thing you want to do is go down in the shower.

Edit: use creatine with the insulin.  Like the celltech supposedly uses the Insulin Mimicking effects to shuttle the creatine into the muscles, the Insulin actually does it.  That is why it works so well.   

For others reading this, Once again though not for beginners.   

[pumpster]

Make sure you take carbs immediately afterwards the tunnel vision is scary.  It comes out of nowhere and is fast.  The last thing you want to do is go down in the shower.

Tunnel vision?

[The Squadfather]

Tunnel vision?

i don't even want to think about it, scary shit.

[pumpster]

i don't even want to think about it, scary shit.

Slin, IGF, etc. is warping the body's essential chemistry. Like fattening livestock.

[The Squadfather]

Slin, IGF, etc. is warping the body's essential chemistry. Like fattening livestock.

i can see some test and dbol or whatever but the slin, GH, Glucophage use is just insane to me, no offense to dballin what he does is his choice.

[Dballn247]

Tunnel vision?

Yup, take the I and say I'll get some carbs when I get out of the shower, the next thing you know the blackness is closing in and you are scrambling to get to the shower knobs and then sit down.  Hopefully you have a girlfriend or wife to bring you a carbo force.

Scary shit.  If your gonna take the shot, go ahead and drink some carbs.

[Dballn247]

i can see some test and dbol or whatever but the slin, GH, Glucophage use is just insane to me, no offense to dballin what he does is his choice.

As long as you don't approach Slin like Anabolics you should be ok.  For the most part you can get away with the more is better approach on roids, however using more slin could put you in a Coma.  If I could afford it I'd stay on gear all year round.  Slin however (for me at least) is just for getting past sticking points. 

Most people would look good on just 500mgs of test a week, 75 mgs of Tren and 25-50mgs of Winny a day.

[MAXX]

i belive gh15.

[bassmaster]

As long as you don't approach Slin like Anabolics you should be ok.  For the most part you can get away with the more is better approach on roids, however using more slin could put you in a Coma.  If I could afford it I'd stay on gear all year round.  Slin however (for me at least) is just for getting past sticking points. 

Most people would look good on just 500mgs of test a week, 75 mgs of Tren and 25-50mgs of Winny a day.

agreed with the aas use part, dam tunnel vision thats some scary shit..

u say sticking points? is that strength  or physique wise?

[trab]

Tunnel vision?

Tunnel vission is a sign you are about to pass out. If youve lost conciousness a couple times, you'll come to recognize it if you pay attn. I dont use insulin, and dont think its a good idea. But it looks like it puts some serious weight on the right guys. Frankly I think that look is ruining BBing.

[garraeth]

Tunnel vission is a sign you are about to pass out. If youve lost conciousness a couple times, you'll come to recognize it if you pay attn. I dont use insulin, and dont think its a good idea. But it looks like it puts some serious weight on the right guys. Frankly I think that look is ruining BBing.

haha, if you've lost conciousness....you're dead

[Mars]

we hope gh is right so we can continue flaming pro's for their drugs abuse.