GH15 Vs Milos

[garraeth]

we hope gh is right so we can continue flaming pro's for their drugs abuse.

lol

[trab]

haha, if you've lost conciousness....you're dead

Blackout From Insulin? Prolly so. ANd it happens damn fast. I dont use that shiet.
Its all too far today. Insulin, DNP, synthol, IGF, EPO,..WHat I miss here? Plasma expanders..

[TheDoctor]

Blackout From Insulin? Prolly so. ANd it happens damn fast. I dont use that shiet.
Its all too far today. Insulin, DNP, synthol, IGF, EPO,..WHat I miss here? Plasma expanders..

Funny you mention Plasma Expanders Milos talked in depth about them and his use of them.Not sure if it was on Mayhem or Getbig a few years ago anyway.

[trab]

Funny you mention Plasma Expanders Milos talked in depth about them and his use of them.Not sure if it was on Mayhem or Getbig a few years ago anyway.

Have you ever checked into what them Bony lookin' Cyclists do?
Good God. They make BBers look sensible.
ESPN mag had a good story last month. Now THEY are - ALL DRUGS.
I should say, Their PERFORMANCE LEVEL is ALL DRUGS.

They look like crap.

[TheDoctor]

Have you ever checked into what them Bony lookin' Cyclists do?
Good God. They make BBers look sensible.
ESPN mag had a good story last month. Now THEY are - ALL DRUGS.
I should say, Their PERFORMANCE LEVEL is ALL DRUGS.

They look like crap.

I know is that its true Milos had a bust up with Chad and Nasser about it i remember i remember it vivdly, they were supposed to engorge the blood giving a fuller look.PM Milos im sure he will not deny it.

[trab]

I know is that its true Milos had a bust up with Chad and Nasser about it i remember i remember it vivdly, they were supposed to engorge the blood giving a fuller look.PM Milos im sure he will not deny it.

These cyclists get their blood so thick w/ red cells (EPO), the heart can barely pump!
They also used to carry around their own blood in coolers for transfusing red cell rich blood at critical times .
Undetectable.
Story said, some sleep w/  heart monitors on to wake them if HR go too low, then wake up an move around/ exercise so as not to die in sleep from coronary!   Even a normal dose of red cell building anapolon tabs makes most guys feel like crap unless he's working out.
Prolly the same principle.

[BEAST 8692]

These cyclists get their blood so thick w/ red cells (EPO), the heart can barely pump!
They also used to carry around their own blood in coolers for transfusing red cell rich blood at critical times .
Undetectable.
Story said, some sleep w/  heart monitors on to wake them if HR go too low, then wake up an move around/ exercise so as not to die in sleep from coronary!   Even a normal dose of red cell building anapolon tabs makes most guys feel like crap unless he's working out.
Prolly the same principle.

epo is great stuff for an endurance athlete.

it oygenates the blood about 1000 times better than high altitude training.

the only problem is, when at rest the blood stops moving around so fast, congeals and thickens and, yes, you can dies from it.

[TheDoctor]

These cyclists get their blood so thick w/ red cells (EPO), the heart can barely pump!
They also used to carry around their own blood in coolers for transfusing red cell rich blood at critical times .
Undetectable.
Story said, some sleep w/  heart monitors on to wake them if HR go too low, then wake up an move around/ exercise so as not to die in sleep from coronary!   Even a normal dose of red cell building anapolon tabs makes most guys feel like crap unless he's working out.
Prolly the same principle.

Its like the rumour that some Bodybuilders Pros that will go unamed had blood tranfusions prior to stepping on stage.
I will make it very clear i agree with you 100% percent on cyclists when EPO came out over 14 young healthy cyclists died from complications but what i am stating is very different remember before the 98 MrO the bust up between Levrone and Chad Nicholls over Plasma expanders.

[trab]

Its like the rumour that some Bodybuilders Pros that will go unamed had blood tranfusions prior to stepping on stage.
I will make it very clear i agree with you 100% percent on cyclists when EPO came out over 14 young healthy cyclists died from complications but what i am stating is very different remember before the 98 MrO the bust up between Levrone and Chad Nicholls over Plasma expanders.

I'm not that tuned in on the Plasma thing. Only the guys themselves know.
This is a tailor made game for  excess and obsession. I cant help but think plenty of them stop when they run out of injection sites. Then theres allways orals.
Drugs are a strange thing. One person feels like death on what another thrives on.

I don't doubt that Munzner Death stack one bit.  Its like competitive eating, man is driven to see HOW Much anything he can do. I doubt ALL the O competitors regularly use that much gas, but I bet it blow your mind what they've tried.

 

[EL Mariachi]

There is definetely something up with gh15, its no lie. you never see shawn, chick, lee or any other bodybuilder on this board talk to him. they re all disqusted that he is telling some stuff, that shouldnt be told. Milos can try to protect the truth, but its no use.

[G]

My buddy Phil Hernon (IFBB) said that he typically used 500mgs of test a week when not in precontest mode, and for contests he upped that to 750, added 400mgs of deca (weekly), and 50mgs of winstrol + 20mgs of Dbol (Daily).

I have no reason to doubt him. He competed in the 90's.

  i remember him saying something like that on promuscle, he also said that he went up to 280 lbs, 10 bf, just on prohormones, but it s hard to believe.

[TheDoctor]

I really dont know anymore with all the conflicting posts on this thread whos on what.Only the experience of the top bodybuilders with exotic drugs such as HGH,IGF,insulin maybe they play a major role in some not all bodybuilder sucess with the advent of distended stomachs, sheer mass.
The three amigos who i have mentioned before are in another state and i usually get a call from one them or an email with pics telling me the insane shit they take and there gains very similiar to what GH15 talk about.
Maybe Milos is right they take 1 gram of test 1 gram of deca and some other small amount of androgens cycle it properly for the longevity of there careers and use a boatload of HGH,Insulin,IGF and have fantastic genetics who knows i can only go off personel drug use the cycle i was running would probaly have killed a horse in the long run.
For one i believe Lee Priest in using small amounts the guys a mutant but i will always have my doubts about Cutler and Coleman they are so fucking Huge even if they lie about there contest weights ,have met Coleman in person not long after the Olympia in europe and i was gobsmacked how thick and vascular he was not to mention wide he was a shaved gorrila.
The truth is out there but the line is definately blurred in my opinion whether GH15 is exagerating or Milos is correct.I really dont know anymore.?

[Arnold jr]

If there using such small amounts why were the bodybuilders of the 70s small compared to say Dorian.Thing that make you go HMMM

Make you go hmmmm? No, not really. Although there were many great BB's back then, no one ever takes into account that these guys did not cycle properly, nor did they get hog wild with their diets like today’s top guys do. Many would scoff at the idea that ones diet had/has anything to do with the comparison, but these are the people that have no idea to what they are talking about.

the answer is somewhere in between, larger doses than you and me take but not that crazy shit dummy 15 wrote, you'd hardly have time to train would be a human pin cushion or dart board.
Truth is Milos nor anyone else can tell us what everyone does..but they all do AAS, GH and Slin at the upper level all of them no doubt about it.

Yes, the "majority truth" does most likely lie in between...but there are still some that fall into both the Milos and GH15 realms. Also, not all of these guys use insulin like you think they do...common misconception IMO. But use it, yes...to a degree depending on the person. But just like anything, there are those that don't.

1st Off People who never used the stuff got no Biz talking about it.  ONLY Reason I ever put my 2cents worth on GB is.... I was gonna rip my hair out and scream if I read another young guy about to Fuck himself up  silly with BBing DOPE!

Amen to that bro!

hahahaha, another clown who knows the pros personally.

hahahaha, you need to know who you're addressing your comments to before you make them. Not doing so makes you look like a dumb ass.

Remember "Palumboism"?



DIV

Yes, I remember it...I also remember that the idea is total bullshit.

There is definetely something up with gh15, its no lie. you never see shawn, chick, lee or any other bodybuilder on this board talk to him. they re all disqusted that he is telling some stuff, that shouldnt be told. Milos can try to protect the truth, but its no use.

Until GH15 makes some attempt to prove his credibility, then he has none IMO. This would not be to hard to do, and he could do so and still protect his identity. All he would need to do is to let Ron know who he is, then Ron could vouch for him being a top 10 IFBB guy...his name would never have to be mentioned.

[TheDoctor]

Make you go hmmmm? No, not really. Although there were many great BB's back then, no one ever takes into account that these guys did not cycle properly, nor did they get hog wild with their diets like today’s top guys do. Many would scoff at the idea that ones diet had/has anything to do with the comparison, but these are the people that have no idea to what they are talking about.

Yes, the "majority truth" does most likely lie in between...but there are still some that fall into both the Milos and GH15 realms. Also, not all of these guys use insulin like you think they do...common misconception IMO. But use it, yes...to a degree depending on the person. But just like anything, there are those that don't.

Amen to that bro!
hahahaha, you need to know who you're addressing your comments to before you make them. Not doing so makes you look like a dumb ass.

Yes, I remember it...I also remember that the idea is total bullshit.

Until GH15 makes some attempt to prove his credibility, then he has none IMO. This would not be to hard to do, and he could do so and still protect his identity. All he would need to do is to let Ron know who he is, then Ron could vouch for him being a top 10 IFBB guy...his name would never have to be mentioned.

What is your opinion on Serge Nubret and Sergio Oliva with todays advances in nutrition and exotic drugs such as Insulin,HGH,IGF how would they compete or look like in the 21st century.

[Arnold jr]

What is your opinion on Serge Nubret and Sergio Oliva with todays advances in nutrition and exotic drugs such as Insulin,HGH,IGF how would they compete or look like in the 21st century.

More then likely bigger, harder, denser, etc. But as for a speculation on their overall look or how they would place...hard to say, because we're simply talking about a "what if" kind of question.

[trab]

More then likely bigger, harder, denser, etc. But as for a speculation on their overall look or how they would place...hard to say, because we're simply talking about a "what if" kind of question.

I think Sergio had the best chassis (one of) we ever seen. Serge couldn't put on the bulk it take to be in the running today no matter what. It just wouldn't look good on him even if he could. This all get like what color corvette you want though. My opinion stinks to guys that want that wasp like look. I respect that opinion. It looks impractical, weak and vulnerable to me.
World need corvettes and Hummers, all got a beauty they own.

[pumpster]

What is your opinion on Serge Nubret and Sergio Oliva with todays advances in nutrition and exotic drugs such as Insulin,HGH,IGF how would they compete or look like in the 21st century.

The difference would probably be something like Coleman 99 vs 03; considerably bigger overall including waist which in their case they could get away with.

[BEAST 8692]

Make you go hmmmm? No, not really. Although there were many great BB's back then, no one ever takes into account that these guys did not cycle properly, nor did they get hog wild with their diets like today’s top guys do. Many would scoff at the idea that ones diet had/has anything to do with the comparison, but these are the people that have no idea to what they are talking about.

Yes, the "majority truth" does most likely lie in between...but there are still some that fall into both the Milos and GH15 realms. Also, not all of these guys use insulin like you think they do...common misconception IMO. But use it, yes...to a degree depending on the person. But just like anything, there are those that don't.

Amen to that bro!
hahahaha, you need to know who you're addressing your comments to before you make them. Not doing so makes you look like a dumb ass.

Yes, I remember it...I also remember that the idea is total bullshit.

Until GH15 makes some attempt to prove his credibility, then he has none IMO. This would not be to hard to do, and he could do so and still protect his identity. All he would need to do is to let Ron know who he is, then Ron could vouch for him being a top 10 IFBB guy...his name would never have to be mentioned.

why do people keep saying that bbers from the 60s - 80s didn't go hog wild with their diets?

where do you think the term 'bulking up' came from?

these guys ate like pigs in the off season.

bbers are larger today for the same reason linemen are all weighing over 300lbs today as opposed to 230-250 in the 60s and 70s and linemen actually had a higher body fat percentage and ate more back then.

much much heavier anabolics use, gh, insulin and igf1 are the big reasons.

i really can't understand why some of you guys can't see right through milos' bullshit.

i can only ask the naive and deluded 2 simple questions:

1. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT MILOS SARCEV IS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT CURRENT PRO BBERS, OF WHICH HE PERSONALLY TRAINS SEVERAL, ARE TAKING MASSIVE DOSAGES OF GEAR

2. ON THE EVE OF MARKETING ONE OF HIS MOST HYPED SUPPLEMENTS WOULD HE ACTUALLY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE PRODUCT HAD ABOUT AS MUCH TO DO WITH CREATING AN ANABOLIC ENVIRONMENT AS A CAN OF COLA?
actually, at 25grams of high gi carbs a serve vs the coke's 60 grams of high gi carbs per serve, the coke is probably more anabolic if we are attempting to induce a natural insulin spike, which is exactly where milos is going with this bullshit...and they call this man the 'mind'.

he probably got that moniker from one of you fuck wits.

[njflex]

I think Sergio had the best chassis (one of) we ever seen. Serge couldn't put on the bulk it take to be in the running today no matter what. It just wouldn't look good on him even if he could. This all get like what color corvette you want though. My opinion stinks to guys that want that wasp like look. I respect that opinion. It looks impractical, weak and vulnerable to me.
World need corvettes and Hummers, all got a beauty they own.

why do people keep saying that bbers from the 60s - 80s didn't go hog wild with their diets?

where do you think the term 'bulking up' came from?

these guys ate like pigs in the off season.

bbers are larger today for the same reason linemen are all weighing over 300lbs today as opposed to 230-250 in the 60s and 70s and linemen actually had a higher body fat percentage and ate more back then.

much much heavier anabolics use, gh, insulin and igf1 are the big reasons.

i really can't understand why some of you guys can't see right through milos' bullshit.

i can only ask the naive and deluded 2 simple questions:

1. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT MILOS SARCEV IS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT CURRENT PRO BBERS, OF WHICH HE PERSONALLY TRAINS SEVERAL, ARE TAKING MASSIVE DOSAGES OF GEAR

2. ON THE EVE OF MARKETING ONE OF HIS MOST HYPED SUPPLEMENTS WOULD HE ACTUALLY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE PRODUCT HAD ABOUT AS MUCH TO DO WITH CREATING AN ANABOLIC ENVIRONMENT AS A CAN OF COLA?
actually, at 25grams of high gi carbs a serve vs the coke's 60 grams of high gi carbs per serve, the coke is probably more anabolic if we are attempting to induce a natural insulin spike, which is exactly where milos is going with this bullshit...and they call this man the 'mind'.

he probably got that moniker from one of you fuck wits.

good post but theirs a gray area,and whether u believe or not milos has his opinion on his practices.

[BEAST 8692]

good post but theirs a gray area,and whether u believe or not milos has his opinion on his practices.

yes he does but if you think he's going to be stupid enough to talk about it on a public message board just as he's launching his most hyped product to date and also considering the past niggling he's had with the DEA...well, i'd just like to introduce you to some prime real estate i got up on the north pole (hey, it's sunny this time of year and santa lives right next door).

it is MOST DEFINITELY in milos' extremely best interest to talk down pro bber gear usage at this time and i would venture to say it's not a coincidence that he actually is taking the party supplement industry line that less is more.

do you see milos posting on the steroid board?

have you EVER SEEN MILOS POSTING ON THE STEROID BOARD???

i don't know who gh15 is and i don't know how much he knows but you can bet your first born that he's much more likely to give you an honest answer on this message board on gear usage than milos will.

hell, adonis is much more likely to give you an honest answer on gear usage.

[trab]

RE: The Coke comment above. I watched Tom Platz slug a Pepsi down right before a killer arm workout in the 80's. He also said nutrition is way overblown. Tom - "I can grow on spaghetti".

[Arnold jr]

why do people keep saying that bbers from the 60s - 80s didn't go hog wild with their diets?

All I meant by that statement is that those guys did not get scientific with their diets. There wasn't the in depth detail and planning that some of the guys go into now. They just ate when bulking and ate a little less when dieting.
Speaking of guys from the 70's and their diets, did anyone ever read what Frank Zane supposedly ate? I'm not a Zane fan, but hey, he did win a few shows, but his dieting methods prove that a lot of guys back then just did whatever they wanted to get by. In his book, he states that when preparing for a show, he would always drink only lite-beer...that makes me laugh.

[trab]

All I meant by that statement is that those guys did not get scientific with their diets. There wasn't the in depth detail and planning that some of the guys go into now. They just ate when bulking and ate a little less when dieting.
Speaking of guys from the 70's and their diets, did anyone ever read what Frank Zane supposedly ate? I'm not a Zane fan, but hey, he did win a few shows, but his dieting methods prove that a lot of guys back then just did whatever they wanted to get by. In his book, he states that when preparing for a show, he would always drink only lite-beer...that makes me laugh.

Zane built a impressive build on a light frame. Nothing to sneeze at, but I think it a travesty Fox played 3rd string to a bunch of these underwear models. Ah.. fassion and politics (mainly MAGAZINE PROFFITS - Now THAT is a 10pg long PMS Bitch a thon in itself!)
 I BETTER NOT go there, Joe'll put a hit on me .

[BEAST 8692]

RE: The Coke comment above. I watched Tom Platz slug a Pepsi down right before a killer arm workout in the 80's. He also said nutrition is way overblown. Tom - "I can grow on spaghetti".

haha...that sounds like tom.

tom was a very honest man when it came to his seminars. they were off the hook.

actually, i will always remember an answer he gave to a q at one of his seminars and i think it's very relevant with regard to this particular thread.

question: "how much gear do you take tom?" (yes, i know, real original that one).

answer: "i cut back a little on the dosage when my eyes start going yellow."

now, the reason why the question is relevant is because, as i said, tom was very honest when it came to his seminars. when it came to a more public audience his public relations antenna was on full alert, just like milos.

i remember lmao when i read a q and a with tom in one of the mags post retirement about his pro career drug usage.

he said that he always used very little (he actually said something like 1 tab of dball a day) with some straight from the rectum explanation about how he didn't need much because he had a lot of 'natural sarcoplasm' in his muscles.

have we got any current pics of tom platz? just so we can see how much 'natural sarcoplasm' he currently has in his muscles.

[BEAST 8692]

All I meant by that statement is that those guys did not get scientific with their diets. There wasn't the in depth detail and planning that some of the guys go into now. They just ate when bulking and ate a little less when dieting.
Speaking of guys from the 70's and their diets, did anyone ever read what Frank Zane supposedly ate? I'm not a Zane fan, but hey, he did win a few shows, but his dieting methods prove that a lot of guys back then just did whatever they wanted to get by. In his book, he states that when preparing for a show, he would always drink only lite-beer...that makes me laugh.

yes, you're cool aj. just making a fairly broad point.

i might disagree with you somewhat on this point though.

i am of the opinion that the distended gut has absolutely nothing to do with bulking diets or what foods they eat and EVERYTHING to do with drugs, namely gh and insulin in long term, regular and large dosage.