JOJ now on team Milos !

[Bluto]

Older people don't have regeneration abilities like younger people. I have always made the best gains when i was pushing myself over the limit, be it with a HST or a HIT program or DC, which i am currently at.

I have worked out at a gym that was specialized on rehab and old people for a long time, and the PT all had some sort of medical degree. All of them were saying that old people should do resistance training without going to muscle failure because it would overload their nervous system.

but it overloads everyones nervous system. not just old people.

[DK II]

but it overloads everyones nervous system. not just old people.

Yes, you're right.

But as regeneration is faster in young people, they can overload their system in training over a time and then, as in DC cruising, heal up and start again.

Old people would not be able to do that as they overload very fast and need a loooong time to heal up.

[BEAST 8692]

"so, imo, if what your doing is making you stronger"

then what? complete the sentence

lol, sorry about that. i got lost in all the variables i guess.

IMO hypertrophy is best accomplished by both increasing it's contactile force + the muscle's energy supply.

i think we all agree that hypertrophy is not going to be a continuem unless it has to, because 240lb ripped humans is not what nature intended (too energy expensive to run) so nature ie your body will fight you all the way ie homeostasis.

the only way to overcome that is to make your body an offer it can't refuse ie force it to adapt.

of course it's not that simple and if you're not smart about it, your body will resist and make you an offer you can't refuse ie cut back or i'll hurt you.

so, IMO, the only way to get around that is to make sure you adapt in a positive incline, but don't do anything your body can't handle. basically you need to train like an animal (well, you want to look like one don't you?), but listen to your body's signals. this is the hard part and if you don't know your body very well you will probably need a good trainer.

thing is, unless you're an athlete, marine or someone that has pushed his/her body to it's true breaking point, you have no idea what your body is capable of. when i see recreational bbers training in the gym i'm shocked by how easy they take things eg. chatting between sets, slapping on a few weights here, a few there, looking in the mirror all the time/other people, checking their hair/nails, huffing and puffing/roaring, ILS - it's fucking ridiculous and it's not hard to see why they don't progress. why would your body progress under these conditions, it's snoring it's fucking head off.

my advice is to forget what you think your failure point is, forget the nervous system or what you're going to eat/drink, forget how you look (apart from getting the proper mind set focused on the muscle your training using ALL your sensory powers), forget who's watching/what they might think, forget gym ettiquette etc and focus on what matters ie training heavy, hard and focused and push yourself to your true breaking point.

[dodster]

Garrateh doesn't have a gut moron.

yes he does no where as big as Dennis James, but its still there look closely - he should have a vacuum in these poses. it must what milos gives everybody he ruining physiques.

[DK II]

I don't know what it is, but he looks like shit.

tits are bad too. maybe the skin??

[bigdumbbell]

I don't know what it is, but he looks like shit.

tits are bad too. maybe the skin??

oh lighten up, he's a work in progress

[DK II]

oh lighten up, he's a work in progress

ok ok, i'm sorry.

[slaveboy1980]

would u label dorian yates as one of these stupid fucks, cos thats the approach he took. one set to failure. he counteracted this failure by resting more.

however he has said that not many people could handle the way he trained genetically. (so they would have to do even less than him)

not completely true...dorian did lower his volume compared to what bodybuilders did in the 80s (i agree about that)..but several people say that he didnt do the routines he said he did in the magazines . Personally i dont think this is true tho, and i dont think yates completely lied about that.(stretched the truth tho.).but..: if you look at his videos what he does isnt that much different from what anyone else does..just that he doesnt count the pyramid sets....so he was basically doing the same amount of sets as cormier, levrone, ray, ronnie etc...Thats one of the big things that are never mentioned in the HIT vs volume discussions..how you count warmup and pyramid sets (when doing a pyramid up to a top weight) Also yates never did exactly what mentzer advocated..he had his own version which isnt that much different from what the majority of prose do. The magazines and yates himself have tried to distance yates trainingstyle from that of other pros do, partly inorder to create a niche, and make money of it.

Mentzer also tried to take credite for yates success, and even claimed he trained yates which is bullshit as yates never had a "trainer", sure he had people help him out but never a trainer. Yates did spend 3 days training with mentzer in the early 90s..but he always adapted things and did his own way. Besides training with yates for 3 days doesnt make mentzer yates trainer. the fact that mentzer trained with yates for 3 days was something he used in his personal training business, but he exaggerated it.

another important aspect, is that all you hear when talking about dorian is that he got big and won olympia thanks to his training style..i dont agree with this..i think he would have been even bigger or gotten to the size he reached ..even faster with abit more volume. This doesnt mean that im saying he should do an 80s split..and do every bodypart twice a week with 25 sets each time. instead  im saying he could have done 3 working sets on each exercise,  (which he also recommends to bodybuilders in his articles...sometimes he says 1 and 2 working sets per exercise too) for a total of 12-20sets working sets ,and not pushed to failure as often he did. And to be honest...i dont think it matters what the fuck he did..as dorian was on so much hormones that how he trained didnt matter that much. Also yates consistency would have made most training programmes work.

[slaveboy1980]

All that arguing about which training style is best is total BS.

Dorian was big with HIT, Mentzer was big with HIT, Arnold did 20sets of squats three times in one day.

It's not fucking rocket science, it's about forcing the body into getting stronger. Rest is proper nutrition (and of course drugs)

true. just fucking go to the gym and workout hard!

but dont be so damn scared of overtraining folks!

[UK Gold]

lol, sorry about that. i got lost in all the variables i guess.

IMO hypertrophy is best accomplished by both increasing it's contactile force + the muscle's energy supply.

i think we all agree that hypertrophy is not going to be a continuem unless it has to, because 240lb ripped humans is not what nature intended (too energy expensive to run) so nature ie your body will fight you all the way ie homeostasis.

the only way to overcome that is to make your body an offer it can't refuse ie force it to adapt.

of course it's not that simple and if you're not smart about it, your body will resist and make you an offer you can't refuse ie cut back or i'll hurt you.

so, IMO, the only way to get around that is to make sure you adapt in a positive incline, but don't do anything your body can't handle. basically you need to train like an animal (well, you want to look like one don't you?), but listen to your body's signals. this is the hard part and if you don't know your body very well you will probably need a good trainer.

thing is, unless you're an athlete, marine or someone that has pushed his/her body to it's true breaking point, you have no idea what your body is capable of. when i see recreational bbers training in the gym i'm shocked by how easy they take things eg. chatting between sets, slapping on a few weights here, a few there, looking in the mirror all the time/other people, checking their hair/nails, huffing and puffing/roaring, ILS - it's fucking ridiculous and it's not hard to see why they don't progress. why would your body progress under these conditions, it's snoring it's fucking head off.

my advice is to forget what you think your failure point is, forget the nervous system or what you're going to eat/drink, forget how you look (apart from getting the proper mind set focused on the muscle your training using ALL your sensory powers), forget who's watching/what they might think, forget gym ettiquette etc and focus on what matters ie training heavy, hard and focused and push yourself to your true breaking point.

With all your expert knowledge you must be a monster, 'BEAST 8962'

1] Milos competed and was sucessful in the toughest era of bodybuilding.

2] He is still regarded as having one of the best physiques on the planet.

3] He trains many champions, ex champions and future champions. All go to him for expert 'advices' on training, diet, supplemants and 'science'.

4] He is known throughout the industry as someone that speaks his mind and genuinely wants to promote the sport of bodybuilding. [Shawn and Lee Thompson]

5] Instead of sitting on his ass and complaining about dodgy placings and corrupt officials, he is actually doing something about it

6] He has a gorgeous wife. [off topic, but i bet you haven't]

YOU are an anonymous internet warrior that probably doesn't even work out. Yep, Milos has got alot to fear from you, 'BEAST 8962'

[DK II]

true. just fucking go to the gym and workout hard!

but dont be so damn scared of overtraining folks!

When i was doing HST, i was having 3h workouts. when i came home i had to sleep 4 hours because i was so exhausted.

The time is the main reason i do HIT or DC. HST is great, but i have a gf, a job and friends. It's impossible to train 3 hours 3-4 times a week and sleep 4 hours afterwards. 

[UK Gold]

i have a gf, a job and friends.

Sure you do

[slaveboy1980]

When i was doing HST, i was having 3h workouts. when i came home i had to sleep 4 hours because i was so exhausted.

The time is the main reason i do HIT or DC. HST is great, but i have a gf, a job and friends. It's impossible to train 3 hours 3-4 times a week and sleep 4 hours afterwards. 

  i can an understand that. i been busy as hell lately too!
HIT is for lazy people. but ill stay out of that discussion....almost all true HITTERS look like shit and get detrained and unathletic.

one final thing:

you dont need a perfect routine ;consistency over 3, 5, 10, 15 years, will take away the need to optimize anything.

besides ..as a natural there is only so far you can go. if you have 100 meters of distance to cover..does it really matter if you walk, drive a ferrari, take a bike or crawl....if you have 10 years time to cover the distance? a few seconds more or less, wont make a difference in the end.

[DK II]

Sure you do

If you ever come to germany give me a call.

I'll be marrying in august, my future wife will make a nice japanese dinner and then we'll go to a real german Biergarten and get tanked. 

[bigdumbbell]

If you ever come to germany give me a call.

I'll be marrying in august, my future wife will make a nice japanese dinner and then we'll go to a real german Biergarten and get tanked. 

just curious are you near bavaria?

[DK II]

i can an understand that. i been busy as hell lately too!
HIT is for lazy people. but ill stay out of that discussion....almost all true HITTERS look like shit and get detrained and unathletic.

one final thing:

you dont need a perfect routine ;consistency over 3, 5, 10, 15 years, will take away the need to optimize anything.

besides ..as a natural there is only so far you can go. if you have 100 meters of distance to cover..does it really matter if you walk, drive a ferrari, take a bike or crawl....if you have 10 years time to cover the distance? a few seconds more or less, wont make a difference in the end.

I agree. There are some dudes in my gym in their 40s. They have NO fucking clue of how to train. 2 inch ROM reps, bad form, but they train consistently for 20 years and look good. Not perfect, but good.

They could look better though, most of them are lazy.

[UK Gold]

If you ever come to germany give me a call.

I'll be marrying in august, my future wife will make a nice japanese dinner and then we'll go to a real german Biergarten and get tanked. 

Will be in 'Krautland' next year for the Manowar festival!

HIT is for lazy people. but ill stay out of that discussion....almost all true HITTERS look like shit and get detrained and unathletic.

Most honest post of the day.

[DK II]

just curious are you near bavaria?

No, i'm living in the Ruhr area, near the netherlands.

[D.L. 5]

focus on what matters ie training heavy, hard and focused and push yourself to your true breaking point.

great post.

[DK II]

Will be in 'Krautland' next year for the Manowar festival!
Most honest post of the day.

When is it and where?

[D.L. 5]

Also yates never did exactly what mentzer advocated..he had his own version which isnt that much different from what the majority of prose do.

no he didnt, and mike commented on this.

however i still believe it is way different to wat other pro's do.

[UK Gold]

When is it and where?

This time next year, 'Bad Arolson'. A village in the middle of no where thats almost impossible to get to.

[D.L. 5]

i can an understand that. i been busy as hell lately too!
HIT is for lazy people. but ill stay out of that discussion....almost all true HITTERS look like shit and get detrained and unathletic.

you are not knowledge in exercise physiology. you are making generalizations.

and to your comment 'h.i.t is for lazy people', u couldnt last one workout with myself, mentzer, dorian, or dave palumbo.

to quote john romano "if u think u can't do a workout in 5-7 sets then you haven't trained with mentzer, dorian or myself'

end of story, why dont u show a picture of ur 'great physique' if ur routine works so well? come on post it.

[DK II]

This time next year, 'Bad Arolson'. A village in the middle of no where thats almost impossible to get to.

haha. Always the same with metal festivals.

If you're in the Ruhr area, i'll invite you to a beer. 

[UK Gold]

you are not knowledge in exercise physiology. you are making generalizations.

and to your comment 'h.i.t is for lazy people', u couldnt last one workout with myself, mentzer, dorian, or dave palumbo.

to quote john romano "if u think u can't do a workout in 5-7 sets then you haven't trained with mentzer, dorian or myself'

end of story, why dont u show a picture of ur 'great physique' if ur routine works so well? come on post it.

dorian would do about 16 sets. don't include him in your 'HIT' crusade.

Mentzer was a druggie and Palumbo is a convicted crook that looks like shit. Great examples