UPRIGHT ROWS

[The Squadfather]

do any of you guys do them? if so what's your opinion of them? i have no problem with shoulder width or side delts but i'm thinking of adding them in on shoulders for something different.

[trab]

Good prehab for your heavy benchpress (esp if shirted) DB's give a free ROM.

I also like to do a shoulder rotation @ top often (like that stupid shoulder horn aparatus).

Got to save them delts if you want years out of 'em at this  Biz.

[Rimbaud]

I love them. I usually do them on Back/Shoulder say. I vary my grip constantly - keeps the muscle(s) on their toes.

[trab]

I love them. I usually do them on Back/Shoulder say. I vary my grip constantly - keeps the muscle(s) on their toes.

The EZ curl bar also has a nice feel/ fit for me.

I also put as much chain I can handle on 2  single curling handles off the pressdown unit. The chain gets heavier as more comes up off the floor. 

[Rimbaud]

The EZ curl bar also has a nice feel/ fit for me.

I like it as well.

[John O]

I would stay far away from this movement. It can end your training career if you do it heavy and often.

The position that your arms get placed in when doing the upright row causes what is called "impingement". Every time you raise the bar up, the bones in your shoulders pinch the tendons in your rotator cuff. This can cause instant pain in some people (myself included - I can't even do the movement without weight without hurting) but will inevitably lead to long-term degeneration of the structures of the shoulder joint.

[trab]

I would stay far away from this movement. It can end your training career if you do it heavy and often.

The position that your arms get placed in when doing the upright row causes what is called "impingement". Every time you raise the bar up, the bones in your shoulders pinch the tendons in your rotator cuff. This can cause instant pain in some people (myself included - I can't even do the movement without weight without hurting) but will inevitably lead to long-term degeneration of the structures of the shoulder joint.

I agree w/ you if its a straight bar. V hard on the joints.
 Thets why I like  the DBs, and single handles w/ tractor chain.

[John O]

Great point Trab!

[thewickedtruth]

love'em..both the barbell and dumbbell version.

[The_Crusher]

I would stay far away from this movement. It can end your training career if you do it heavy and often.

The position that your arms get placed in when doing the upright row causes what is called "impingement". Every time you raise the bar up, the bones in your shoulders pinch the tendons in your rotator cuff. This can cause instant pain in some people (myself included - I can't even do the movement without weight without hurting) but will inevitably lead to long-term degeneration of the structures of the shoulder joint.

I thrid this John O,
 
     I used a lot of weight in this move with the E-Z curl bar when I first started lifting, now....I cannot even do the move without pain in the shoulders. Stay away from it!

[Brixtonbulldog]

I would stay far away from this movement. It can end your training career if you do it heavy and often.

The position that your arms get placed in when doing the upright row causes what is called "impingement". Every time you raise the bar up, the bones in your shoulders pinch the tendons in your rotator cuff. This can cause instant pain in some people (myself included - I can't even do the movement without weight without hurting) but will inevitably lead to long-term degeneration of the structures of the shoulder joint.

Sticking to moderate weight and using a wide grip eliminates this problem.

I love em and have added a lot of width with em.

I would also suggest bending forward slightly (along with the wide grip) to better emphasize the medial and rear delts.

[Yev33]

I do them with the straight bar and don't go past 135lbs. usually. I also don't bring the bar up to my chin, I go up to chest level and not any higher. I found that this way is the most comfortable for me and hits my traps real well. Do you guys think that I can still hurt myself even though I don't have any pain doing the movement? The only time it ever felt uncomfortable is when I brought the bar up to my chin.

[thewickedtruth]

I do them with the straight bar and don't go past 135lbs. usually. I also don't bring the bar up to my chin, I go up to chest level and not any higher. I found that this way is the most comfortable for me and hits my traps real well. Do you guys think that I can still hurt myself even though I don't have any pain doing the movement? The only time it ever felt uncomfortable is when I brought the bar up to my chin.

Now I don't know about the only going to 135lbs part, sound like someone is doing some whining to me. . But, his method of doing them is the same way I've done them to really put some width on my frame in the shoulders. I routinely go up to 185lbs if not venturing up to 225 from time to time for heavy sets. Use a grip a little wider than shoulder width, and bring the bar up to yoru nipple line. WREAKS SOME FUCKING HAVOC!

[Rimbaud]

I would stay far away from this movement. It can end your training career if you do it heavy and often.

The position that your arms get placed in when doing the upright row causes what is called "impingement". Every time you raise the bar up, the bones in your shoulders pinch the tendons in your rotator cuff. This can cause instant pain in some people (myself included - I can't even do the movement without weight without hurting) but will inevitably lead to long-term degeneration of the structures of the shoulder joint.

Good advice & some excellent points. Which is why I tend to use a wider grip & lightier weight/higher reps (15+ reps).

[Mike]

Good advice & some excellent points. Which is why I tend to use a wider grip & lightier weight/higher reps (15+ reps).

John O has it spot on.  I usually have my people do either DB upright rows (like Trab said) or BB High Pulls.

[jpm101]

One of my favorite exercises is the up-right row. Keep the bar close to the body for less stress on the shoulder joints when using a close grip. The wider the grip the more up-right rows fall into the Hi-Pull class of exercise. Which in turn seems to affect the lateral delt head more in most men than the regular up-right row. Both versions hit the traps quite well also.

Can do partial Up-Right rows or Hi-Pull rack work, from about mid thigh range to just below the nipple. A power compound lift, where a lot of weight can be moved. Results can be thick delts, traps and biceps. Good Luck.

[coltrane]

if you decide to do them, go light.

John O is dead on with this one!

[jpm101]

If for any reason you are cautious about the up-right row, and using a heavier weight, than you might consider the pre-exhaust method. Used with a moderate weight. Do a set of shrugs immediately followed by a set of up-right rows. The traps are taxed (major part of the lift) by the shrugs so they can not assist that well with the up-rights. When doing the up-rights next, the delts take over (with help from the biceps) when doing the exercise. Making it a even better delt exercise.  Lateral raises also work well with up-right rows, using the pre-exhaust method. Lateral raises first. Something like that classic delt pre-exhaust scheme of doing Lateral raises (more focused on the delts) first than the press behind the neck (compound shoulder exercise) right after. Good Luck.

[pumpster]

Low pulley using a rope attachment or anything other than straight bar along with moderate weight hits the spot and shouldn't hurt the shoulders.

[trab]

Yeah, or again, the Jump Stretch bands w/ a handle is a good feel.
Total freedom of movement. Some awefully thick PLers use those bands lots.

If the wrists/ shoulders are sending a MSG, its time to listen and change things up.

[coltrane]

Low pulley using a rope attachment or anything other than straight bar along with moderate weight hits the spot and shouldn't hurt the shoulders.

good advices

[Devon97]

I agree w/ you if its a straight bar. V hard on the joints.
 Thets why I like  the DBs, and single handles w/ tractor chain.

Even if you use DB's it still promotes SEVERE internal rotation of the humerus. Same as Bench dips. Why in the world would someone want to promote further internal rotation of the humerus is beyond me.

I say its a near worthless exercise.

[pumpster]

Even if you use DB's it still promotes SEVERE internal rotation of the humerus. Same as Bench dips. Why in the world would someone want to promote further internal rotation of the humerus is beyond me.

I say its a near worthless exercise.

Ya, there are other exercises. But if you feel they add something different, all of the above including moderate-high reps and different grips will help to avoid problems.

[Fury]

I've started doing them again a few months ago. I keep the reps around 10-15, don't go above my nipples and usually keep a wider grip. Shoulders have been feeling pretty good.

[NoCalBbEr]

I agree w/ you if its a straight bar. V hard on the joints.
 Thets why I like  the DBs, and single handles w/ tractor chain.

upright rows has little risk compaired to some of the other movements like the bench or deads.  if you do a  the movement for shoulders, you should only come up to your lower chest. and  there's no joints at that angle.  but when you bring it  all the way up. thats the problem