Vince, a body part is a body part. The way you tell it is that calves should be the determining factor when first place is awarded, and this, my crusty old friend is wrong. While I'm at it, I'm gonna tell it like it is.............calves are a MINOR body part, and if a dude has a fabulous physique, with mediocre calves, he should still win, unless another dude can match him in every area, and has better calves, but the examples that you elude to are not the case.