Who is the strongest Getbig poster?

[BEAST 8692]

sorry coach, you have no idea.

functional strength, as pointed out to you, is relative but no matter what type of athlete you are, the best way to increase functional strength is with progressively heavier weights.

what you and shifted are talking about is sports specific strength re gymnastics. put it this way, if a fighter can throw a punch with thousands of pounds of force does that make him the strongest athlete alive? hell no, it just means he's learnt how to put his whole body with momentum into a punch. what about a sprinter and the thousands of pounds of power a sub 10 second 100 metre sprinter can generate each time his foot makes contact with the ground?

you get it yet?

get your head out of your ass and stop confusing technique, balance and sports specific strength with strength. as a personal trainer one would think this would be clear. or maybe you think you're a gymnastics coach now ...

[shiftedShapes]

sorry coach, you have no idea.

functional strength, as pointed out to you, is relative but no matter what type of athlete you are, the best way to increase functional strength is with progressively heavier weights.

what you and shifted are talking about is sports specific strength re gymnastics. put it this way, if a fighter can throw a punch with thousands of pounds of force does that make him the strongest athlete alive? hell no, it just means he's learnt how to put his whole body with momentum into a punch. what about a sprinter and the thousands of pounds of power a sub 10 second 100 metre sprinter can generate each time his foot makes contact with the ground?

you get it yet?

get your head out of your ass and stop confusing technique, balance and sports specific strength with strength. as a personal trainer one would think this would be clear. or maybe you think you're a gymnastics coach now ...

nice try stupid

[BEAST 8692]

nice try stupid

...and there you have it. like coach, you still can't come up with anything to support your point of view can you shitshape?

[shiftedShapes]

...and there you have it. like coach, you still can't come up with anything to support your point of view can you shitshape?

I think I did a pretty good job of summing it up on the last page

Powerlifting is all about finding the shortest easiest ROM to lift a given weight.  Bodyweight strength takes the opposite approach.  It is all about how large of a ROM through which you can move your body. 

Consequently powerlifters figure out how to move huge weights through very limited ROMs (i.e. sumo DL, arch back bench press, wide stance squat) but they are unable to support their body weight on one leg, hold a handstand, or even think about doing a planche or lever. 

Gymnasts on the other hand can support their bodyweight on any one limb (one arm, one leg) through almost 360 degrees of motion in three dimmensions, but because they do not train limited ROMs they cannot approach powerlifting numbers on the Big Three.  All strength is specific to the movements on which it is trained to a greater or lesser extent.  It's just a matter of how you orient your training.

Much respect to you for what you have achieved in your training, but have the same respect for those who have gone just as far in another direction.

-sS

Did you miss this? 

[BEAST 8692]

I think I did a pretty good job of summing it up on the last page

Did you miss this? 

no, i didn't miss it.

by your reasoning rom is everything when the reality it's not, otherwise those who practise yoga would be the strongest athletes in the world since they would have the greatest rom.

it's a silly argument and scientifically flawed since muscle contracts on an all or nothing basis, meaning that it doesn't partially contract based on partial movement. if it did none of us would be able to stand upright, never mind perform any movement.

[shiftedShapes]

no, i didn't miss it.

by your reasoning rom is everything when the reality it's not, otherwise those who practise yoga would be the strongest athletes in the world since they would have the greatest rom.

it's a silly argument and scientifically flawed since muscle contracts on an all or nothing basis, meaning that it doesn't partially contract based on partial movement. if it did none of us would be able to stand upright, never mind perform any movement.

you don't understand physics.  read up on torque.

[kiwiol]

no, i didn't miss it.

by your reasoning rom is everything when the reality it's not, otherwise those who practise yoga would be the strongest athletes in the world since they would have the greatest rom.

it's a silly argument and scientifically flawed since muscle contracts on an all or nothing basis, meaning that it doesn't partially contract based on partial movement. if it did none of us would be able to stand upright, never mind perform any movement.

I agree with you on this one too mate - it's strength vs power

Gymnasts have the strength to hold each other at different positions (pardon the dodgy way I put it ), but they don't have the power to lift a huge weight or push / lift something heavy.

Simply put, power equates to using strength to move a load from point A to point B - in other words, doing work (functional or not). As for the other guy who talks about powerlifters using partial ROM - get real dude. There's a few of them who do that for sure, but a lot of them (and others) use a full ROM

Plus, strength is relative whereas power is absolute - a woman would be called strong if she benched 2 plates, but she wouldn't have the power to bench or squat what someone like Wolfy does cause he's got more power and is far stronger.

[bigmc]

Kiwiol once told me he could do push ups with a 20 stone man on his back


true story

[kiwiol]

Kiwiol once told me he could do push ups with a 20 stone man on his back


true story

Are you talking about the time when you replied back saying, "Why would you want to do that - I always stay close to my man"?

[shiftedShapes]

Another important difference between powerlifters and Bodyweight strength athletes is that powerlifters try to capitalize on momentum (maybe not quite as much as olympic lifters) but bodyweight athletes try to lift without the aide of momentum, no swing.

try to do a muscle up like this (beginning of the clip), without any jerk and see for yourself how much harder it is:

[BEAST 8692]

you don't understand physics.  read up on torque.

you don't understand kinesiology, biology and simple common dog fuck, get your head out of your ass and your gymnastics buddy's.

I agree with you on this one too mate - it's strength vs power

Gymnasts have the strength to hold each other at different positions (pardon the dodgy way I put it ), but they don't have the power to lift a huge weight or push / lift something heavy.

Simply put, power equates to using strength to move a load from point A to point B - in other words, doing work (functional or not). As for the other guy who talks about powerlifters using partial ROM - get real dude. There's a few of them who do that for sure, but a lot of them (and others) use a full ROM

Plus, strength is relative whereas power is absolute - a woman would be called strong if she benched 2 plates, but she wouldn't have the power to bench or squat what someone like Wolfy does cause he's got more power and is far stronger.

exactly, strength is strength. it's not dependant on anything.

i suspect your understanding might help to reason why you have ten times more muscle mass than shitshape, but then he's probably 'functionally stronger' than you.

[bigmc]

Are you talking about the time when you replied back saying, "Why would you want to do that - I always stay close to my man"?

 

so you remember saying that


gayer than dancing

[shiftedShapes]

you don't understand kinesiology, biology and simple common dog fuck, get your head out of your ass and your gymnastics buddy's.

exactly, strength is strength. it's not dependant on anything.

i suspect your understanding might help to reason why you have ten times more muscle mass than shitshape, but then he's probably 'functionally stronger' than you.

You are on ignore because you are both stupid and unwilling to learn, I can't help you, sorry.

[kiwiol]

exactly, strength is strength. it's not dependant on anything.

i suspect your understanding might help to reason why you have ten times more muscle mass than shitshape, but then he's probably 'functionally stronger' than you.

Yeah, the absolute strength of someone can't be simply compared to that of another person cause various other factors come into play - such as your bodyweight (or muscle size or gender or whatever). So in proportion, a person who benches twice their bodyweight would be inherently stronger than a person who can only do 1.5 times their bodyweight.

But your body's power, be it when it comes to pushing a stalled vehicle or doing some lift like the bench press is an easily measurable attribute and should be the judging criteria for measuring where you stand in the overall picture - simply put, a guy who benches 700 lbs is far stronger than a guy who benches 200 lbs, no matter what their BF levels are, or what their bodyweight is.

so you remember saying that


gayer than dancing

Well I used it to get the restraining order against you, so Hell Yeah I remember

[bigmc]

don't you mean a straining order

for when you are doing your brokeback push ups

[shiftedShapes]

Yeah, the absolute strength of someone can't be simply compared to that of another person cause various other factors come into play - such as your bodyweight (or muscle size or gender or whatever). So in proportion, a person who benches twice their bodyweight would be inherently stronger than a person who can only do 1.5 times their bodyweight.

But your body's power, be it when it comes to pushing a stalled vehicle or doing some lift like the bench press is an easily measurable attribute and should be the judging criteria for measuring where you stand in the overall picture - simply put, a guy who benches 700 lbs is far stronger than a guy who benches 200 lbs, no matter what their BF levels are, or what their bodyweight is.

Well I used it to get the restraining order against you, so Hell Yeah I remember

you are comparing apples to oranges even with respect to power as you are failing to consider the influence of torquen (I won't bring up momentum now because I don't want to muddy the waters).  Like saying that a 135 lbs bench is just as impressive as a 135 lbs front latteral raise.

[kiwiol]

you are comparing apples to oranges even with respect to power as you are failing to consider the influence of torquen (I won't bring up momentum now because I don't want to muddy the waters).  Like saying that a 135 lbs bench is just as impressive as a 135 lbs front latteral raise.

You keep bring up Torque probably because you think no one here understands what it is and therefore won't dispute you when you say that as the key word. Unfortunately for you, I do

Torque, angular momentum, muscle tensile strength etc etc don't come into play dude - you are stuck in an island with say a handful of people. When there's a huge rock that needs to be moved, you'll have everyone realize in under one second that it's a job for a guy like Wolfy, not for the 5'1" chinese acrobat who can rest his body on his cock, no matter how much noise you make about the acrobat guy being 'functionally stronger' or looks cute in his tight outfit.

Hope that helps.

[charles-benner]

My main three lifts are as follows

Benchpress   405 x 6
squat          545  x 4
deadlift        585 x 2   

[bigmc]

My main three lifts are as follows

Benchpress   405 x 6
squat          545  x 4
deadlift        585 x 2   

got any vids

or is your camera broken

[shiftedShapes]

You keep bring up Torque probably because you think no one here understands what it is and therefore won't dispute you when you say that as the key word. Unfortunately for you, I do

Torque, angular momentum, muscle tensile strength etc etc don't come into play dude - you are stuck in an island with say a handful of people. When there's a huge rock that needs to be moved, you'll have everyone realise under one second it's for a guy like Wolfy, not for the 5'1" chinese acrobat who can rest his body on his cock.

Hope that helps.

well if you are talking about power as that term is used in physics then yes torque is a factor: Power = Torque x Angular Speed

[The Squadfather]

My main three lifts are as follows

Benchpress   405 x 6
squat          545  x 4
deadlift        585 x 2   

bullshit, let's see some proof.

[jason armstrong]

My main three lifts are as follows

Benchpress   405 x 6
squat          545  x 4
deadlift        585 x 2   

no offense "benner" but if you are that geeky schmoe that terrorized mcfarland and the women over at Mayhem you are a liar!
Are your thighs still rubbing together when you walk the treadmill?
What about that 28 inch waist and you being a TOP NPC competitor and natural to boot.

You were exposed over there as a skinny little geek.

[kiwiol]

well if you are talking about power as that term is used in physics then yes torque is a factor: Power = Torque x Angular Speed

The bottom line is, we are talking strength, pure and simple. And as with everything else that's an attribute, it's context dependent.

To give you an example, you may be the strongest in your family even though you weight 145 lbs soaking wet (apologies if you really do ) and I'm sure your frail, 90 lb mom calls you strong and even thinks that. And she'd be right cause in her frame of reference, you can do some pretty amazing things that she can't do - like open a new jar of peanut butter or lift 2 grocery bags at once (hopefully you can )

But then you go to a powerlifting meet where there's monsters like Wolfy. I don't need to tell you what the reaction would be if you claimed to be 'strong' - if the big guys are really nice as they are most of the times, they'll politely encourage you as long as you don't make a real fool of yourself.

So your gymnasts are cool cause they can do all those things which are impressive. But do most of us grown up guys think that that means they're stronger than a 300 lb NFL player who can bench over 400 lbs? Hardly

[onlyme]

I don't know what any of you are saying, but how do explain the freakish strength of a country who all day lifts hay bails and heavy equipment and is unreal strong but goes into the gym and can't bench his own bodyweight.  Mike Tyson is a good example.  He is strong as hell as a puncher and looks like he lifts weights but when it comes down to it he is not very string in the gym.  How do you explain a world class powerlifter who can bench 600+, deadlift 900 and squat 900 yet he looses in an armwrestling match against a guy who is sub 200 lbs and has no visible muscle at all.  And check out the grip strength of a guy who swings a hammer 8 hours a day against a pro bodybuilder who lifts tons of weights a day.  To me functional strength is more impressive than weight room strength.  I know if I am ever in a situation where I need to hang onto something for dear life I would rather have functional strength than knowing i can bench 600. 

[jason armstrong]

We shold have a getbig powerlifting contest in conjunction with the bb contest.

bench squat dead