Rod Parsley: nutjob Christian preacher in Ohio

[columbusdude82]

Preacher, head of a megachurch in Colorado, president of the National Association of Evangelicals... google him

[loco]

Preacher, head of a megachurch in Colorado, president of the National Association of Evangelicals... google him

ok

[OzmO]

Well, if it doesn't bother you, then stop whining about it.  I don't care either.  And I was talking about threads that have nothing to do with either topic.

Who's is whining?   I'm just joking with you about it in the last few responses and in the other ones where i bring it up I'm only exposing it for what it is:   A weak ploy to distract from the original argument because yours is so unsubstantial. 

[Dos Equis]

I said in my first post that Parsley is "typical of the preachers of hate in this country." You say I try to portray all preachers as nuts.

I said no such thing, unless you think all preachers are preachers of hate! Do you think that?

As for your next claim, Christian or not, you don't have the right to impose your opinions on my testicles or anyone's private parts. Parsley appeals to the basest of instincts by promoting hatred of anyone who is different, e.g. Muslims, gays, and anyone who doesn't want to be subjected to Christianist fascism.

Of course, if you had watched the video to which I provided the link, you'd know all that.

Religion may talk about life in the next world, but it is all about grabbing power in this one. It cannot rest until it imposes its pettiest rules on the rest of us who want to be free from it. Talk about how "Religion Poisons Everything."

Not one time did these people think of living out their own Christianist values and minding their own business. Instead they want to legislate their Christianist values into law and force them on everyone else!

I don't impose my views on anyone.  Neither do people like Parsley.  If you disagree with him or any other Christian then go vote.  If people don't want legislated Christian values then they can vote against those issues.  Again, what's the big deal?  That's how democracy works.   

[loco]

Who's is whining?   I'm just joking with you about it in the last few responses and in the other ones where i bring it up I'm only exposing it for what it is:   A weak ploy to distract from the original argument because yours is so unsubstantial. 

OzmO,
I don't mind if you are joking or "exposing it for what it is".  The problem is that once you bring up something we have discussed over and over again in another thread, something that has nothing to do with the current topic, we will get the current thread off topic.  I will not just let it go, I will resume our discussion every time you do that.  

If you were not satisfied with my answers to your issues, then keep debating me on the topic in the appropriate thread, instead of abandoning the original discussion and bringing it up in other unrelated threads.

[columbusdude82]

Neither do people like Parsley. 

You don't notice the contradiction in your statements. You say he doesn't impose his views on others, then you admit he wants to legislate Christianist values...

[loco]

You don't notice the contradiction in your statements. You say he doesn't impose his views on others, then you admit he wants to legislate Christianist values...

columbusdude82,
Who are you addressing this to?

[columbusdude82]

Sorry, I quoted that from BeachBum's post. My bad.

[loco]

Sorry, I quoted that from BeachBum's post. My bad.

Oh, okay.  No problem.   

[Dos Equis]

You don't notice the contradiction in your statements. You say he doesn't impose his views on others, then you admit he wants to legislate Christianist values...

Not at all.  Asking someone to vote a certain way isn't imposing anything.  So what if the guy wants laws that promote Christian values.  Big deal.  If enough people agree, then those types of laws will pass.  If people disagree, they won't pass.    

[columbusdude82]

So presumably you have no problem with gays mounting a campaign to amend the laws to force everyone to engage in homosexual sex?

[Dos Equis]

So presumably you have no problem with gays mounting a campaign to amend the laws to force everyone to engage in homosexual sex?

I have no problem with anyone using the democratic process to pass laws, including the absurd one you just mentioned. 

[columbusdude82]

Why is it any more absurd?

Both that (imaginary) case I mentioned and Parsley's all too real plans aim to control other people's private sex lives.

If Parsley can presume to interfere in other people's bedrooms, other people can tell him where to...

[loco]

If your question was based exactly on my assertion i would.    Besides,  who keeps records of those things?


How many people will be led astray because GOD did not make sure the pastor was true?


Not a very good system.

How so?  Why would God stop a man who is preaching the truth about Jesus Christ, whether he is a Christian or not?

[Dos Equis]

Why is it any more absurd?

Both that (imaginary) case I mentioned and Parsley's all too real plans aim to control other people's private sex lives.

If Parsley can presume to interfere in other people's bedrooms, other people can tell him where to...

Oh come on.  If you're talking about homosexual marriage, that is asking the state to sanction what goes on in someone's bedroom.  Your hypothetical forces people to have sex.  Ridiculous. 

In any event, democracy rules.  If someone wants to propose a law that forces people to have homosexual sex, then more power to them.  No legislator will be dumb enough to introduce it.  On the other hand, nearly every state in the country has either passed a law prohibiting homosexual marriage and/or rejected laws requiring homosexual marriage.  Democracy in action. 

[OzmO]

How so?  Why would God stop a man who is preaching the truth about Jesus Christ, whether he is a Christian or not?

Is he?  Haw can he be credible if he is engaging in major sins?  How much damage has he done to how people view "the Word" and the power of salvation if he doing the things that contradict what he preaches?

How can God allow those people to be soured and mislead by people representing him who are in many cases more vile than the very people they are preaching to?

Anther big kink in the armor of the alleged "word of God" in the bible.

[columbusdude82]

Oh come on.  If you're talking about homosexual marriage, that is asking the state to sanction what goes on in someone's bedroom.  Your hypothetical forces people to have sex.  Ridiculous. 

In any event, democracy rules.  If someone wants to propose a law that forces people to have homosexual sex, then more power to them.  No legislator will be dumb enough to introduce it.  On the other hand, nearly every state in the country has either passed a law prohibiting homosexual marriage and/or rejected laws requiring homosexual marriage.  Democracy in action. 

I wasn't quite talking gay marriage, more contraception and discrimination laws.

But since you bring it up, I am surprised how those people whose marriages are so threatened by monogamous lesbians who have been together for 30 years, don't feel that the sanctity of marriage is at all affected by Britney Spears' weekend long marriages, and the general promiscuity, adultery, and high divorce rate of the heterosexual population at large.

[loco]

Is he?  Haw can he be credible if he is engaging in major sins?  How much damage has he done to how people view "the Word" and the power of salvation if he doing the things that contradict what he preaches?

How can God allow those people to be soured and mislead by people representing him who are in many cases more vile than the very people they are preaching to?

Anther big kink in the armor of the alleged "word of God" in the bible.

Is he what?  How do you know that he is engaging in major sins, unless his sins come out in the open?  And if we all know that he is engaging in major sins, then he won't be credible.  If he is not credible, then how can people be mislead by him? 

If he is engaging in major sins, whether in secret or in the open, he has just as much of an opportunity as anyone to repent and get saved.  He also has as much free choice not to.  It is his soul.  As for anyone who may have put such a man in a pedestal, the Bible warns against putting anyone on a pedestal, preacher or not.

[Dos Equis]

I wasn't quite talking gay marriage, more contraception and discrimination laws.

But since you bring it up, I am surprised how those people whose marriages are so threatened by monogamous lesbians who have been together for 30 years, don't feel that the sanctity of marriage is at all affected by Britney Spears' weekend long marriages, and the general promiscuity, adultery, and high divorce rate of the heterosexual population at large.

I don't know precisely why so many people oppose homosexual marriage, but the fact people like Britney and J Lo treat normal marriage like a revolving door, etc. doesn't support an argument for homosexual marriage.

Importantly, this is something that has been rejected by liberals and conservatives alike.  It isn't just "nut job" preachers who oppose.  It has been rejected in liberal havens like Hawaii and Oregon and pretty much everywhere else it has come up for a vote.    

[loco]

I am guessing he is against contraception too.
Maybe you can talk him into natural family planning

No, I ain't Roman Catholic.     

[columbusdude82]

I am not saying it is an argument for or against gay marriage.

I was just wondering why those people who felt their marriages threatened by a pair of old dykes don't feel the least bit threatened by far more obvious and straightforward activities that undermine marriage.

They should pass a law banning divorce in any marriage that has lasted under 5 years.

[OzmO]

Is he what?  How do you know that he is engaging in major sins, unless his sins come out in the open?  And if we all know that he is engaging in major sins, then he won't be credible.  If he is not credible, then how can people be mislead by him? 

If he is engaging in major sins, whether in secret or in the open, he has just as much of an opportunity as anyone to repent and get saved.  He also has as much free choice not to.  It is his soul.  As for anyone who may have put such a man in a pedestal, the Bible warns against putting anyone on a pedestal, preacher or not.

I'm talking about the ones who get busted for things like doing meth and having sex with men,  like that prominent penecostal pastor last year.

Like it or not leaders of churches are on a pedestal and their actions influence others people's salvation.

[Dos Equis]

I am not saying it is an argument for or against gay marriage.

I was just wondering why those people who felt their marriages threatened by a pair of old dykes don't feel the least bit threatened by far more obvious and straightforward activities that undermine marriage.

They should pass a law banning divorce in any marriage that has lasted under 5 years.

How do you know married heterosexuals believe their marriages are threatened by lesbians?  Also, not everyone who votes is married.  Just fyi.   

On the divorce law, go for it.  Write your Congressman.   

[loco]

I'm talking about the ones who get busted for things like doing meth and having sex with men,  like that prominent penecostal pastor last year.

Like it or not leaders of churches are on a pedestal and their actions influence others people's salvation.

Good point, OzmO!  And the Bible does address this, warning leaders and followers alike.  This is why I stress with other Christians that they need to study the Bible daily, so that they won't be mislead.  Leaders should know that they are held at a higher standard, while the rest should know not to put leaders, or anybody for that matter, on a pedestal.

[OzmO]

Good point, OzmO!  And the Bible does address this, warning leaders and followers alike.  This is why I stress with other Christians that they need to study the Bible daily, so that they won't be mislead.  Leaders should know that they are held at a higher standard, while the rest should know not to put leaders, or anybody for that matter, on a pedestal.

And that goes back to God's Holy Spirit not doing it's job in the first place and God allowing this to happen.