gh15 is officially a few beers short of a six-pack!

[nycbull]

Sorry gh15......the pyramids are explained simply by that when the totality of human beings put all their focus on in one area of expertise amazing, miraclulous (not supernatural), things happen.

During the early greek days it was social structures, governments and civilization was the focus and look what they did, then it was ethiical philosopy and we have the work of Socrates( a homo btw) then metaphyical philosophy with Plato (another homo) and then amazing scientific work of Aristotle. During Jesus's time humankind was obsessed with theology, spiritual philosphy and finding the 'right way' to live  thus you have great people like him, John the batpist and other great philosophers doing amazing things. During Elizabethean period it was literature, music and poetry and look what Shakespeare and his comtemporaries did, Shakespeare was a genius, not an alien. During the Renessaince it was art, architecture, what Michaelangeo and Leonardo(more homos btw,) did was mind boggling but not supernatural. During the industrial revolution it was machinery and you get something like the Titanic, then the space age and we put a man on the moon.

All those things were not supernatural, they were just what humans can do when they put all their energies into one thing.   Look what happened in the last 10 years of the information age, a caveman or even a person from the 19th century would think we harnessed supernatural poweres. But we didnt we put all our human energies into it and miracles happened.

Next it will be bio technology and you will see more miracles... During the Egyptian days human put all their focus and energy into gods and temples, and thus you got their miracle of their day, the pyramids.


EDIT: depending on what you believe, Jesus may have very well had supernatural powers.

[Cleanest Natural]

Let me get this straight...


gh15 is still harping on that the pyramids were built by aliens because the concrete theory doesn't explain how they built such a tall structure?

Doesn't he comprehend that the concrete theory (which is undoubtedly correct) allows for the Egyptians to have simply passed bags of concrete up the layers of blocks from worker to worker, pouring the blocks in situ on the top layer.

If he can't understand that then he simply has to be an argument-mongering gimmick.


The Luke

jUST TO SET U STRAIGHT : the blocks used to build the pyramids are not concrete . They are massive granit monolyths  that came from the giza plateau area albeit from quite a distance. Massive ! And another fact : the whole giza plateau looks like a plateau because it was SHAVED  to look like this .

[The Luke]

savastase,

There are less than 100 granite blocks on the entire Giza plateau.

I think you are referring to the massive monolith blocks used to build the two central chambers in the Great pyramid. These blocks may well have been A-framed into position, or pulled up a small, stepped ramp (turned over as they were raised each level).

There is also the possibility that the granite blocks aren't red granite at all.

They could be "Code stone"; a form of luxury, waterproof concrete that resembles fine grain granite when set... the Egyptians used granite to make fine or ceremonial statues. Recent x-ray studies of several of these statues have shown that they are riddled with air bubbles and most probably cast, not carved statues.

At Luxor there is a line of statue sphinxes either side of the central walkway, each and every one of them has a small (identical chip) missing from its right ear... that is pretty sound evidence for the use of mold-casting in statue making in ancient Egypt.

My opinion would be that pretty much everything on the Giza plateau is concrete... I reckon Imhotep, the original pyramid architect actually was the Grand Master Mason of Masonic tradition, or possibly he is a conflation of Imhotep and Hiram Abiff (architect of Solomon's Temple). It just makes sense that the so-called "lost secrets of the Grand Master Mason" is the secret of making concrete and Code stone (Code stone wasn't re-invented till the 19th century.

One thing is certain, the majority of ancient Cyclopean architecture (giant blocks) is the result of concrete.

The only people who can't accept this are the scientifically illiterate and/or New Age quasi-religious Alien deifying weirdos.

gh15 is a moron, and presumably a gimmick. (Alex23's most probably)



The Luke

[McFarland]

From Wikipedia:

The Pyramids of Egypt are among the largest constructions ever built[1] and constitute one of the most potent and enduring symbols of Ancient Egyptian civilization. Most were built during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods.[2]. The method of construction of the pyrmids remains a mystery as man cannot build similar consturuction even with todays technology.

 

[Vince B]

The Wikipedia is open to contributions and therefore doesn't always represent the definitive information or theories about any subject. Have a look at hypertrophy and see what is there. Not what I would endorse.

There are lots of things lost from the past. For example, Plato had a theory about the mind/soul that led to the idea of heaven and personal survival. When Democritus wrote about how everything is made up of atoms this went against the core of what Plato felt was important. He encouraged the burning of any works of Democritus and to this day there is no complete volume of his writings. His words are from fragments quoted by others such as Aristotle. I consider Democritus more accurate as a philosopher than Plato. I think we can blame Plato for the rise of Christianity and all that nonsense. Had we stayed with Democritus we may have had the industrial revolution perhaps 1000 years sooner.

Everyone had a problem trying to explain the difference between the dead and living. Even today that isn't easy. Democritus didn't know so he invented warm atoms. A pity he didn't leave the atoms alone. Just about every theory in science was false up until recently. What is important is that there is a progression in technology based on various approximations of the truth. During the 20th century there was an explosion of knowledge that is still happening. The universities and many private laboratories get credit for this.

I always marvel at the way so much nonsense is believed by so many. I guess most individuals cannot grasp the philosophy of science and other disciplines that enlighten us. Instead, many become pseudo-thinkers and scientists and embrace total humbug to explain the various mysteries from the past and present. Absolutely no progress is possible with that route. You have to ask the right questions and keep looking until you are satisfied you have an explanation.

Are there UFOs? Absolutely. Is there any evidence that these are spaceships from an alien civilization? I have not seen or heard of any hard evidence. There was a movie in the 1970s about this possibility and in Chariots of the Gods it was asked if the various phenomena and artifacts could be related to extraterrestrials. Well, it is always a possibility but why imagine that when there will be other more pedestrian explanations? Going around the world looking for 'evidence' to support your theory is not good science. What you have to do is find something that clearly demonstrates the phenomenon and that will satisfy any inspection and examination.

Why would a superior civilization help build a pyramid out of stone blocks? That seems primitive in the extreme. Where are any items from that advanced civilization that cannot be from this world? There are none. Zero. It would be so easy to have some book or information on a disc or something that until recently couldn't have been deciphered. Those aliens could have given us plenty of information complete with formulae and photos that would prove they are from somewhere else. We have absolutely nothing at all like this. We are entitled to conclude that no aliens have visited earth. Cover up stories are invented to explain the lack of access to any hard evidence. It really is too much to believe.

The pyramids are a formidable engineering challenge. However, it is one thing to have built those structures and another to reverse engineer that construction. That engineers today can't duplicate the methods doesn't mean ancient men didn't build them. All it means is we are not sure how they did it. There are always some intelligent individuals who come up with heaps of new ideas and technology. Who here can explain how computers work? How does the sun produce visible light? What is everything made up of? What is consciousness? You see, there are heaps of questions that cannot be fully answered even by the best scientists. The more they learn the more questions they find to answer. We have yet to see a field theory of maximum hypertrophy. We have been sidetracked by the professionals who use drugs. There is a complete theory of hypertrophy to be discovered and when that is done it will be possible to build huge muscles without any drugs at all. There is a very complex science today re the physiology of muscles. It is but a short step to finding out about maximum hypertrophy. The other obstacle is finding scientists who actually try to answer that question. At the moment all scientists consider that pursuit vain and unworthy and are studying strength and other phenomena. That is a pity because building muscles is knowledge that will help all of us and especially the aged population who can use it as a fountain of youth.

The one fact that is crystal clear to any educated person is that many contributors to this thread are lacking in academic training and discipline. The way gh15 writes makes me wonder if he ever went to a university. I have my doubts. He churns out rubbish by the page and no one is in the slightest enlightened by his offerings. He does entertain but I prefer the antics of my pal Melvin Goodrum.

[The Luke]

From Wikipedia:
The Pyramids of Egypt are among the largest constructions ever built[1] and constitute one of the most potent and enduring symbols of Ancient Egyptian civilization. Most were built during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods.[2]. The method of construction of the pyrmids remains a mystery as man cannot build similar consturuction even with todays technology.

Well if some anonymous source submitted that to Wikipedia then all the polymer physicists; chemists and architects who support the concrete theory and have managed to build similar structures (albeit to a smaller scale) must be wrong.

I mean I could dump some baking soda, some lime and some gravel into a swimming tank and end up with a 500 ton monolith block... if some catch-penny author chose to report that it was an enormous block placed there by aliens (as no modern crane could have placed such a block so precisely into the swimming pool)... that wouldn't make it true.

Honestly, the stupidity on this site is... well, stupefying.


The Luke

[gh15]

savastase,

There are less than 100 granite blocks on the entire Giza plateau.

I think you are referring to the massive monolith blocks used to build the two central chambers in the Great pyramid. These blocks may well have been A-framed into position, or pulled up a small, stepped ramp (turned over as they were raised each level).

There is also the possibility that the granite blocks aren't red granite at all.

They could be "Code stone"; a form of luxury, waterproof concrete that resembles fine grain granite when set... the Egyptians used granite to make fine or ceremonial statues. Recent x-ray studies of several of these statues have shown that they are riddled with air bubbles and most probably cast, not carved statues.

At Luxor there is a line of statue sphinxes either side of the central walkway, each and every one of them has a small (identical chip) missing from its right ear... that is pretty sound evidence for the use of mold-casting in statue making in ancient Egypt.

My opinion would be that pretty much everything on the Giza plateau is concrete... I reckon Imhotep, the original pyramid architect actually was the Grand Master Mason of Masonic tradition, or possibly he is a conflation of Imhotep and Hiram Abiff (architect of Solomon's Temple). It just makes sense that the so-called "lost secrets of the Grand Master Mason" is the secret of making concrete and Code stone (Code stone wasn't re-invented till the 19th century.

One thing is certain, the majority of ancient Cyclopean architecture (giant blocks) is the result of concrete.

The only people who can't accept this are the scientifically illiterate and/or New Age quasi-religious Alien deifying weirdos.

gh15 is a moron, and presumably a gimmick. (Alex23's most probably)



The Luke

look at the beautiful man in macfarland picture,,then look behind this beautiful man into the horizon in the backround,,,,if you think human being ever was able or will abe or are able to build this things if we ever get back to the stone age due to catasrphy ,,then you my friend deserve a medal of stupidity ,,never the less i wont insult you and curse you like you do in every second word  of yours thus completely take the wind out of your arguments and people dont even read it all!

this macfarland post pretty much rested my case with out the need for me to go into any details,,it shows most humans on earth know this was not ONLY man made,,also according to my the emails i get on this subject ,,getbig majority doesnt think like you,,never the less you have the right to your opinion

see i said a wholllllllle 2 paragraphs with out curssing at you ,,the stupid was adjective to decribe the medal you should be given

lastly ,,,no one would ever be able to take those stones in any forms or shape or granite or clay or concerete any where even 1/3 the height pyramids are with out heavy machinary,,the whiole thing would collapse from within past the 100 feet mark if not before while on its way killing the human pre historic engeeners ...that couldnt do nothing to benefit their children untill the 20th century ,,makes you go ummmmmmmmmmmm

also stop with the gimik crap,,it shows that you are completely out of your mind,,give ron avidan a pm already and ask him,,youll be in shock if he shows you that gh15  is a single individual and even if some gimik wanted to immitate gh15 they wouldnt be able to simply because the way i write here purposly... has the english, at times, as flawless as possible with perfect grammer and zero errors..while in some othre times ,,it is a complte and uttes mess with a 5 year old inability to put 2 sentnces together with out mistakes

not my fault that it drives you into loopie land

now you can go and bring me answers to my questions or continue looking for them because im going to work my bicep tricep and be here later,,to read this marvekous dimond shaped thread ...or you can go check on brian for me since youre on ireland (see on insted of in! its the way nutcases talk...),,that dude underdosed his products no wonder they threw him in prison

i shall be back to see if someone give me good  answers beside the new york something guy ny something that i did read his post and i partially agree but ill answer it specifically later

[gh15]

Well if some anonymous source submitted that to Wikipedia then all the polymer physicists; chemists and architects who support the concrete theory and have managed to build similar structures (albeit to a smaller scale) must be wrong.

I mean I could dump some baking soda, some lime and some gravel into a swimming tank and end up with a 500 ton monolith block... if some catch-penny author chose to report that it was an enormous block placed there by aliens (as no modern crane could have placed such a block so precisely into the swimming pool)... that wouldn't make it true.

Honestly, the stupidity on this site is... well, stupefying.


The Luke

for some reason i had the feel you would be fast to respond to his remarks because you were proven as nominee number one for the stupidty medal i mentioned,,i knew you were responding while i was writing this  i had the feel,,,and here it is 

you cant prove anything you say and wont be able to ,,youre out of luck because you showed the most pathetic proof one can bring,,2 stones with a french man next to it! and nada else

could would maybe this maybe that is not proofs for human only made structures! you describe shit that was buiolt 1000 of years later with heavy machinary and the more you talk the more crazy book worm you sound,,if i had the time to continue right now i would but ill come back later on in the early morning

how can you be so blind to whats around you is beyond my understanding,,you are example of why we didnt do shit of what we could do untill the 20th century ,,,because we could do a lot before but your science and only what specific you think are right were applied all the centuries before hand,,

ill be back

[dr.chimps]

for some reason i had the feel you would be fast to respond to his remarks because you were proven as nominee number one for the stupidty medal i mentioned,,i knew you were responding while i was writing this  i had the feel,,,and here it is 

you cant prove anything you say and wont be able to ,,youre out of luck because you showed the most pathetic proof one can bring,,2 stones with a french man next to it! and nada else

could would maybe this maybe that is not proofs for human only made structures! you describe shit that was buiolt 1000 of years later with heavy machinary and the more you talk the more crazy book worm you sound,,if i had the time to continue right now i would but ill come back later on in the early morning

how can you be so blind to whats around you is beyond my understanding,,you are example of why we didnt do shit of what we could do untill the 20th century ,,,because we could do a lot before but your science and only what specific you think are right were applied all the centuries before hand,,

ill be back

Sounds like faith disguised as science. You know, like the creationists espouse.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

also stop with the gimik crap,,it shows that you are completely out of your mind,,give ron avidan a pm already and ask him,,youll be in shock if he shows you that gh15  is a single individual and even if some gimik wanted to immitate gh15 they wouldnt be able to simply because the way i write here purposly... has the english, at times, as flawless as possible with perfect grammer and zero errors..while in some othre times ,,it is a complte and uttes mess with a 5 year old inability to put 2 sentnces together with out mistakes

not my fault that it drives you into loopie land

Great Post ! LOL ! Very funny !  

[SS]

Roland is a funny guy.

[G o a t b o y]

"Hi!  Anyone need some pyramids built?"

[G o a t b o y]

From Wikipedia:

The Pyramids of Egypt are among the largest constructions ever built[1] and constitute one of the most potent and enduring symbols of Ancient Egyptian civilization. Most were built during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods.[2]. The method of construction of the pyrmids remains a mystery as man cannot build similar consturuction even with todays technology.

 

I see gh15 had been editing Wikipedia again.  Anyone who thinks we don't currently have the technology to bulid exact replicas of the pyramids if we wanted to needs a brain transplant. 

[Vince B]

Hey, Goatboy, we could find a quarry of granite or marble somewhere, perhaps in Italy, and then go about constructing an amazing structure that exceeds what anyone has built before, including those helped by aliens! This structure would be topped by an amazing giant colossus in stainless steel depicting a superman holding a woman above him. The majesty and power of this assembly will astound even the uninformed who will cry when they view it. The light reflecting from the sculpture will surely blind many unbelievers! We can harness the wasted energy of those who spend countless hours online instead of going to a gym and doing other things. Imagine what could be built! We could make this a project and countries could fund this as an unemployment project. Even university students can join in the fun as can volunteers. Every country sends the idle who will be supervised by bodybuilders. Onions and potatoes will form the staple diet and woe to those in the domitories at night. I estimate such a project would take 20 human years to complete. It will be unlike anything constructed before and will showcase what is both beautiful and noble in mankind.

[The Luke]

...seems gh15 has never heard of the Hoover Dam.

That's exceeds the height of even the Great Pyramid and was built of... you guessed it! CONCRETE blocks poured in situ. Guess we'll have to wait till there are no written records from the 1950s before gh15 can attribute that one to aliens.

By the way, double replying to my post with nonsensical gibberish... epic meltdown.



The Luke

[G o a t b o y]

Hey, Goatboy, we could find a quarry of granite or marble somewhere, perhaps in Italy, and then go about constructing an amazing structure that exceeds what anyone has built before, including those helped by aliens! 

I'm thinking a 600' high granite bust of Ron Avidan's head.

[tommywishbone]

Picture from gh15's high school year book.

[G o a t b o y]

You know that show on the History Channel "Modern Marvels" that's all about recent great engineering feats (bridges, dams, tunnels, etc)?  I hear they're thinking about dropping the pretense and just renaming the show "Shit That Aliens Built".

[Vince B]

This is what I had in mind. Upgrade the physique to that of Steve Reeves and make the woman more ideal re some beautiful gymnast or fitness model.

[G o a t b o y]

This is what I had in mind. Upgrade the physique to that of Steve Reeves and make the woman more ideal re some beautiful gymnast or fitness model.

Nah, that wouldn't last...  it looks like a good stiff wind would blow it over.  If we want to build something to last 4000 years or more, we need something thick, heavy, and with a low center of gravity...  like Ron's head!

[warrior_code]

I see gh15 had been editing Wikipedia again.  Anyone who thinks we don't currently have the technology to bulid exact replicas of the pyramids if we wanted to needs a brain transplant. 

In 5000 thousand years the great Pyramid of Giza has settled less then 1/2 an inch.  Typically, most of our large buildings we build today will settle 4-5 inches after a few hundred years.   

[G o a t b o y]

In 5000 thousand years the great Pyramid of Giza has settled less then 1/2 an inch.  Typically, most of our large buildings we build today will settle 4-5 inches after a few hundred years.   

Most of our large buildings are slender, hollow, and are built in areas that get plenty of rain and on different soil, and many are in seismically active areas.  The pyramids are built on bedrock in the middle of a fuccking desert, are mostly solid all the way through, and are most stable shape (pyramid) possible.

If some idiot was willing to round up the money to do it, we could easily build duplicates just as good or better right next to the originals.

[warrior_code]

Good point.  I wonder what the settling rate is of large buildings in middle eastern countries. 

[Vince B]

Imagine a statue of Ron's head 1/2 mile high suspended on a triple pyramid base also half a mile high. No wind, earthquate or vandals could unend this colossus. Imagine that after that edifice was built out of stainless steel and granite on the base that a nuclear holocaust destroyed all cities and civilization. What would aliens make of that work if they were to visit earth eons from now? Written on the base of that magnificent piece would be the words: "Look upon my works ye mortals and despair! Ron, King of webboards."

[Vince B]

Can anyone imagine the calibre of thieves in Egypt over the millennia that allowed rich people to borrow the magnificent rock that faced the pyramids? These were locals and not visiting vandals. It would have taken good engineers to remove that stone without damaging it.