I personally think meso is on more juice than a 4.0l caddy, but thats just my opinion
and you are right to a point,,he doesnt seem to have a needle love going on,,but surly orals
you got to understand something my friends,,there are real profesional bodybuilders on this board you cant bluff us,,they dont talk much because they got their real name out so they wont do it to themselves while i can talk about subject like this,,
natural guys who could lift 160lb dumbells at 190lb for reps would be standing on stage winning trophys wether powerlifting or bodybuilding but they would,,the temptation to use hormones if this was a natural lifting would be so high because the person who could do it naturally would be better than steve reeves and better than ron and better than many other in their natural stage,,
not to forget! ron coleman got to lift 200lb dumbells after years of hormone use ,,heavy hormone use,,and also did it NOT ON A REGULAR BASIS and did it at 290lb not 190lb,,
this all thread would be better presented with pictures only with no lifts if the person claim to natural status,,why? because strength has a limit when it comes to natural while look ..well you know how it is ...you got team universe and muscle mania so..half the world is 'natural',,
like cyp i also think that this strength which is impressive none the less is a result of hormone use ,,,in the form of tablets on and off with strict bodybuilding training,,cant say needles untill i see the person face to face or more detailed pictures but as cyp said it is hormonized,,
i think genxxl had something to do with this strength,,naturals do not and can not do this natural at 190lb would do the 80s maybe the 100s maybe for reps ,,hormonized will do 100lb -150lb ,,160lb is a very strong person on hormones here and there but still very strong ,,most of the people who look this good natural and lift this heavy natural will be found on stage getting contract for career in supplement promotion and not doing it for hobby
