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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #175 on: November 14, 2007, 08:58:54 PM »
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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #176 on: November 14, 2007, 09:17:13 PM »
why is ronnie two different colors in the above pics of that rear and semi relaxed from lat spreads?

arent those pics from the same contest?


very strange......



(even if they are from 2 different media sources, ronnie should be the same color.  notice the various color shots of sergio from different media sources - his skin is the same color in all of them.)

The blue trunks are from prejudging and the purple trunks are from the night routine.
This is exactly how it looks on video or DVD. The lighting was different or they may have
stood farther back at night making the shades different. There are sets of these pics out there and you can line them up and see the difference between prejudging and at night. Nobody's messed with the pics
unless you count adding a little brightness to them if they are too dark. Many of the muscletime
pics are often too dark and I often lighten them to make everybody look better.

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #177 on: November 14, 2007, 09:24:08 PM »
First pic is prejudging untouched.
Second pic is the night show untouched.

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #178 on: November 14, 2007, 09:44:57 PM »
coleman had a tiny waist? where? inside his other abnormally large one?



At one time he actually did have a very small waist...

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #179 on: November 15, 2007, 01:55:27 AM »
honestly, you must be the dumbest poster on this board.

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you miss the whole point entirely.

as usual.

your argument seems to be that because dorian has better balance and proportion, that he would win.

problem is, the muscular shape, detail and vascularity that Ronnie has causes him to win almost all the mandatory poses.

so the SLIGHT difference in balance/proportion don't help him at all.

for example, what good are dorian's advantages in balance and proportion in these comparisons of two mandatories below?

answer: NOTHING, for the reasons I listed above.

your argument is based on a flawed premise - that the slight advantage that dorian may have in balance/proportion (which is DEBATABLE because even nin 93 his arms are undersized for his frame - check any most muscular pose, lat spread etc) somehow overshadows the glaring differences in muscular shape, detail, dryness and vascularity.

it doesn't.

never has. never will.

the rest of your post is equally stupid.

eg. you are saying that despite the 99 side chest shots owning anything dorian ever presented, that his side chest MUST be better because Ronnie said so?

are you stupid and cannot see?

 ::)

it amazes me how stupid you can be. it really does.

eg. has anyone ever DISagreed with you that dorian has better calves. hell no. so what the FUCK are you talking about?? ::)

you really are dumb. sorry. but I really hope you don't act like this at McDonalds. you might be stuck there for life. :-\

Let me first start by saying meltdown  lol seriously you're blowing a gasket lol

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your argument seems to be that because dorian has better balance and proportion, that he would win.

problem is, the muscular shape, detail and vascularity that Ronnie has causes him to win almost all the mandatory poses.

so the SLIGHT difference in balance/proportion don't help him at all.

As usual you don't get it ( old news ) my argument is this ( pay attention moron ) Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has a clear advantage in balance & proportion , and couple that with ( especially compared to 1998 ) another clear advantage in muscular bulk ( 247 pounds VS 260 pounds ) and while conditioning may be a push , Dorian has a clear advantage in density , he's more complete , while both are NO Labrada when it comes to posing , Dorian is a better technical poser , and he doesn't have bitch tits

Now seeing you have NO clue how bodybuilding contests are judged we don't separate these things they're all judged in unison because all rounds are physique rounds , again lets follow the criteria that the IFBB uses not the criteria Hulkster hyperfocuses on and I hate to break it to you son there is much more than a slight difference in balance & proportion we're talking torso length , arm length in relation to the torso , rib cage depth , calves in relation to quads , glutes that stick out and can be seen from the front , you'd know this if you were savy which you're obviously not

And you post a side chest from 1992 Obviously NOT Dorian at his best ( wow another decpetive move by Hulkster ) and a shot from 1993 which is 1) poor quality and 2) set way to far back and the best part is you think you've accomplished something by doing so , when in fact Ronnie himself said Dorian had the best side chest he's ever seen period , and Shawn Ray laments how Ronnie's side chest ( and side triceps ) where never that great , again common knowledge to people who know how to evaluate a professional bodybuilding physique ( not you ) and I'm saying Dorian' side chest is better because ( compared to 1998 ) he meets the criteria better than Ronnie period , he has better balance & proportion , a deeper rib cage , equal if not better conditioning , better density , he's more complete ( has calves ) and his side chest isn't dominated by overdeveloped arms & delts which if you posted a SIDE CHEST of Ronnie's in profile like the judges ask for this is clearly been shown , so like all the other mandatory poses Dorian beats Ronnie because ........................ ..he meets the criteria better than Ronnie and is more complete , learn this , sure you can find advantages for Ronnie in poses but OVERALL ( how contests are judged ) Dorian satisfies the criteria better than Ronnie , better than Flex , better than Levrone , better than Ray , better than Dillett ...................in fact better than anyone in the 1990s lol

so like on the truce thread you've exposed your very weak position , still can't seem to grasp mine which I've repeated to you ad nausem and are still ignorant of how contests are judge , you hyper focus on just ONE part of the criteria and forget all the others thats not how it works kid and thats why your melting down page after page lol  ;)

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #180 on: November 15, 2007, 03:41:58 AM »
why is ronnie two different colors in the above pics of that rear and semi relaxed from lat spreads?

arent those pics from the same contest?


very strange......



(even if they are from 2 different media sources, ronnie should be the same color.  notice the various color shots of sergio from different media sources - his skin is the same color in all of them.)

what is even more strange is how a human being can be as stupid as you.. ::)

you are STILL going on about this shit? ::)

you are not capable of understanding or learning are you?

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damn.

IceCold has been crying adjusted pics from the moment 99 ronnie shots were posted showing how good he was.

I guess he will never learn, no matter how many people post screencaps.

he will always cry fake, because he can't deal with how good ronnie was.
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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #181 on: November 15, 2007, 03:50:58 AM »
if coleman 99 wasnt lean, then munzer wasnt ripped. what u should remember about coleman is that he generally has a smooth look to him even when he can hit a shot and striations and detail pop out everywhere. just like how dorian could display little detail yet his skin appear hard and grainy. bbing isnt judged on how ur skin looks (at least i dont think so)

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #182 on: November 15, 2007, 07:05:41 AM »
look how shitty sergio looks compared to ronnie LOL. better structure my ass, he has a no fucking back, little quad sweep and a narrow structure. compared to ronnies sick biceps, wide back and narrow waist at lower bodyweights, extreme detail and flaring quads.

i barely see any structural benefits owned by sergio, dude looks a little narrow to me across the clavicle. crazy waist on him though.

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #183 on: November 15, 2007, 11:03:51 AM »
ND's spiels are like all the apologist literature on "intelligent design".  They seem fancy and well written but they are not necessarily accurate!  Just deceiving since they are properly articulated and rich in vocabulary.
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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #184 on: November 15, 2007, 11:12:06 AM »
Chris would beat Ronnie with size & conditioning being equal NO ifs and or buts about it.

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #185 on: November 15, 2007, 11:22:28 AM »
Trying to compare Mr. Olympia's from different eras is stupid - unless it's 98 or after.

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #186 on: November 15, 2007, 11:39:12 AM »
Look at this rear dbl bicep comparison I made some years ago...
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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #187 on: November 15, 2007, 11:52:36 AM »
There is a reason why people called Sergio "the Myth"! He was the best bodybuilder physique wise.
just push some weight!

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #188 on: November 15, 2007, 01:45:31 PM »
what is even more strange is how a human being can be as stupid as you.. ::)

you are STILL going on about this shit? ::)

you are not capable of understanding or learning are you?

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damn.

IceCold has been crying adjusted pics from the moment 99 ronnie shots were posted showing how good he was.

I guess he will never learn, no matter how many people post screencaps.

he will always cry fake, because he can't deal with how good ronnie was.

I shed a little light
on Hulksters 99 side chest pic. I do this as well with any pics
that are too dark including Dorian's.




Your boy Bizzy has admitted to working Ronnie photos already and seeing the 99 screencaps have 4 different colors its obvious they all can't be the same

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #189 on: November 15, 2007, 01:48:29 PM »
ND, ronnie is the best of all time...deal with it. Dorian was good but not like Ronnie.....jeezus christ let it go, let it go...
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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #190 on: November 15, 2007, 01:52:26 PM »
I don't have to prove you wrong.

the video and pic evidence proves you wrong quite nicely, idiot. ::)

and Ronnie stated in 99 that he was in better shape than 98.

check the legs if you still feel you are correct. ::)

Ronnie was visibly just as hard if not harder in 99.

and his quads were way more cut. as verified by Lonnie Teper and..Real fucking life..

You don't have to prove me wrong....Just Ronnie & Peter McGough  ;) maybe you missed the Pro Bodybuilding Weekly show , you know the one where it was a tribute to Ronnie Coleman and his career and when asked what was his best Olympia showing he said his first and specifically  because his conditioning was ' spot on ' now you're going to tell the man when his best showing was LMFAO you're a simpleton

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .


Peter McGough echoing Ronnie's sentiments and these two people were there so this crushes your dumb fucking opinion ,

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #191 on: November 15, 2007, 01:54:57 PM »
ND, ronnie is the best of all time...deal with it. Dorian was good but not like Ronnie.....jeezus christ let it go, let it go...

Wow this is a great post , Ronnie is the best of all time and thats it lol 

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #192 on: November 15, 2007, 01:57:18 PM »
umm..hello?

tons of people including your fucking hero Peter McGough say Ronnie has the greatest back EVER.

OVER DORIAN.

its not just me you blithering idiot.. ::)

serious question:

are you on something? ???

Samir Bannout says Dorian has the best back , so does Ellington Darden, Ph.D. Markus Rhul , Ronnie himself said it I mean do I need to continue?

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #193 on: November 15, 2007, 02:12:06 PM »
ND is an atheist but I'm not sure if he is a rationalist.  He understands that religious people will justify their own inconsistent point of views just to come to terms with them in their own minds, yet seems to do it himself regarding bodybuilding.

He can't simply state that he prefers the physiques of Arnold, Frank Zane, and Dorian.  Instead he takes these apples and oranges and tries to explain how, objectively, they are superior to a whole array of other bodybuilders, yet the individual qualities of these bodybuilders are all over the map: Arnold is superior due to his "balance" which consists of small but separated quads, Dorian is superior because he has a wide structure and incredible back detail, and Frank Zane - I'm not even sure how ND includes him in this list.

Yet what is obvious is that there is no consistency in these standards.  Dorian and Arnold have drastically different physiques yet he compares them as if they can be compared in any direct manner.

I prefer the physiques of Bob Paris and Milos over the physiques of Ronnie or Victor Martinez but that does not mean I would have the audacity to try to justify why they should beat either of the two in contest, since objectively, they would not have the qualities to beat Ronnie or Victor.

I just wish ND would state his preferences without trying to justify why those preferences should win on a bodybuilding stage against superior bodybuilders.  It just makes him sound silly.

You're all over the map with this post , my preferences have NOTHING to do with if Yates could beat Ronnie and why and your analogy about Paris & Milos is terrible and why? because neither can compare to Ronnie & Victor in all aspects of the bodybuilding criteria and Dorian can

here is why Dorian could beat Ronnie , he has equal or superior muscular bulk depending on the year 1998 Ronnie was 247 pounds Yates in 1995 was 260 pounds thats a clear advantage , Dorian has a clear cut advantage in terms of balance & proportion compared to any year Ronnie , Dorian has a clear advantage in terms of conditioning compared to Ronnie depending on the year although Ronnie may have matched Yates for dryness in 1998 and 2001 , Ronnie's not as dry in 99 as 98 and in 03 his conditioning suffered even more , Dorian has a clear advantage in density vs Ronnie all years , Dorian's a better technical poser , these are exactly the reasons why I think Dorian would beat Ronnie which have NOTHING to do with what I prefer .

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #194 on: November 15, 2007, 02:15:23 PM »
So according to ND Frank Zane and Dorian are better balanced that Shawn?  ???

At their best absolutely , do you even know what balance & proportion are? Shawn has narrow clavicles , he has a long torso and short legs , his quads are to big for his smallish high calves thats not great balance & proportion or structure you don't find these flaws on Zane or Yates

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #195 on: November 15, 2007, 02:17:47 PM »
Mmm  weird for a guy whos not a ronnie fan... you are on 90% of threads with the name ronnie in the title....
 ??? ???
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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #196 on: November 15, 2007, 02:17:55 PM »
LOL ND is being owned by everyone yet again!

ND, when are you going to realize that the reason that everyone is ganging up on you is that you don't know how to evaluate physiques properly.

if you listened to us, you could learn a whole lot.

we are just trying to teach you, because you clearly have a whole lot to learn..
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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #197 on: November 15, 2007, 02:19:35 PM »
Mmm  weird for a guy whos not a ronnie fan... you are on 90% of threads with the name ronnie in the title....
 ??? ???


Wrong I don't post on most Ronnie threads .

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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #198 on: November 15, 2007, 02:19:55 PM »
Samir Bannout says Dorian has the best back , so does Ellington Darden, Ph.D. Markus Rhul , Ronnie himself said it I mean do I need to continue?

what is your fucking point?

if Dexter said Porter had better arms than Ronnie would he automatically be right?

 ::)

like I said, my simple example that I illustrated earlier is exactly what you do all the time.

you find a quote that agrees with you, and defend it no matter what even if all the visual evidence proves this quote to be 100% wrong.

you don't care.

you will cling to anything.. :-\

its sad, really.
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Re: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??
« Reply #199 on: November 15, 2007, 02:21:07 PM »
Wrong I don't post on most Ronnie threads .

yeah, and a bear doesn't shit in the woods.. ::)
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