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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2500 on: December 29, 2010, 10:04:27 AM »
Problem is also that they took a lot of shit loans and put them in with supposed "A" paper loans and misled investors as to what they were getting.  And these were sold worldwide. 

What was allowed to occur with housing is a national disgrace and not one person has gone to jail.   

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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2501 on: December 29, 2010, 10:05:31 AM »
Guys, playing the blame game at this point is useless. It's not going to get us out of this mess.

If ya know what's good for you, the name of your game these days will be CYA as in 'Cover Your Ass!'
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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2502 on: December 29, 2010, 10:08:30 AM »
Guys, playing the blame game at this point is useless. It's not going to get us out of this mess.

If ya know what's good for you, the name of your game these days will be CYA as in 'Cover Your Ass!'


We are sort of like CSI just examining the corpse at this point.  The murder has already taken place. 

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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2503 on: December 29, 2010, 10:10:35 AM »
Guys, playing the blame game at this point is useless. It's not going to get us out of this mess.

If ya know what's good for you, the name of your game these days will be CYA as in 'Cover Your Ass!'
its called getting the facts

and in your case getting the facts straight

for someone who is peddling financial advice, you should at least be somewhat knowledgable on this  ::)

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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2504 on: December 29, 2010, 10:14:42 AM »
Problem is also that they took a lot of shit loans and put them in with supposed "A" paper loans and misled investors as to what they were getting.  And these were sold worldwide.  

What was allowed to occur with housing is a national disgrace and not one person has gone to jail.  
I agree like I said they grouped ppl who all had risk to the same scenarios and billed them all together in a CDO as a safe investment  ::)

who believes that shit?

LOL whats really funny though is that supposedly the vast majority of promissory notes for those mortgages in the CDO's actually were not transferred to the buyer. This in itself is important b/c supposedly that voids that contract...

also the forclosures that have taken place may have been processed by a company that didnt have the right to do so b/c they technically never had the promissory note to that mortgage.

so some of those forclosures maybe over turned, well what do you do with the ppl who bought the house that was forclosed  on?

lol this is a cluster fuck of epic proportions

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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2505 on: December 29, 2010, 10:16:13 AM »
By David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 28, 2010; 11:33 PM


More banks failed in the United States this year than in any year since 1992, during the savings-and-loan crisis, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.


Amid high unemployment, a struggling economy and a still-devastated real estate market, the nation is closing out the year with 157 bank failures, up from 140 in 2009. As recently as 2006, before the bubble burst, there were none.

Now, there are more on the horizon.

The FDIC's list of "problem" banks - those whose weaknesses "threaten their continued financial viability"- stood at 860 as of Sept. 30, the highest since 1993. Historically, about a fifth of banks on the watch list end up failing.

Bank failures have left the FDIC insurance fund in the red, but the agency predicts that it will have more than enough money to meet the anticipated cost of failures through 2014.

As the financial crisis of recent years recedes, the FDIC has been predicting that 2010 will be the high-water mark for bank implosions.

"Going forward, the FDIC looks to see fewer failures," agency spokesman Greg Hernandez said.

Some industry observers agreed.

"I think we're over the hump of the problem but far from the end," banking consultant Bert Ely said.

Gary B. Townsend, president of Hill-Townsend Capital, said the industry is not just out of the woods, "we are far beyond the woods."

By one measure, the trouble is already abating. On average, the banks that failed this year were much smaller than those that failed last year.

The banks that failed this year had assets totaling $92.1 billion, a decrease of 45.7 percent from the $169.7 billion in assets of the banks that failed in 2009.

"These are very small institutions," Townsend said. "The total assets that they represent is insignificant compared to the financial system as a whole. It's quite manageable."


 Ordinarily, failed banks continue to operate virtually seamlessly. Typically, they are taken over by other banks in transactions arranged by regulators. Federal deposit insurance, for which the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was named, protects depositors from losses up to the insurance limits.

Since the closure of IndyMac Bank jolted the system in 2008, even uninsured deposits have been protected in more than 90 percent of failures, Ely said. Although depositors may be unaffected, borrowers can suffer disruptions to their credit lines, he said.

Bank failures are generally lagging indicators of economic trouble. The economy can be on the mend by the time struggling banks succumb.

Some of the nation's largest banks survived as a result of government assistance and are not included in the tally of failures. In 2009, for example, aid went to eight banks, including Countrywide and Bank of America. Their combined assets totaled $1.9 trillion.

The list of failed institutions at the FDIC is filled with community banks that would not be considered "too big to fail."

The loans that brought them down were predominantly commercial loans, Hernandez said, which sets them apart from the banking giants whose problems were rooted in home mortgages.

About half of the the 2010 failures involved banks headquartered in four states: California, Florida, Georgia and Illinois.

The list included four Maryland banks: Bay National Bank and Ideal Federal Savings Bank of Baltimore, K Bank of Randallstown, and Waterfield Bank of Germantown. There was one in Virginia, Imperial Savings and Loan of Martinsville, and none in the District.

As of Sept. 30, the FDIC insurance fund for bank deposits had a balance of negative $8 billion. But that doesn't include reserves such as premiums collected in advance from the banking industry.

Also, as of the third quarter, the agency was predicting that bank failures would cost $52 billion through 2014. The FDIC has the ability to cover that, Hernandez said.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/28/AR2010122803649.html?hpid=topnews


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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2506 on: December 30, 2010, 07:43:18 AM »
market is overbought, WS bonus' are secure.

exercise caution.

range 1250-1300



-NT
nothing, no rebuttle of the shredding your statement took?

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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2507 on: December 30, 2010, 12:20:11 PM »

Peter Schiff: Here's Why Home Prices Have To Decline At Least 20% And Probably More
Gregory White | Dec. 30, 2010, 12:09 PM | 6,169 |  24


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House prices have to decline at least another 20.3% to come back to the historical trend and may have much further to fall, according to Peter Schiff of Euro Pacific Capital.

Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Schiff breaks down the horrible state of the U.S. residential real estate market just days after a negative Case-Shiller number pretty much confirmed we're in a housing double-dip.

Schiff explains that, if we all believe that we were in a housing bubble, then house prices need to come back to the historical trend line before we're actually through this.

But that 20.3% is only the beginning of the break.

From Peter Schiff (in the WSJ, emphasis ours):

With a bleak economic prospect stretching far out into the future, I feel that a 10% dip below the 100-year trend line is a reasonable expectation within the next five years, particularly if mortgage rates rise to more typical levels of 6%. That would put the index at 114.02, or prices 28.3% below where we are now. Even a 5% dip would put us at 120.36, or 24.32% below current prices. If rates stay low, price dips may be less severe, but inflation will be higher.

Because of high unemployment, and little short-term hope for a jobs recovery, this darker vision makes a lot more sense, according to Schiff. He also blames the poor outlook on high levels of private and public debt and feels Fed activity to prop up the market is only delaying a real recovery.

Read the full piece at WSJ.com >

Don't believe the negativity? Here's why Bill Ackman thinks now is the time to buy a house >
Tags: Peter Schiff, U.S. economy, Real Estate, Housing | Get Alerts for these topics »

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/peter-schiff-home-prices-2010-12#ixzz19d0IdBdD


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Schiff is 100000000% correct and I have been saying this since at least 2004.     

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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2508 on: December 30, 2010, 02:29:05 PM »

HOUSE OF THE DAY: Hank Paulson Loses $1 Million On His D.C. Home
Leah Goldman | Dec. 30, 2010, 4:37 PM | 3,102 |  6



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Former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put his Washington, D.C. home on the market in April for $4.6 million, lowered it to $4.15, and finally sold it for $3.25 million (via @alea_).

Paulson certainly played a role in the U.S. housing downfall as George W. Bush's top economic advisor and now, it's even affecting him.

Paulson bought the house for $4.3 million back in August of 2006 making that over a $1 million loss.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-of-hank-paulson-dc-home-2010-12##ixzz19dVizK2N


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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2509 on: January 03, 2011, 06:44:09 PM »
U.S. Consumer Bankruptcies Hit 5 - Year High In 2010
NY Times ^ | January 3, 2011



NEW YORK (Reuters) - The number of U.S. consumers who filed for bankruptcy protection in 2010 was the highest in five years, and the figure could rise as Americans struggle with excess debt in an uncertain economy, a report issued Monday said.

Roughly 1.53 million consumer bankruptcy petitions were filed in 2010, up 9 percent from 1.41 million in 2009, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute, citing data from the National Bankruptcy Research Center.

Filings in December totaled 118,146, up 4 percent from a year earlier and 3 percent from November's total.

The full-year total is the highest since the 2.04 million recorded in 2005, when there was a rush to seek bankruptcy protection ahead of a stricter federal law taking effect in October of that year.

According to the Federal Reserve, U.S. consumer credit outstanding has fallen in 19 of the last 21 months for which data are available, declining to $2.41 trillion in October 2010 from $2.57 trillion in January 2009.

Robert Lawless, a bankruptcy professor at the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign, said the pace of filings may peak in early 2011 but that full-year filings could drop by a single-digit percentage.

There were 2.94 million U.S. consumer bankruptcy filings in 2009 and 2010, the most over a two calendar year period since the 3.6 million recorded in 2004 and 2005.

"The (2005) law was supposed to reduce filings, but we are very close to levels we were at then," Gerdano said. "The laws of economic gravity are more powerful than the laws passed by Congress."


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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2510 on: January 04, 2011, 12:21:54 PM »
Unemployment rises in two-thirds of metro areas
AP via Yahoo Finance ^ | 1/4/2011 | AP


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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Unemployment rates rose in more than two-thirds of the nation's largest metro areas in November, a sharp reversal from the previous month and the most since June.

The Labor Department says unemployment rates rose in 258 of the 372 largest cities, fell in 88 and remained the same in 26. That's worse than the previous month, when the rate fell in 200 areas and rose in 108.

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Many laid-off workers are giving up. In states such as Michigan, unemployment rates are falling because more people have stopped looking for work. Once they do, the government no longer counts them as unemployed.


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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2511 on: January 04, 2011, 12:23:22 PM »
The stock market will fluctuate.  Mark my words![1]


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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2512 on: January 05, 2011, 04:12:18 AM »
guys, as you may already know the Fed plans to purchase $600 billion in bonds through the end of June, a pace of roughly $75 billion per month. its plan is an attempt to lower interest rates, spur spending and lift/prop stock market prices.

in time this will create another unsustainable market bubble w/ hyperinflation.

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Neuro, in your opinion, how can an individual protect themselves again imminent hyperinflation, and still maintain the purchase power of his/her wealth? Is there a specific asset or asset class you'd recommend?
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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2513 on: January 05, 2011, 04:31:54 AM »

precious metals

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I'm sorry Neuro, I didn't quite understand that response. Do you mean precious metals as in...

GOLD & SILVER?   ;)
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« Reply #2514 on: January 05, 2011, 04:51:21 AM »
;)

Of the various mechanisms in place for the acquisition of GOLD & SILVER, which would you consider the best?

A) ETF's (paper gold & silver) under the stewardship of such firms like JP Morgan (with massive short positions)
B) gold or silver jewelry
C) numismatic coins
D) physical gold & silver, as in 999.9% pure 24kt gold bullion, and 999.9 % fine silver bullion
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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2515 on: January 05, 2011, 05:07:57 AM »

Option-D

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Option-D?  :o I'm not Billy, ...and I don't wanna fight.  :D

Of the various grades & certifications of gold in the world market, ...especially in the wake of gold plated tungsten, and other alloys, would you say the kinebar grade bullion offers the consumer the most security in knowing that the gold he has purchased is actually gold, and will retain it's highest value once removed from the vault?
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« Reply #2516 on: January 05, 2011, 10:10:44 AM »
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« Reply #2517 on: January 05, 2011, 11:37:53 AM »
I'm sorry Neuro, I didn't quite understand that response. Do you mean precious metals as in...

GOLD & SILVER?   ;)

WARNING: DO NOT buy gold or silver from 24KT/JaguarScams or from any company that she promotes.

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« Reply #2518 on: January 07, 2011, 09:02:06 AM »
Option-D?  :o I'm not Billy, ...and I don't wanna fight.  :D

Of the various grades & certifications of gold in the world market, ...especially in the wake of gold plated tungsten, and other alloys, would you say the kinebar grade bullion offers the consumer the most security in knowing that the gold he has purchased is actually gold, and will retain it's highest value once removed from the vault?

kinebar gold is crap

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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2519 on: January 07, 2011, 06:55:35 PM »
kinebar gold is crap


How so? Why is it crap?
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« Reply #2520 on: January 07, 2011, 06:56:51 PM »
Neuro, do you have any experience with PPP financing?
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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2521 on: January 07, 2011, 08:10:40 PM »
How so? Why is it crap?

you sell it for starters.

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Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2522 on: January 08, 2011, 03:13:13 AM »
you sell it for starters.

I don't sell kinebar grade gold.

Furthermore, if you have no valid reason to disparage something you know nothing about, you really should keep your mouth shut. You need to back it up, or STFU!

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« Reply #2523 on: January 08, 2011, 05:52:07 AM »
WARNING: DO NOT buy gold or silver from 24KT/JaguarScams or from any company that she promotes.

Fact unchanged.

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« Reply #2524 on: January 08, 2011, 06:18:35 AM »