FUNNY BULLSHIT I HEARD YESTERDAY!!!!!!

[Rearden Metal]

However,

It is not true emancipation though as his occupation has been nothing more than amusing droves of racist and unintelligent "fans" whilst expanding the coffers of his 20th and 21st century masters.  Picking a ball up and running around for the amusement of an unintelligent white majority and not reaping total benefit is certainly as degrading as picking enough cotton in order to become a freed landowner.

No, it's for mutual benefit. Irwin likely enjoyed his sport, and really enjoyed his money. I enjoyed watching his talented play, as I'm not jealous of his abilities but rather in awe of them.

You're rhetoric is dangerous. It shows no progress or diversion from flawed philosophy.

[The True Adonis]

No, it's for mutual benefit. Irwin likely enjoyed his sport, and really enjoyed his money. I enjoyed watching his talented play, as I'm not jealous of his abilities but rather in awe of them.

You're rhetoric is dangerous. It shows no progress or diversion from flawed philosophy.

I think you will find that Mr. Irvin would agree with my entire assessment as evidenced by his anecdotal statement/commentary:  Controversy continued to follow Irvin when during a November 2006 radio interview on the Dan Patrick show, Irvin joked that Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo's athletic ability may have been due to African-American heritage, and made references to Romo's maternal relatives being involved with "slave brothers".[8] Irvin later apologized. He explained himself saying, "this is how I joke around with Romo when we're playing basketball. There's a difference from me the player and me the broadcaster".[9]

[Rearden Metal]

I think you will find that Mr. Irvin would agree with my entire assessment as evidenced by his anecdotal statement/commentary:  Controversy continued to follow Irvin when during a November 2006 radio interview on the Dan Patrick show, Irvin joked that Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo's athletic ability may have been due to African-American heritage, and made references to Romo's maternal relatives being involved with "slave brothers".[8] Irvin later apologized. He explained himself saying, "this is how I joke around with Romo when we're playing basketball. There's a difference from me the player and me the broadcaster".[9]

Even if he did agree with your assessment Adam, it doesn't mean it's correct. In fact, from that quote I can assume Irwin has a large amount of pride both in his hard working ancestry, and his ascent to current position of affluence from such meager beginnings.

You really do demean yourself by your shortsighted, negative viewpoint.

[The True Adonis]

Even if he did agree with your assessment Adam, it doesn't mean it's correct. In fact, from that quote I can assume Irwin has a large amount of pride both in his hard working ancestry, and his ascent to current position of affluence from such meager beginnings.

You really do demean yourself by your shortsighted, negative viewpoint.

It is a myth that slaves were hard working.  Most were good for nothing and were sold amongst owner to owner.  The expensive slaves were the ones who could cook well.  Furthermore, the phenotype NEVER determines the genotype.  Working in a field has no impact on future generations as this does nothing for evolution in any species of any kind.  Furthermore, these people were NOT selectively bred.  It would be impossible.  Not only is there not enough time passage between generations to actively select traits, the entire gene pool was too wide stretched and mottled.  The gene pool has to be isolated.  You and Mr. Irvin should not use slavery as any kind of genetic justification.  It just makes one appear entirely ignorant on the subject.

[Camel Jockey]

He's a crackhead, so it wouldn't surprise me.

[Camel Jockey]

It is a myth that slaves were hard working.  Most were good for nothing and were sold amongst owner to owner.  The expensive slaves were the ones who could cook well.  Furthermore, the phenotype NEVER determines the genotype.  Working in a field has no impact on future generations as this does nothing for evolution in any species of any kind.  Furthermore, these people were NOT selectively bred.  It would be impossible.  Not only is there not enough time passage between generations to actively select traits, the entire gene pool was too wide stretched and mottled.  The gene pool has to be isolated.  You and Mr. Irvin should not use slavery as any kind of genetic justification.  It just makes one appear entirely ignorant on the subject.

Their own people sold them to moors, arabs and whitey for salt, rum and firearms. Sad, but true.

[boonasty]

Had you rather I pretend to be dumb?

Yes people!  HAD you rather adonis pretend to be dumb?  Well, had you ?  ?

[Rearden Metal]

It is a myth that slaves were hard working.  Most were good for nothing and were sold amongst owner to owner.  The expensive slaves were the ones who could cook well.  Furthermore, the phenotype NEVER determines the genotype.  Working in a field has no impact on future generations as this does nothing for evolution in any species of any kind.  Furthermore, these people were NOT selectively bred.  It would be impossible.  Not only is there not enough time passage between generations to actively select traits, the entire gene pool was too wide stretched and mottled.  The gene pool has to be isolated.  You and Mr. Irvin should not use slavery as any kind of genetic justification.  It just makes one appear entirely ignorant on the subject.

Ok, do you think Irvin has any idea about the above "information"? The point is, if he isn't a historian on his own gene pool, and he believes he came from hard working, genetically gifted ancestry, he likely views his current status as an accomplishment, no?

You really don't look at both sides of things before passing judgment. You merely find someone with theories which line up with those you'd like to see be true, and use them as justification for your way of thinking. Take the above statement, for example. How can you make a qualitative statement about the relative worth of slaves, and they're level of effort, without having ever owned a slave yourself? Surely slave-owners felt there was tremendous worth in such individuals. After all, did they not go to war over the point?

As for your assertion that working in a field had no genetic effect on future generations abilities, I believe this is unproven and furthermore, the statement that Romo must have "slave blood" is not so much an indication that slavery and it's practises had anything to do with genetics, but that those cut out for slave work likely have superior working genetics. That's right, Adam, negroes have better genetics for sport than white men. That's my unfounded viewpoint for the day...

[The True Adonis]

Ok, do you think Irvin has any idea about the above "information"? The point is, if he isn't a historian on his own gene pool, and he believes he came from hard working, genetically gifted ancestry, he likely views his current status as an accomplishment, no?

You really don't look at both sides of things before passing judgment. You merely find someone with theories which line up with those you'd like to see be true, and use them as justification for your way of thinking. Take the above statement, for example. How can you make a qualitative statement about the relative worth of slaves, and they're level of effort, without having ever owned a slave yourself? Surely slave-owners felt there was tremendous worth in such individuals. After all, did they not go to war over the point?

As for your assertion that working in a field had no genetic effect on future generations abilities, I believe this is unproven and furthermore, the statement that Romo must have "slave blood" is not so much an indication that slavery and it's practises had anything to do with genetics, but that those cut out for slave work likely have superior working genetics. That's right, Adam, negroes have better genetics for sport than white men. That's my unfounded viewpoint for the day...

The Phenotype will NEVER determine the Genotype.  This is a Law.

[The Showstoppa]

Colored people are pretty good dancers. 

[Master Blaster]

The Phenotype will NEVER determine the Genotype.  This is a Law. theory.

[The True Adonis]

Ok, do you think Irvin has any idea about the above "information"? The point is, if he isn't a historian on his own gene pool, and he believes he came from hard working, genetically gifted ancestry, he likely views his current status as an accomplishment, no?

You really don't look at both sides of things before passing judgment. You merely find someone with theories which line up with those you'd like to see be true, and use them as justification for your way of thinking. Take the above statement, for example. How can you make a qualitative statement about the relative worth of slaves, and they're level of effort, without having ever owned a slave yourself? Surely slave-owners felt there was tremendous worth in such individuals. After all, did they not go to war over the point?

As for your assertion that working in a field had no genetic effect on future generations abilities, I believe this is unproven and furthermore, the statement that Romo must have "slave blood" is not so much an indication that slavery and it's practises had anything to do with genetics, but that those cut out for slave work likely have superior working genetics. That's right, Adam, negroes have better genetics for sport than white men. That's my unfounded viewpoint for the day...

The only qualities sought after in regards to slaves was the ability to produce children or those with skills using farm equipment.  Slaves were a common commodity, easily bought and sold.  Their price did not vary much from slave to slave.  Quanity of slaves was always more important than quality since they were expendable.

[The Showstoppa]

The only quality looked for in slaves was the ability to produce children and those with skills with farm equipment.  Slaves were a common commodity, easily bought and sold.  Their price did not vary much from slave to slave.  Quanity of slaves was always more important than quality since they were expendable.

Ahhh, the good ole days....

[The True Adonis]

As you can see, the criteria was not that high and the prices did not vary too much. 

1775. Price of SlavesSource: New York Gazette and Weekly Mercury, February 13, 1775 in Abram Wakeman (1914). Historyand reminiscences of lower Wall street and vicinity. New York: The Spice Mill publishing co., pp. 23-24.

TO BE SOLD.“At the office of William Tongue, Broker, at the house of the late Mr. Waldron near the Exchange (lowerend of Broad street), the following goods and merchandise, viz.:
“One Negro Wench, 22 years old, has had the smallpox, is a useful domestic Price 80£
One Negro Wench, 40 years old Price 50£
One ditto Wench, 30 years old Price 50£
One Negro Man, 27 years old, is a good farmer Price 90£
One Negro Man, 27 years old, is a tolerable cook and gardener, etc.Price 100£
One Negro Boy, 16 years old Price 90£
One Negro Wench, 30 years old, with or without her son 5 years oldPrice 60 or 80£
One fine Negro Wench, 22 years old, every way very useful Price 80£

[The Showstoppa]

One fine Negro Wench, 22 years old, every way very useful Price 80£

I'll take that one...

[Rearden Metal]

I'll take that one...

I LOL'd!

[Thin Lizzy]

The trouble my friend is that so many people complain how they were so poor and than throw that out simply out of the window as soon as they
buy a watch for 75K

People who grow up poor and then come into money by fluke (sports, entertainment) tend to blow it because they don't have the same fear of poverty as someone who comes from money. To the latter, taking away his money would be the equivalent of cutting off his air supply.

[Rearden Metal]

The only qualities sought after in regards to slaves was the ability to produce children or those with skills using farm equipment.  Slaves were a common commodity, easily bought and sold.  Their price did not vary much from slave to slave.  Quanity of slaves was always more important than quality since they were expendable.

What exactly is your point. How does this pertain to Micheal Irvin?

[The Squadfather]

As you can see, the criteria was not that high and the prices did not vary too much. 

1775. Price of SlavesSource: New York Gazette and Weekly Mercury, February 13, 1775 in Abram Wakeman (1914). Historyand reminiscences of lower Wall street and vicinity. New York: The Spice Mill publishing co., pp. 23-24.

TO BE SOLD.“At the office of William Tongue, Broker, at the house of the late Mr. Waldron near the Exchange (lowerend of Broad street), the following goods and merchandise, viz.:
“One Negro Wench, 22 years old, has had the smallpox, is a useful domestic Price 80£
One Negro Wench, 40 years old Price 50£
One ditto Wench, 30 years old Price 50£
One Negro Man, 27 years old, is a good farmer Price 90£
One Negro Man, 27 years old, is a tolerable cook and gardener, etc.Price 100£
One Negro Boy, 16 years old Price 90£
One Negro Wench, 30 years old, with or without her son 5 years oldPrice 60 or 80£
One fine Negro Wench, 22 years old, every way very useful Price 80£

hahahahahahahahahaaa, absolute classic.

[Rearden Metal]

hahahahahahahahahaaa, absolute classic.

Dave, serious question. Why did you completely act like a pussy over Thanksgiving break?

[The Squadfather]

Dave, serious question. Why did you completely act like a pussy over Thanksgiving break?

how did i do that?

[Rearden Metal]

how did i do that?

Complete evasion of meeting a Getbigger in real life= pussy.

[The Squadfather]

Complete evasion of meeting a Getbigger in real life= pussy.

hahahaha, yeah i'm terrified of a 5'2" 186 pound "bodybuilder" you're HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rearden Metal]

I wouldn't expect you to be terrified of my size, but you certainly are afraid of something. Plus, I'm 5'3" and 200 lbs, give or take a piece of cake or three.

Honestly, I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you said to me you were a cool guy, down to earth and "nothing like what I am on this board".

[Rearden Metal]

hahahaha, yeah i'm terrified of a 5'2" 186 pound "bodybuilder" you're HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plus, you know I look good.    5' 2", 186 is pretty fkin good at that bf%