HOW MUCH DO YOU T-BAR ROW????

[Van_Bilderass]

Sorry for the confusion Van_Bilerass, my mistuke.

Never heard of EMG studies (assume it's similar to a NMR scan?), but claiming a straight pull is THE most effective lat exercise means you've simply never done a proper arc. Anyone with a basic understanding of anatomy knows the lats don't fully contract unless the back is arched as they act as the antagonistic muscles for the pectorals.

A good row isn't simply the inverse of a bench press... it's the inverse as reflected in the plane of the inflated ribcage when the back is arched... a subtle yet crucial difference.


The Luke


-Luke

Yeah I know you should arch for maximum recruitment. Pendlay said in that post I quoted that you should arch hard.

On the subject of inverse benches, I recently read where an accomplished coach said inverse bench presses (hanging from a bar set in a power rack for example) were the best and most important back exercise. You can't arch on these, at least I can't. Don't know if he's right or wrong.

[willie mosconi]

nah i find a corner, an olypmic barbell and a v-grip

i can't breathe on the machine set-ups

how do you keep it from moving?

[Option D]

how do you keep it from moving?

put it in the corner and put a 100lb dumbbell on it

[thewickedtruth]

AT METROFLEX WE HAVE A METAL PLATE THING SOMEONE MADE IN A SHOP THAT SITS OVER THE BAR AND WHEN PUT IN THE CORNER LOCKS IT DOWN! It's pretty damn cool! I do t-bars with 7-8 plates depending on how my lowerback feels. Trust me...even if you do big barbell rows, t-bar rows have a whole different feel. I can typically get 8plates for 8-10 reps for a few reps.
I prefer the chest supported rows no more but close grip t-bars have their place.

[Option D]

AT METROFLEX WE HAVE A METAL PLATE THING SOMEONE MADE IN A SHOP THAT SITS OVER THE BAR AND WHEN PUT IN THE CORNER LOCKS IT DOWN! It's pretty damn cool! I do t-bars with 7-8 plates depending on how my lowerback feels. Trust me...even if you do big barbell rows, t-bar rows have a whole different feel. I can typically get 8plates for 8-10 reps for a few reps.
I prefer the chest supported rows no more but close grip t-bars have their place.

how many plates will fuck up a bar..

[The Luke]

Yeah I know you should arch for maximum recruitment. Pendlay said in that post I quoted that you should arch hard.

On the subject of inverse benches, I recently read where an accomplished coach said inverse bench presses (hanging from a bar set in a power rack for example) were the best and most important back exercise. You can't arch on these, at least I can't. Don't know if he's right or wrong.

Yes, he's wrong... on the right track, but wrong nonetheless.

Rowing the way I've described is simple the business... you feel sick after a hard set.


The Luke

[kiwiol]

kiwiol,

I won't address all the "Luke is so gay that..." bullshit as all it shows is that you can't argue a point. The gimmick account circle jerk only confirms it... you guys mustn't get any respect in real life if you have to indulge in this mutual reinforcement; it's infantile.

You claim to do your rows with a 60 to 70 degree angle. I know that you sincerely believe you are correct in this assertion but you are sincerely wrong.

By your logic I'm doing my rows with a zero angle... which is obviously bullshit, as it would imply I'm not even  bending over... the angle should be measured FROM the vertical, NOT from the horizontal. I do my rows at 90 degrees and you do yours at 30 degrees (90 minus 60). I'm three times more bent over than you are when doing rows.

So keep telling yourself, like all the other delusional ego lifters, that you are rowing at 60 degrees (which sounds pretty close to 90 degrees doesn't it); don't ever let anyone tell you that you're rowing at 30 degrees... just keep doing all your lifts "Ron Harris" style. He posted vids of his 315 lb rows and it was laughable (at least he was man enough to admit he'd been fooling himself).

While you're at it you might as well just go whole hog and start training Kamali-style...


What I don't understand is why everyone respects these weirdos... it's pretty obvious the "Squad" is comprised of dim-bulbs. Anyone with even a little gym experience would know that this partial deadlift/shrugging bullshit started when gym morons attempted to ape the form of Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman.
   No one ever considered the fact that both Dorian and Ronnie were actually bending over as much as they could do comfortably allowing for their swollen midsections.

I guess a high post count doesn't equate to lifting knowledge.



The Luke

Calm down tiger - it's not a circle jerk, it's just a sense of humor some of us share in this board.

In regards to the angle, aren't you missing the point altogether? My frame of reference was the x axis and you are saying it should be the Y. No worries. Then going by your frame of reference, I'm rowing at 20 - 30^o

I was just trying to give you an idea of the stance, not to mention even the bodybuilders themselves use the X axis as the frame of reference (including the mags).

Your problem is that you've got a very limited perspective and you think that that's all there is to reality. Guess what? Reality is way beyond anyone's comprehension.

[chaos]

kiwiol,

I won't address all the "Luke is so gay that..." bullshit as all it shows is that you can't argue a point. The gimmick account circle jerk only confirms it... you guys mustn't get any respect in real life if you have to indulge in this mutual reinforcement; it's infantile.

You claim to do your rows with a 60 to 70 degree angle. I know that you sincerely believe you are correct in this assertion but you are sincerely wrong.

By your logic I'm doing my rows with a zero angle... which is obviously bullshit, as it would imply I'm not even  bending over... the angle should be measured FROM the vertical, NOT from the horizontal. I do my rows at 90 degrees and you do yours at 30 degrees (90 minus 60). I'm three times more bent over than you are when doing rows.




The Luke

You're a fucking idiot, if your upper body is parallel to the floor, you are at zero degrees, fuckhead. Kiwi does his rows at 60 deg.



The Chaos

[kiwiol]

You're a fucking idiot, if your upper body is parallel to the floor, you are at zero degrees, fuckhead. Kiwi does his rows at 60 deg.



The Chaos

Yet another confusion over frame of reference Chaos - The Puke is talking about the angle about your hips - standing straight would be zero and bent over to parallel will be 90^o

[chaos]

Yet another confusion over frame of reference Chaos - The Puke is talking about the angle about your hips - standing straight would be zero and bent over to parallel will be 90^o

Then he is a fucking idiot, that's not how you measure angle, you measure angle from the bar....what you are moving.....your body is not 90 degrees to the bar, it is parallel.......0 degrees.

[thewickedtruth]

how many plates will fuck up a bar..

no clue..ronnie has done them with 11-12 or more plates... a good bar won't give two shits about how many plates but the cheap shit I've seen lately at la fitness and stuff got bent with 8 plates because some clown dropped it thinking he could pick it up and row it.

[omgsoswole]

I think these videos are proving my point...

Van_Bilderass is close, but seriously dude, if that's 250 then you'll probably only row 150 properly... I'd practice with 75 and then work up from 100.. but do it, it'll give you big lats really quick. Many of the guys I've shown how to do this don't bother doing anything else for their lats; it's that effective.

Let's start a campaign to bring back real old school training!

No one does any of these old-fashioned exercises properly any more... it's all big weights, poor form and steroids to make up the difference.

I've watched skinny guys doing piss poor flyes with 100 lb dumbbells, I felt embarrassed working-in on the bench to struggle doing flyes with 20 lb'ers. My only consolation is that my side chest pose is so impressive.

No one does rib-stretching any more... why? I added 9 inches to my chest measurement doing rib-stretchers and am now the only barrel chested gorilla looking dude in my family, both my brothers have slim builds whereas my chest measurement is nearly 80% of my standing height.

Rant over.



The Luke

Ok now I know you're only joking with this whole thread.

[kiwiol]

Ok now I know you're only joking with this whole thread.

Not at all - he's talking about his boyfriend tittyfucking him with his 9 incher

[The Luke]

Then he is a fucking idiot, that's not how you measure angle, you measure angle from the bar....what you are moving.....your body is not 90 degrees to the bar, it is parallel.......0 degrees.

...retard.
   You can't have an angle to the cross section of a round bar, you need three points to define an angle. Get yourself an introductory geometry book and try to edumacate yourself.

Ok now I know you're only joking with this whole thread.

... check this out:
http://drdarden.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=3CEAC218AD6A7ABAA1A9ABBD6297D6F7.hydra?id=436676

The level of ignorance regarding proper exercise technique on this board is absolutely astounding. Perhaps if some of you had been training for a little longer you'd appreciate that before Dorian Yates came along NOBODY did his retarded shrug-rows... sadly this is all you see in gyms today; morons attempting to ape the form of pro bodybuilders while using close-on the same poundages.
   Of course many of you will point out that Dorian Yates had great lats... that's a silly argument. I have 18 inch calves (at 5'5'') and I don't train them. Does that make me an expert on calf training? (I actually am, but not simply because of my calf development).


The Luke

[kiwiol]

...retard.
 blah, blah, blah
The Luke

Was I right about your boyfriend tittyf*cking you?

[omgsoswole]

...retard.
   You can't have an angle to the cross section of a round bar, you need three points to define an angle. Get yourself an introductory geometry book and try to edumacate yourself.
... check this out:
http://drdarden.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=3CEAC218AD6A7ABAA1A9ABBD6297D6F7.hydra?id=436676

The level of ignorance regarding proper exercise technique on this board is absolutely astounding. Perhaps if some of you had been training for a little longer you'd appreciate that before Dorian Yates came along NOBODY did his retarded shrug-rows... sadly this is all you see in gyms today; morons attempting to ape the form of pro bodybuilders while using close-on the same poundages.
   Of course many of you will point out that Dorian Yates had great lats... that's a silly argument. I have 18 inch calves (at 5'5'') and I don't train them. Does that make me an expert on calf training? (I actually am, but not simply because of my calf development).


The Luke

Thanks for that 'The Luke'.  However as far as I can see from that article rib cage expansion is only possible for teenagers, so not worthwhile for the vast majority of trainers.

Why would you want to look like the people on that site anyway??  Their chests are hideous.

You clearly know way more about training than anyone on here.

[The Luke]

omgsoswole,

Thanks for the complement... sadly I think your assertion may well be true. From what I see in the gym I fear I may well know more about training than the vast majority of trainees:
-I do my squats properly, and consequently don't need to do anything else for my legs
-I do flyes properly with 20 lb dumbbells, and often feel nauseated from the effort
-I know a lot about calf training and ankle mobility, so coupled with my good lower leg structure I haven't needed to train calves for several years
-I do rib cage stretches and have perfect posture
-I do rows properly and seldom need to do any additional lat work
-I deadlift with an arched back and have regularly deadlifted double my bodyweight for reps without injury for the past 14 years

I actually did start doing my rib stretching exercises at age 14... which explains my fantastic results.

However it is possible to stretch the ribcage even till age 24 (the sternum structure is mostly cartilaginous, and doesn't completely "harden" till full adulthood just as skeletal growth can continue in rare circumstances till that age).


The Luke

[The Squadfather]

omgsoswole,

Thanks for the complement... sadly I think your assertion may well be true. From what I see in the gym I fear I may well know more about training than the vast majority of trainees:
-I do my squats properly, and consequently don't need to do anything else for my legs
-I do flyes properly with 20 lb dumbbells, and often feel nauseated from the effort
-I know a lot about calf training and ankle mobility, so coupled with my good lower leg structure I haven't needed to train calves for several years
-I do rib cage stretches and have perfect posture
-I do rows properly and seldom need to do any additional lat work
-I deadlift with an arched back and have regularly deadlifted double my bodyweight for reps without injury for the past 14 years

I actually did start doing my rib stretching exercises at age 14... which explains my fantastic results.

However it is possible to stretch the ribcage even till age 24 (the sternum structure is mostly cartilaginous, and doesn't completely "harden" till full adulthood just as skeletal growth can continue in rare circumstances till that age).


The Luke

you should post a picture "luke" so we can see the results of these awesome genetics and hard training.

[The Luke]

you should post a picture "luke" so we can see the results of these awesome genetics and hard training.

...there's a good chance that I'll be appearing on American tv next year, so you'll just have to wait till then to jack-off to my image and fill the Y Board with explicitly graphic homo-erotic tales including my name and picture.

However, I'll gladly post a picture of someone elses reflection in a dirty window with their face obscured and claim it's me just as you did.


The Luke
PS-there's a full page photo story of me in this weeks Dundrum Gazette, I don't hide behind an internet persona... in fact, several people on this board have met and trained with me in real life.

[The Squadfather]

...there's a good chance that I'll be appearing on American tv next year, so you'll just have to wait till then to jack-off to my image and fill the Y Board with explicitly graphic homo-erotic tales including my name and picture.

However, I'll gladly post a picture of someone elses reflection in a dirty window with their face obscured and claim it's me just as you did.


The Luke
PS-there's a full page photo story of me in this weeks Dundrum Gazette, I don't hide behind an internet persona... in fact, several people on this board have met and trained with me in real life.

translation=you're terrified to post your picture.

[omgsoswole]

translation=you're terrified to post your picture.

Go easy on him Squad, this guy's the biggest thing to hit training since Mike Mentzer.  He's so good he can even make his bones grow 9"!!!!!!!!1

[The Luke]

translation=you're terrified to post your picture.

...if my tv appearance doesn't pan out I'll enter the Mr GetBig 3 (next year just before the Olympia).


The Luke

[Van_Bilderass]

...if my tv appearance doesn't pan out I'll enter the Mr GetBig 3 (next year just before the Olympia).


The Luke

Mr Getbig is the last chance to qualify for the Olympia. Good luck.

[The Squadfather]

...if my tv appearance doesn't pan out I'll enter the Mr GetBig 3 (next year just before the Olympia).


The Luke

why not just post it now?

[The Luke]

why not just post it now?

...why not post a clear picture of yourself?... I've already posted pics of me and appeared in several newspapers. My identity is not in doubt.


The Luke