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Iceland Facts
« on: December 20, 2007, 08:08:10 AM »
So much for "Religion Poisons Everything".  Not saying that Icelanders owe their national success to their Christian faith, entirely, but religion certainly has not been a hurdle either and has certainly not poisoned anything there.
 
Society
Iceland is the most developed society in the world, ranked first on the United Nations' Human Development Index.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/
 
Icelanders are the second longest-living nation with a life expectancy at birth of 81.8 years.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html#People
 
Iceland is a very technologically advanced society.  In 1999, 82,3 percent of Icelanders had access to a computer,  and this figure has not declined in the last years. Iceland also had 1,007 cell phone subscribtions per 1,000 people in 2006, the 16th highest in the world.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2151rank.html

http://www.visindavefur.is/svar.asp?id=959
 
Education
There is virtually no adult illiteracy. Education is compulsory for children ages 6 to 16.  Icelanders have access to excellent healthcare and education.
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Europe/Iceland-EDUCATION.html
 
Economy
Economy is basically capitalistic, yet with an extensive welfare system (including generous housing subsidies), low unemployment, and remarkably even distribution of income.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html#Econ

Iceland is the forth most productive country in the world based on nominal gross domestic product per capita (54,858 USD) and ranks fifth most productive country in the world based on GDP at purchasing power parity (40,112 USD).
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2007/02/weodata/weoselco.aspx?g=2001&sg=All+countries
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

Government
Iceland is a representative democracy and a parliamentary/constitutional republic.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html#Govt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland#Government

Religion in Iceland

Though not a theocracy, there is no separation of Church and State in Iceland.

Freedom of religion is guaranteed in Iceland by the Constitution. There is a State church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, to which about 83% of the population belongs. Other denominations: Evangelical Lutheran Free churches (4.7%), Roman Catholic Church (2,4%), Pentecostal and Charismatic Congregations (1.0%) and others (5.5%). Non-affiliated amount to 2.6% of the population.

Millennium of the Conversion to Christianity in 2000
The conversion of Iceland to Christianity was a unique event. A whole society abandoned its ancient heathen belief and peacefully adopted the Christian faith. This happened at the opening session of Althing, the parliament, at Thingvellir in the year 1000, when the nation faced bitter divisions. The Speaker, Thorgeir of Ljósavatn, himself a heathen, addressed Althingi and spoke the classic words: "If the law torn asunder, so will the peace". He declared that all Icelanders should be baptized into Christianity. This decision is considered to be the most important ever taken at Althingi since its establishment in 930 AD.
http://www.iceland.is/people-and-society/Religion/

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2007, 12:07:39 PM »

One of the top 10 most stuck-up bitches I ever met was from Iceland.

Two of the top 10 were from Ethiopia. 

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Re: Iceland Facts
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2007, 12:23:32 PM »
Iceland is a fantastic country.

Travelling there is out of the scope of most Americans, but for any that can, and for most Europeans I would very much recommend a visit.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 03:17:01 PM »
So much for "Religion Poisons Everything".  Not saying that Icelanders owe their national success to their Christian faith, entirely, but religion certainly has not been a hurdle either and has certainly not poisoned anything there.
 
Society
Iceland is the most developed society in the world, ranked first on the United Nations' Human Development Index.
http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/
 
Icelanders are the second longest-living nation with a life expectancy at birth of 81.8 years.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html#People
 
Iceland is a very technologically advanced society.  In 1999, 82,3 percent of Icelanders had access to a computer,  and this figure has not declined in the last years. Iceland also had 1,007 cell phone subscribtions per 1,000 people in 2006, the 16th highest in the world.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2151rank.html

http://www.visindavefur.is/svar.asp?id=959
 
Education
There is virtually no adult illiteracy. Education is compulsory for children ages 6 to 16.  Icelanders have access to excellent healthcare and education.
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Europe/Iceland-EDUCATION.html
 
Economy
Economy is basically capitalistic, yet with an extensive welfare system (including generous housing subsidies), low unemployment, and remarkably even distribution of income.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html#Econ

Iceland is the forth most productive country in the world based on nominal gross domestic product per capita (54,858 USD) and ranks fifth most productive country in the world based on GDP at purchasing power parity (40,112 USD).
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2007/02/weodata/weoselco.aspx?g=2001&sg=All+countries
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

Government
Iceland is a representative democracy and a parliamentary/constitutional republic.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html#Govt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland#Government

Religion in Iceland

Though not a theocracy, there is no separation of Church and State in Iceland.

Freedom of religion is guaranteed in Iceland by the Constitution. There is a State church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, to which about 83% of the population belongs. Other denominations: Evangelical Lutheran Free churches (4.7%), Roman Catholic Church (2,4%), Pentecostal and Charismatic Congregations (1.0%) and others (5.5%). Non-affiliated amount to 2.6% of the population.

Millennium of the Conversion to Christianity in 2000
The conversion of Iceland to Christianity was a unique event. A whole society abandoned its ancient heathen belief and peacefully adopted the Christian faith. This happened at the opening session of Althing, the parliament, at Thingvellir in the year 1000, when the nation faced bitter divisions. The Speaker, Thorgeir of Ljósavatn, himself a heathen, addressed Althingi and spoke the classic words: "If the law torn asunder, so will the peace". He declared that all Icelanders should be baptized into Christianity. This decision is considered to be the most important ever taken at Althingi since its establishment in 930 AD.
http://www.iceland.is/people-and-society/Religion/

Loco, you set yourself up. I have lived in Iceland and though there is no seperation of church and state much like in Norway, no one gives a fuck about religion and the society as a whole is quite atheistic. They have forgotten about religion and have moved on with their lives.

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Re: Iceland Facts
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 03:20:50 PM »
Loco, you set yourself up. I have lived in Iceland and though there is no seperation of church and state much like in Norway, no one gives a fuck about religion and the society as a whole is quite atheistic. They have forgotten about religion and have moved on with their lives.

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How am I setting myself up?  I simply posted some facts.

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 03:23:06 PM »
How am I setting myself up?  I simply posted some facts.

Because Iceland shows where society could be if it gave up on old superstitions and religious nonsense.
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Re: Iceland Facts
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 03:25:23 PM »
Because Iceland shows where society could be if it gave up on old superstitions and religious nonsense.

Okay, since you've lived there, I won't argue with you.  So what was it like to live there?  Did you like it?  Why did you move?

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2007, 03:31:21 PM »
Okay, since you've lived there, I won't argue with you.  So what was it like to live there?  Did you like it?  Why did you move?

Well I was studying Icelandic language and literature at the time. I enjoyed it. I love the language (though I can barely get by these days as I have never practised since). I was only there for a limited time, half a year, still enough to get an idea how the society works. In any event it is outrageously expensive. I don't drink but the standard quote is that a beer will cost you 15 dollars...assuming my plans work out for the future I am debating if I would seek employment over there. I don't know as there as downsides as well. Mer finnast Island gott! I like Iceland a lot!
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2007, 03:36:22 PM »
Well I was studying Icelandic language and literature at the time. I enjoyed it. I love the language (though I can barely get by these days as I have never practised since). I was only there for a limited time, half a year, still enough to get an idea how the society works. In any event it is outrageously expensive. I don't drink but the standard quote is that a beer will cost you 15 dollars...assuming my plans work out for the future I am debating if I would seek employment over there. I don't know as there as downsides as well. Mer finnast Island gott! I like Iceland a lot!

Sounds like a great place to live.  It being so expensive doesn't sound great, but the economy is good and unemployment is low which I would think makes up for it.  What other downsides are there, and what does "Mer finnast Island gott" mean?

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2007, 03:44:47 PM »
Sounds like a great place to live.  It being so expensive doesn't sound great, but the economy is good and unemployment is low which I would think makes up for it.  What other downsides are there, and what does "Mer finnast Island gott" mean?

I just told you; it means I like Iceland a lot.

With 260,000 people much is easier to manage.

Downsides? Isolated, barren, people can be grim; you really need a reason to be there; for me it would be the language.
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Re: Iceland Facts
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2007, 03:52:17 PM »
I just told you; it means I like Iceland a lot.

Sorry!  I thought you were giving me one of the downsides in a foreign language and then telling me that you like Iceland a lot anyway.   ;D

With 260,000 people much is easier to manage.

Downsides? Isolated, barren, people can be grim; you really need a reason to be there; for me it would be the language.

Thank you!  I don't even remember why I first started reading about Iceland a little while back, but the more I learned about it, the more curious I got and the more I liked it.  I might visit some day if I can afford it.

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2007, 05:32:03 PM »
Sorry!  I thought you were giving me one of the downsides in a foreign language and then telling me that you like Iceland a lot anyway.   ;D

Thank you!  I don't even remember why I first started reading about Iceland a little while back, but the more I learned about it, the more curious I got and the more I liked it.  I might visit some day if I can afford it.

It is a very beautiful country. Thath er moerg falllegt land!
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2007, 05:51:54 PM »

The Icelandic chicks I met on holiday in Spain one year were every bit as hot as I'd always thought they would be. 

One was a stone cold fucking BITCH, though, but was willing to at least let her girlfriends have some fun for a few hours the first night we met.  It took me another TWO whole fucking days to close that shit (not with the bitch, but with another one).

One thing was clear - unlike most women I've encountered in other parts of the world, the Icelandic women gave less than a shit that we were Americans.  It's not like we flashed the 'love-us-cuz-we're-Americans' card, but anytime other women found out you were from the U.S., it seemed like they were suddenly all over you.  Not so with the Icelandic girls.

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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2007, 05:58:36 PM »
The Icelandic chicks I met on holiday in Spain one year were every bit as hot as I'd always thought they would be. 

One was a stone cold fucking BITCH, though, but was willing to at least let her girlfriends have some fun for a few hours the first night we met.  It took me another TWO whole fucking days to close that shit (not with the bitch, but with another one).

One thing was clear - unlike most women I've encountered in other parts of the world, the Icelandic women gave less than a shit that we were Americans.  It's not like we flashed the 'love-us-cuz-we're-Americans' card, but anytime other women found out you were from the U.S., it seemed like they were suddenly all over you.  Not so with the Icelandic girls.

Icelandic people travel a lot and often work abroad; they are impressed because you were born in a country, much less the USA. They don't give a rat's ass.

Honestly, having lived in Europe for years I find your statement that you can flash an 'American Card' and get a girl ridiculous; most Europeans don't give a fuck and some (like the Dutch) generally can't stand Americans.
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Re: Iceland Facts
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2007, 11:53:53 PM »
Icelandic people travel a lot and often work abroad; they are impressed because you were born in a country, much less the USA. They don't give a rat's ass.

Honestly, having lived in Europe for years I find your statement that you can flash an 'American Card' and get a girl ridiculous; most Europeans don't give a fuck and some (like the Dutch) generally can't stand Americans.

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Re: Iceland Facts
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2007, 07:40:20 AM »
Loco, you set yourself up. I have lived in Iceland and though there is no seperation of church and state much like in Norway, no one gives a fuck about religion and the society as a whole is quite atheistic. They have forgotten about religion and have moved on with their lives.

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What do you think about these numbers?

According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll 2005

38% of Icelandic citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
48% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
11% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
3% responded that they "don't know".

Eurobarometer on Social Values, Science and technology 2005 - page 11
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf

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Re: Iceland Facts
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2007, 07:48:27 AM »
Trapezkerl,
What do you think about these numbers?

According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll 2005

38% of Icelandic citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
48% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
11% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
3% responded that they "don't know".

Eurobarometer on Social Values, Science and technology 2005 - page 11
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf

Pretty vague stuff even if true though no Icelander acts like your friends here:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/19/btsc.tuchman.roadsideprayer/index.html?eref=rss_us#cnnSTCVideo
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2007, 03:10:41 PM »
Icelandic people travel a lot and often work abroad; they are impressed because you were born in a country, much less the USA. They don't give a rat's ass.

Honestly, having lived in Europe for years I find your statement that you can flash an 'American Card' and get a girl ridiculous; most Europeans don't give a fuck and some (like the Dutch) generally can't stand Americans.

I know what you're saying, but that hasn't been my experience at all - the women in Sweden, Germany, Austria, Italy, (parts of) France, Spain, Poland and especially Greece to name a few seemed to really be into it.  Again, I'm not the guy trying to pull any of that Hollywood movie crap, I just couldn't help but notice this.

I've only dated one little Dutch girl in my life and that was back in school...LONG time ago.  She was an au pair for this family in Carolina, went away on vacation with them one summer, and never returned.  She hated me that much!  lol 

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Re: Iceland Facts
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2007, 05:39:31 PM »
How am I setting myself up?  I simply posted some facts.
You didn't post facts.  Christianity's into into that society wasn't entirely peaceful.

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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2007, 09:30:08 PM »
You didn't post facts.  Christianity's into into that society wasn't entirely peaceful.

I didn't?  So I posted lies?  So the Ministry for Foreign Affairs is telling lies here?

"A whole society abandoned its ancient heathen belief and peacefully adopted the Christian faith."
http://www.iceland.is/people-and-society/Religion/

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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2007, 09:38:56 PM »
Pretty vague stuff even if true though no Icelander acts like your friends here:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/19/btsc.tuchman.roadsideprayer/index.html?eref=rss_us#cnnSTCVideo

Well, it is true.  I didn't just make it up.

And I do know that some Icelanders do act like the people on the video that you posted.  Those are Pentecostal/Charismatic Christians.  I am not Pentecostal/Charismatic, but some Icelanders are:

"There is a State church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, to which about 83% of the population belongs. Other denominations: Evangelical Lutheran Free churches (4.7%), Roman Catholic Church (2,4%), Pentecostal and Charismatic Congregations (1.0%) and others (5.5%). Non-affiliated amount to 2.6% of the population."
http://www.iceland.is/people-and-society/Religion/

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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2007, 01:38:12 AM »
Trapezkerl,
What do you think about these numbers?

According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll 2005

38% of Icelandic citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
48% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
11% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
3% responded that they "don't know".

Eurobarometer on Social Values, Science and technology 2005 - page 11
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf

If you would ask Icelanders if they were Christians, I'm sure you would get a fairly low positive response.

The point is, that while in Scandinavia and on Iceland, quite a few people refer to themselves as "believers in something", you would be hardpressed to get these same people to subscribe to the Christian depiction of God and how the world was created.

Intelligent Design isn't even an issue in this part of the world, just to give you an idea.

And even most active Christians are Pro Choice, tolerant on Gay Issues et al.

Sure, most Swedes could be considered Christians. Why? It has a reason. Back in the 16th century, one of the kings decided to merge the church with the state, in order to get control of the riches of the church.

This happened during the Protestant movement in Germany, and thus it was possible for the king to better the state finances without having to face the Roman Church on his own.

From that day on, all Swedes were automatically born into the State Church register, with Church Tax et al. You have to make an active choice to leave the church. Most people don't, although in recent years, many have opted to do it.

If you want, you can obviously interpret the statistics as if there are millions of Christians in Sweden.

But the real numbers are much lower.


Like Mark Twain once said: "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics." 8)
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2007, 01:52:59 AM »
If you would ask Icelanders if they were Christians, I'm sure you would get a fairly low positive response.

The point is, that while in Scandinavia and on Iceland, quite a few people refer to themselves as "believers in something", you would be hardpressed to get these same people to subscribe to the Christian depiction of God and how the world was created.

Intelligent Design isn't even an issue in this part of the world, just to give you an idea.

And even most active Christians are Pro Choice, tolerant on Gay Issues et al.

Sure, most Swedes could be considered Christians. Why? It has a reason. Back in the 16th century, one of the kings decided to merge the church with the state, in order to get control of the riches of the church.

This happened during the Protestant movement in Germany, and thus it was possible for the king to better the state finances without having to face the Roman Church on his own.

From that day on, all Swedes were automatically born into the State Church register, with Church Tax et al. You have to make an active choice to leave the church. Most people don't, although in recent years, many have opted to do it.

If you want, you can obviously interpret the statistics as if there are millions of Christians in Sweden.

But the real numbers are much lower.


Like Mark Twain once said: "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics." 8)

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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2007, 04:24:35 AM »
If you would ask Icelanders if they were Christians, I'm sure you would get a fairly low positive response.

The point is, that while in Scandinavia and on Iceland, quite a few people refer to themselves as "believers in something", you would be hardpressed to get these same people to subscribe to the Christian depiction of God and how the world was created.

Intelligent Design isn't even an issue in this part of the world, just to give you an idea.

And even most active Christians are Pro Choice, tolerant on Gay Issues et al.

Sure, most Swedes could be considered Christians. Why? It has a reason. Back in the 16th century, one of the kings decided to merge the church with the state, in order to get control of the riches of the church.

This happened during the Protestant movement in Germany, and thus it was possible for the king to better the state finances without having to face the Roman Church on his own.

From that day on, all Swedes were automatically born into the State Church register, with Church Tax et al. You have to make an active choice to leave the church. Most people don't, although in recent years, many have opted to do it.

If you want, you can obviously interpret the statistics as if there are millions of Christians in Sweden.

But the real numbers are much lower.


Like Mark Twain once said: "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics." 8)

Thanks for the info and for the explanation, Hedgehog!

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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2007, 03:39:43 PM »
Thanks for the info and for the explanation, Hedgehog!

I see you made a total fool of yourself on this thread, assuming devout 'Christian' faith on the part of Icelanders.... ::)
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