New Owner of Important Fitness Equipment.

[Vince B]

Melvin wrote: "As far as market research is concerned, is that any of your concern to begin with???"

Translation: Melvin has done NO market research.

[Vince B]

You know, folks, I have to congratulate Melvin Goodrum. It wasn't that long ago that people castigated Vince G CSN MFT, and almost tarred and feathered him on a regular basis. So, Melvin being a sensitive dude, the continual bagging of him took its toll and he decided to reinvent himself and stop playing the clown on Getbig. We all wondered if this task would be something beyond the resources of hapless Melvin. No one was going to drive this formidable character from this forum.

Well, this enterprising businessman has returned with a PhD in metaphysical science! While most of us were enjoying the Christmas break our ingenious hero was doing a crash course online and returned as both a reverend and doctor. Being the noble kind of soul, he is now devoting his time and resources to establish a clinic to help people fed up with traditional medicine. Most of us would need at least 8 years to obtain a PhD but Melvin is no ordinary bloke. He did the course in a weekend on the internet. There was a small donation required before he received that coveted degree but that was but small change to the Goodrum business machine.

I truly wonder what Melvin is thinking next? Maybe he did injure himself when he slipped on a soda bottle going up the stairs at that prepaid legal convention?!

[Melvin Goodrum]

Melvin, you claim to be able to treat people in your clinic using ancient Chinese methods, etc. How on earth you can take the money from poor, ignorant folk is disturbing. Surely there is a better way to use your vast education and experience?

I'm not using ancient Chinese method but new Chinese methods such as electro-acupuncture for example. 

Electro-acupuncture eliminates the common fear of needles and infections from people by using a theraputic laser instead.  I've seen the treatments being performed and its quite fascinating and people are very pleased with the results

I would suggest that you study alternative medicine before criticizing it.  I'd rather listen to Frank Zane than you as far as that's concerned.

[Vince B]

Melvin said: "The fact is I'm a lot more educated than you and most people on these boards."

I have to agree because Melvin investigated me and discovered that I was only a humble plumber working in New Zealand.   

[Vince B]

Melvin, come clean with the folk here. What studies have you done in alternative medicine and modern Chinese treatments? Even those areas require years and years of study and experience before one can practice in them. What qualifications have you got in any alternative medicine?

Are you locating your clinic in the Cherokee Indian reservation? Is that why the rent is so cheap?

http://www.cherokeesmokies.com/business_dir.asp

[Melvin Goodrum]

Melvin, come clean with the folk here. What studies have you done in alternative medicine and modern Chinese treatments? Even those areas require years and years of study and experience before one can practice in them. What qualifications have you got in any alternative medicine?

Are you locating your clinic in the Cherokee Indian reservation? Is that why the rent is so cheap?

http://www.cherokeesmokies.com/business_dir.asp

There are many different areas in naturopathy.  My studies in alternative medicine is homeopathic medicine, aromatherapy, and light therapy.  I have no formal training in Chinese medicine which is why I stated earlier that my clinic will have a Chinese Grandmaster and a reflexologist working as well.  I cannot run this whole operation by itself.  I will also have secretary who will greet customers, set appointments, and make herbal tea as well. 

Its will be in Cherokee, NC and yes that's why its so cheap.

[Vince B]

Was this photo taken in Cherokee?

[Krankenstein]

Anybody else see some prison time for malpractice or health insurance fraud?

Unless he has someone who he can bill under its unlikely he can bill insurances

[LatsMcGee]

Can't you just be like DA and suck dick for your cash?

[onlyme]

My new mission is to help others live healthier with more vitality and spirit.  Here's a few of the services we will be offering:

Health Analysis
*Electro-Dermal Screening
*Hair, Blood, and Saliva Testing

Detoxification
    * Nutrition, homeopathy and enzyme therapy
    * ONDAMED®
    * Far Infrared Sauna
    * Detoxing foot bath
    * Aromatherapy, Electro-acupuncture,
    * Stress reduction
Pain management
    * Therapeutic massage
    * SCENAR
    * ONDAMED®
Allergy elimination
 
    * Food and environmental sensitivities
    * Weight management

Sports Performance & Rehab
* Vibration Therapy Trainer
*  EFI Medical Systems PowerTower
*  Electro-Stimulator Machine
*  Infrared Light Therapy for Sports Injuries



Basically, I'm bringing Holistic & Chinese Medicine into the 21st Century and creating a new way of life for people seeking optimum health.  I will have a staff of about 5 people and the facility will be very low maintenence.  The total cost for expenditures will be under 20,000 dollars and my lease payment for the office space per month will only be 300 dollars.


The doctorate is in Metaphysics Science but I'm still continuing my studies at another college for another doctorate.

You better check on your expenses.  A vibration trainer cost $10,000 alone.  My friend owns EFI (a division of Total Gym) and that Power Trainer is close to $8,000 normal cost.  I had one at my booth at the Olympia he gave us to use.  Rent is $300?  This place must be barely 500 sq. ft. if that in size.  How the hell can you run a business in such a small area.  And 5 people can't work in that space.  Are you paying cash outright for the equipment or leasing.  A 3 year lease on that equipment alone will be close to $650 a month depending on your rate.  The EMS machine can also run you some good money if you get a decent one.  Vince go over your numbers again.  Also, a suggestion don't use the Dr. prefix.  Without malpractice insurance you would be dead soon. 

[mac7000]

Monster gimmic... did anyone else notice after he changed his screen name his grammer greatly improved.

along with using big words

[Oaf]

You are as much of a disgrace to business, and health and medicine as you are to bodybuilding.

What you are attempting to operate is nothing more than an insurance scam at best. People place trust and respect in the prefix 'Dr' and you are making a mockery of it.

Your attempt to use shortcuts in this industry will be as successful as your attempts to use shortcuts in the bodybuilding industry. Your physique speaks loudly for how that venture went!

I doubt this venture will get off the ground. I sincerely hope it doesn't. The manner in which you speak of this business is very childlike and remarkably immature for a grown man and this concerns me greatly for the well being of your patients.

When a patient asks about your 'Dr' prefix, how will you answer this question?

[onlyme]

Yep...   Its all about location. It will be very tough still but my internet sales from Caliber Fitness will more than cover the rent so its not a factor.  The equipment will be paid in full so there won't be any issues but my entire overhead expenses for everything is going to be under $20,000 and I expect yearly revenue to be close to 500,000 a year based on the Medicare customers, supplements, and treatments provided.  The bank was licking its chops at writing me out a loan once I showed the business proposal.....

No way in the world.  Either that or you are bullshitting.  How can you accept Medicare patients.  They just can't come in and give you a card and you get paid.  You have a 1,000 sq. ft for just $300.  The place must be a fucking dump.  How much are you putting into renovations.  To do have that shit you say you are offering you will need separate offices with sinks and drains with some of them.  You can't just provide these services and not provide the proper atmosphere.  The population of this place is under 25,000 with a high majority of it being native american. I don't see any of these people using your services you are providing.  Is there a place like it there now.  What did you provide the bank in terms of comps.  What about utility costs per month, insurance, lease payments, payroll, telephone, cable, water and loan payment. 

You are expecting $500,000 a year in gross sales.  that is over $10,000 a week being open 7 days a week.  The only way you could do that out of 1,000 sq. ft. is provide medical services where you are charging $100+ a visit.  YOU ARE NOT A MEDICAL doctor.  You are providing services that you won't be able to charge more than $20 to $30 a visit.  Not in that area with such a low economy.  The average person make less than $32,000 a year there.  Thats not even  $700 a week before taxes.  You honestly think these people will pay you money.  Plus most of the services you are providing aren't even covered by Medicare.  How can you qualify to be a facility that provides rehab when you come up short in equipment and services provided.

Sorry Vince you are full of shit.  I can't see any bank giving you a business loan.  Something ain't right.  Give me more details. If it is true the you are truly delusional cause no way a business like that would survive in that location unless you are the only employee and you go so bare-boned it just wouldn't be worth going to.  Tell us more

[The Master]

Vince is Gone......

Its now Dr. Melvin Goodrum, CN MScM  and I now run the "Goodrum Clinic of Integrative Medicine" and I'm pretty much out of the bodybuilding industry other than competing .




More on that soon as I'm sure there will be a lot of questions

 

[Melvin Goodrum]

You better check on your expenses.  A vibration trainer cost $10,000 alone.  My friend owns EFI (a division of Total Gym) and that Power Trainer is close to $8,000 normal cost.  I had one at my booth at the Olympia he gave us to use.  Rent is $300?  This place must be barely 500 sq. ft. if that in size.  How the hell can you run a business in such a small area.  And 5 people can't work in that space.  Are you paying cash outright for the equipment or leasing.  A 3 year lease on that equipment alone will be close to $650 a month depending on your rate.  The EMS machine can also run you some good money if you get a decent one.  Vince go over your numbers again.  Also, a suggestion don't use the Dr. prefix.  Without malpractice insurance you would be dead soon. 

The vibration trainer I'll be getting is actually 16,000 plus 500 for the oxygen tank attachmentand the PowerTower rehab package I will have is $9,000 however I sell the Turbosonics for Maxim Labs and I'm good friends with EFI since I used to sell and sponsor their Total Gym 1100 machines back in the mid 90's back in the day.  We worked out an unsecure arrangement to where the machines will be greatly discounted in return of promotional advertising and sales of both products for the business.  However that can change of course but even if it did I'm still am going to be well under $50,000 and my requested loan will be about 75,000 which I will need for advertising, media relations, web design, and inventory of King-Bio Pharmacuticals in stock.

I've only used $20,000 as a skeleton number for the bare essentials but naturally the expenses always go up in a venture such as this because I haven't looked at zoning, building inspector, and the number one killer...advertising.   Office space is 1000 sq ft and the facility used to house another local doctor but of course that can change as well.  Space in the region between Cherokee and Waynesville is abundant thanks to foreclosures but again I may decide on more space or two adjacent spaces because I'll need a space for the inventory of supplements and homeopathic medicine.

Liability Insurance is already covered by Lloyd's but I don't need malpractice insurance since there will not be any conventional medical treatment being done or filling out prescriptions.  It's classified as a wellness center.  I may actually recruit a medical doctor who specializes in anti-aging treatment and that would actually quadtriple the revenue it could bring in but it would require more space.


Keith, you know the wellness and anti-aging clinics are popular now and no bank is going to have a problem with a loan.  Once the clinic is opened, it will pay itself off in less than a year. 

[Krankenstein]

I may actually recruit a medical doctor who specializes in anti-aging treatment and that would actually quadtriple the revenue it could bring in but it would require more space.

A little FYI on that.....unless he/she will have some major compensation from you, I would doubt you will get an MD to do this.  I didnt say impossible, but bringing an MD on is not as easy as you think.  Been down that road already.  Your best best is to go with a DC because they will be cheaper and easoer to deal with.

Bythe way vince/melvin.....what codes do you think you will be using for some of that stuff if you really believe it is covvered by insurances? The e-stim, massage, and Infra-red pretty much fall into some of the 97 cpt codes.  But I would like you to show medical necessity for it.  You think thats easy?  I would suggest you read up on Aetna's experimental and trial therapy letters on what is, and what is not covered.

As far as stim and the IR...you would have been better off getting yourself some low level cold lasers.

But I will bet you think you have allo the answers here and you will tell me you have it all figured out.....

[Melvin Goodrum]

A little FYI on that.....unless he/she will have some major compensation from you, I would doubt you will get an MD to do this.  I didnt say impossible, but bringing an MD on is not as easy as you think.  Been down that road already.  Your best best is to go with a DC because they will be cheaper and easoer to deal with.

Bythe way vince/melvin.....what codes do you think you will be using for some of that stuff if you really believe it is covvered by insurances? The e-stim, massage, and Infra-red pretty much fall into some of the 97 cpt codes.  But I would like you to show medical necessity for it.  You think thats easy?  I would suggest you read up on Aetna's experimental and trial therapy letters on what is, and what is not covered.

As far as stim and the IR...you would have been better off getting yourself some low level cold lasers.

But I will bet you think you have allo the answers here and you will tell me you have it all figured out.....

The electro-stimulators and vibration therapy will be billed under the rehab codes and won't be an issue as I will have the proper certifications for it soon and most will be referrals from hospitals anyway.  The accupuncture and massage will not be covered.  Some people bill the anaylsis machines under biofeedback codes but I won't be doing that as it isn't right.

A chiropractor would make things easier but a medical doctor would have the advantage of legally prescribing HRT and TRT therapy to patients.  It would be harder but a number of M.D's are tired of paying out the ass for malpractice insurance and long hours.  The opportunity of  3-5 days of work with weekends off and higher pay would be very attractive.

It will still take at least a year before everything is complete so nothing is in complete stone.  There's a lot of planning and work into this for all parties to be happy.

[SteelePegasus]

Melvin, there are many shopping cart systems out there..what payment gateway are they using?

1. Why do I need to register to buy something..that is so old school
2. Support Google checkout
3. Ditch the currency selector, more trouble than it is worth
4. Add full text search ability at the top of the page..don't relegate it to "advance search"
5. The product layout sucks, also add sorting, I like to sort by price
6. Enlarge image doesn't work on the product detail page doesn't work
7. Change paging structor and allow to the user to specify how many items per page to showI could go on and on


I could go on and on..

[Krankenstein]

The electro-stimulators and vibration therapy will be billed under the rehab codes and won't be an issue as I will have the proper certifications for it soon and most will be referrals from hospitals anyway.  The accupuncture and massage will not be covered.  Some people bill the anaylsis machines under biofeedback codes but I won't be doing that as it isn't right.

A chiropractor would make things easier but a medical doctor would have the advantage of legally prescribing HRT and TRT therapy to patients.  It would be harder but a number of M.D's are tired of paying out the ass for malpractice insurance and long hours.  The opportunity of  3-5 days of work with weekends off and higher pay would be very attractive.

It will still take at least a year before everything is complete so nothing is in complete stone.  There's a lot of planning and work into this for all parties to be happy.

1) What certifications are you getting that allow you to bill an insurance company?  I dont think your religious degree will allow you to get an NPI number. 

2) Most (if not all) vibration machines are being billed using the 97110 code.  This is incorrect usage and can result in SERIOUS trouble for anyone doing so.  Utilizing the NMR code 97112 is also INCORRECT as that code is deemed for usage POST STROKE.  The CPT Guide book is very explicit on this (along with the AMA CPT follow-up newsletters).  Those two are the only rehab codes allowable for rehap (not counting the therapeutic activities code, but you will need to establish the functionality purpose for doing so).  Again, I would like to see you give me an example of a medical necessity explanation for it.  In addition to all of this, I would HOPE that you will have some sort of daily note software that you will be using.  You bill insurance..guess what...you will need it.  Think its as easy as puttin ginformation down on a CMS-1500 form?  Guess again.  This is what I do for a living.  Practice management is not quite the easiest thing in the world.

3) Again, I would like to see what MD will come in NO SALARY and do what you want him/her to do.  There has to be some sort of upside (and trust me, it will be a MAJOR upside).  I was at a clinic that utilized an MD for exams and he got paid what the combined salary of what three of our docs were.  He was also there only about 1/2 the hours we were.

[Vince B]

This is going to be quite some journey for young Melvin. He had trouble applying his CSN MFT to prepare himself for physique competition. We all know his success in that endeavour.

Now, imagine the complexity involved in opening and operating a wellness clinic? Melvin will have to pray that no Getbigger ever visits that operation. In addition, he will hope pray that no client surfs the internet. Imagine if any client saw Melvin here at Getbig! I am sure that a photo of Dr Goodrum in a uniform would be cherished on Getbig and the paparazzi might visit his wellness center.  He would soon require an unlisted telephone number!

I doubt Melvin has thought this business venture through. The very fact he is announcing his plan here at Getbig shows a lack of common sense. If he has the same success as he had with Caliber Fitness then he will never be able to pay those loans off. If he is locating in an area where there are a lot of foreclosures and vacant premises then he might be in a run down or working class area and those poor people won't use his clinic or see the merit in doing so. When I took over gyms in the past the first things I discarded were the vibrators and rollers. The women loved them but they don't do what everyone claimed they did. We can only imagine the scams operating as 'treatments' in those wellness centers.

I am totally sceptical that any qualified doctor would work for Melvin Goodrum. Doctors have to study long and hard and I doubt they would respect an ignorant person charlatan with a phony PhD. Melvin is dreaming again and this time the end result might be a total disaster.

I have never seen a bank manager happy to lend money. Well, if you have security like a property then it is no trouble. If you live in a trailer on a reservation I doubt you could borrow $1000!

We should all light candles for Melvin. He keeps coming up with schemes that have no way of succeeding. I give him full marks for effort but he fails miserably in execution.

[onlyme]

This town has less than 25,000 people in it.  The casino is a major attraction and is really almost the only reason the town gets any visitors.  I highly doubt any of these visitors would come to town to solely use Goodrum's services.  I am not saying this is a bad idea but I do think it is in a wrong area that really can't support the numbers he is dreaming of.  I guess we'll see.  Keep us up to date Vince, it will make coming here more fun.

[dknole]

My new mission is to help others live healthier with more vitality and spirit.  Here's a few of the services we will be offering:

Health Analysis
*Electro-Dermal Screening
*Hair, Blood, and Saliva Testing

Detoxification
    * Nutrition, homeopathy and enzyme therapy
    * ONDAMED®
    * Far Infrared Sauna
    * Detoxing foot bath
    * Aromatherapy, Electro-acupuncture,
    * Stress reduction
Pain management
    * Therapeutic massage
    * SCENAR
    * ONDAMED®
Allergy elimination
 
    * Food and environmental sensitivities
    * Weight management

Sports Performance & Rehab
* Vibration Therapy Trainer
*  EFI Medical Systems PowerTower
*  Electro-Stimulator Machine
*  Infrared Light Therapy for Sports Injuries



Basically, I'm bringing Holistic & Chinese Medicine into the 21st Century and creating a new way of life for people seeking optimum health.  I will have a staff of about 5 people and the facility will be very low maintenence.  The total cost for expenditures will be under 20,000 dollars and my lease payment for the office space per month will only be 300 dollars.


The doctorate is in Metaphysics Science but I'm still continuing my studies at another college for another doctorate.

Mail order doctorate - you would be listed in UMPI/Proquest database  if you had really graduated from an recognized university.

[Havenbull]

Clearly Vince's new venture has been proven to be futile.  I once worked as a sales rep in the B2B nutriceutical business, dealing with Chiropractors, Naturopaths, LMT, acupuncturists, osteopaths, and other so-called integrative health specialists. 

And I can tell that nearly 50-60 % of the people are slightly off in the head and they deal with stange patients, most of whom are deranged, uneducated, poor, and foreign.

[Vince B]

What amazes me is why Melvin thinks he can reinvent himself on the internet. He doesn't realize that he is at his stellar best when he is fair dinkum and serious. Why he chose Getbig to announce his new enterprise is a mystery. I wonder if Melvin could be good enough to scan his doctorate degree diploma document so we can see what he obtained. I would be interested to know what other doctorate he is pursuing on line. There are some universities that offer doctorates to some who must qualify by writing a thesis. Surely an intelligent, original, and significant thesis is beyond our mate Melvin!

[The Squadfather]

What amazes me is why Melvin thinks he can reinvent himself on the internet. He doesn't realize that he is at his stellar best when he is fair dinkum and serious. Why he chose Getbig to announce his new enterprise is a mystery. I wonder if Melvin could be good enough to scan his doctorate degree diploma document so we can see what he obtained. I would be interested to know what other doctorate he is pursuing on line. There are some universities that offer doctorates to some who must qualify by writing a thesis. Surely an intelligent, original, and significant thesis is beyond our mate Melvin!

he still has to wipe all the Cracker Jack residue off his "diploma" so we can read what's on it.