Reason #1 not to have ANY of the democrats as president.

[gtbro1]

 Reason number 1 to keep republicans out.


         

[Deedee]

I guess what people don't consider is that the average trailer trash dweller is probably going to spend the suplus of his hard-earned minimum wage check on beer and cigarettes, whereas contributing to his own health care is too expensive and not as important.  So, when that person gets sick and ends up in the hospital emergency room, it's the taxpayer who pays anyway.  Why donot force this person to contribute as much as everyone else and at least mitigate the cost of his own healthcare?  

Many people who could afford to have health insurance don't, and this keeps the cost high for everyone else.

[OzmO]

Keep ur socialist bullshit in Canada..I'm not paying more money to support those who leach off of our system. We now have states that will cover illiegal aliens. So what i will have to pay for anybody who manages to set foot in the US. A blended system where insurance is affordable would be great and could work but every douche bag with a lawyer will have to stop sueing or we'll get nowhere.

Good points.

Imagine.......  no more rampant malpractice suing............  and illegals not being able to get care, in fact illegals not even being here.

Makes, Universal Health Care, or some form of it, easier to swallow.

Or we could just buy the Bullshit about the high cost of health insurance and prescription drugs, being a result of these malpractice suits while these companies get richer and richer and we feel better about ourselves because "our" money isn't helping some lazy fat bastard.

Makes monster sense to the average Hard Working American who's just trying to get by and raise a family.

[240 is Back]

people with insurance get little things fixed/looked at.

people without insurance let them fester into really bad things.  Then, they either spread it to ten nice people, or they go into the ER in the middle of a Sat night and leave a $3500 emergency bill they'll never pay.

Guys, it's a lot cheaper to require everyone to chip in 'some' and be covered, so they'll fix shit early.  Or your tax dollars cn pay for 50 million ppl to walk out on a $3500 bill each year.

[OzmO]

people with insurance get little things fixed/looked at.

people without insurance let them fester into really bad things.  Then, they either spread it to ten nice people, or they go into the ER in the middle of a Sat night and leave a $3500 emergency bill they'll never pay.

Guys, it's a lot cheaper to require everyone to chip in 'some' and be covered, so they'll fix shit early.  Or your tax dollars cn pay for 50 million ppl to walk out on a $3500 bill each year.

NO NO NO!


I've been slowly convinced by the propaganda spewed out by politicians bought off by these companies.

I will not vote for something that might make our country even remotely socialist! 

Because that will lead to communism!

And i am not a pink-o commy!

And will not watch my tax dollars spent on lazy fat people!

I want them spent on those unpaid bills, over priced drugs and over priced insurnace and over priced care!!!!!!

That way i feel better about myself and my ideals!!!

[Deedee]

people with insurance get little things fixed/looked at.

people without insurance let them fester into really bad things.  Then, they either spread it to ten nice people, or they go into the ER in the middle of a Sat night and leave a $3500 emergency bill they'll never pay.

Guys, it's a lot cheaper to require everyone to chip in 'some' and be covered, so they'll fix shit early.  Or your tax dollars cn pay for 50 million ppl to walk out on a $3500 bill each year.

That's what I mean.  You end up supporting the fat bastard for free since s/he isn't covered at all.  Why not make them responsible for at least some of the cost by requiring them to contribute to their own health.  

[headhuntersix]

How about....I've chipped in enough. How about cutting off aid to all these worthless countries..or the millions donated to all these stupid charities..the NEA etc etc. Then inact tort reform and Caps on damages..law suits have amounted to winning the lottery. Case in point, a buddy of mine, who i served in the Marines with, got hit by a semi, his gf at the time got hurt but he was ok, banged up but ok. He got enough to buy into a Mercedes dealership on Long Island. Good for him, but what does that do to the system.

[24KT]

So, what I'm reading is it's ok for yours, my taxes to pay for someone else's health care??  No thanks, not for me.  There's enough gov't entitlements coming out of my paycheck.

Are you equally adamant about the portion of your taxes that go to pay for law enforcement and the court system?
Especially since you are such a law abiding individual, ...and would never end up in the criminal justice system?

How about a portion of your tax dollars going to pay for the Firefighters who douse the flames coming out of your neighbour's house? Do you have a problem with that too? Especially since you don't play with matches?

I'd like to suggest you read through the wiki link that Deedee posted (in it's entirety).
It's the most comprehensive analysis juxtaposing the two systems that I've ever seen

[OzmO]

How about....I've chipped in enough. How about cutting off aid to all these worthless countries..or the millions donated to all these stupid charities..the NEA etc etc. Then inact tort reform and Caps on damages..law suits have amounted to winning the lottery. Case in point, a buddy of mine, who i served in the Marines with, got hit by a semi, his gf at the time got hurt but he was ok, banged up but ok. He got enough to buy into a Mercedes dealership on Long Island. Good for him, but what does that do to the system.

I really think if we spend the money better, manage it smartly, combined with tort reform, caps etc... we can achieve what we want without raising taxes.

Every child under 18 and under 21 if going to college, at least in the US can have free health care.

[mightymouse72]

I guess what people don't consider is that the average trailer trash dweller is probably going to spend the suplus of his hard-earned minimum wage check on beer and cigarettes, whereas contributing to his own health care is too expensive and not as important.  So, when that person gets sick and ends up in the hospital emergency room, it's the taxpayer who pays anyway.  Why donot force this person to contribute as much as everyone else and at least mitigate the cost of his own healthcare?  

Many people who could afford to have health insurance don't, and this keeps the cost high for everyone else.

I would have respected your comment more without the trailer trash comment.  Trailer trash/ Ghetto covers everyone!
However, when lower income people have an option of course they are going to choose the gov't funded HC.  That's a no-brainer.  It will be a lot cheaper and they won't see the bill every month.  Why the heck should I pay for someone's doctor visits when they make 30 grand a year, drive 2 SUV's, and live in a $200,000 house and the only reason they want the gov't HC is because it's cheaper??

There are just so many avenues of abuse. 

Fine tune the system we have. Screw Hillary-care.

Health insurance should be a top priority for everyone, especially people with families.  Food, shelter, clothes, insurance.

[gtbro1]

people with insurance get little things fixed/looked at.

people without insurance let them fester into really bad things.  Then, they either spread it to ten nice people, or they go into the ER in the middle of a Sat night and leave a $3500 emergency bill they'll never pay.

Guys, it's a lot cheaper to require everyone to chip in 'some' and be covered, so they'll fix shit early.  Or your tax dollars cn pay for 50 million ppl to walk out on a $3500 bill each year.

   Many companies now are giving workers an incentive to stay healthy to keep costs down.The company I work for pays to have every employee screened. They come in every October and measure and  weigh  you and estimate bf%. They also draw blood and check cholesterol, liver enzymes and all that. You get a score between 0 and 100. The employees who are in a certain healthy range get a considerable discount on their health insurance.Both in the premium and the deductable. Even if you do not score well enough to be in that range, as long as you made a certain amount of improvement from the year before( I think it was 8 points), you qualify for it.The test also screen you for nicotine...tobacco users have a fairly big penalty assessed against their score.

[gtbro1]

I guess what people don't consider is that the average trailer trash dweller is probably going to spend the suplus of his hard-earned minimum wage check on beer and cigarettes, whereas contributing to his own health care is too expensive and not as important.  So, when that person gets sick and ends up in the hospital emergency room, it's the taxpayer who pays anyway.  Why donot force this person to contribute as much as everyone else and at least mitigate the cost of his own healthcare?  

Many people who could afford to have health insurance don't, and this keeps the cost high for everyone else.

   Rich people smoke a drink also. Regardless of income smokers will continue to smoke and drinkers will drink. People tend to put their habits/ addictions first. All people.

[mightymouse72]

Are you equally adamant about the portion of your taxes that go to pay for law enforcement and the court system?
Especially since you are such a law abiding individual, ...and would never end up in the criminal justice system?

How about a portion of your tax dollars going to pay for the Firefighters who douse the flames coming out of your neighbour's house? Do you have a problem with that too? Especially since you don't play with matches?

I'd like to suggest you read through the wiki link that Deedee posted (in it's entirety).
It's the most comprehensive analysis juxtaposing the two systems that I've ever seen

Those things are the gov't's responsibility.  Not to pay for 'Tyrell's' cut finger.

[24KT]

Those things are the gov't's resposibility.

Why?

Not to pay for 'Tyrell's' cut finger.

Under the Cdn system of universal healthcare, the goverment wouldn't be paying for anyone's cut finger,
...but they would ensure that everyone has insurance, that would allow them to seek medical treatment where warranted. under the sytem you have now, the guy with the cut finger goes into emerg, and YOU pay for it.

I'm serious, ...read the wiki link

[Deedee]

   Rich people smoke a drink also. Regardless of income smokers will continue to smoke and drinkers will drink. People tend to put their habits/ addictions first. All people.

Yes, my comment wasn't really about the smoking and drinking other than to say that many lower income individuals will indulge their habits and comforts before they think about their own healthcare.  Rich people smoke and drink, but they also pay for their insurance coverage.  One part of society ends up paying for those who have no healthcare whatsoever anyway.  I was just saying why not at least collect "something" from these people.

[gtbro1]

Yes, my comment wasn't really about the smoking and drinking other than to say that many lower income individuals will indulge their habits and comforts before they think about their own healthcare.  Rich people smoke and drink, but they also pay for their insurance coverage.  One part of society ends up paying for those who have no healthcare whatsoever anyway.  I was just saying why not at least collect "something" from these people.

  I think cigarettes should have a tax that goes toward healthcare since smoking has to be one of the major causes of health problems.

[mightymouse72]

Why?

Under the Cdn system of universal healthcare, the goverment wouldn't be paying for anyone's cut finger,
...but they would ensure that everyone has insurance, that would allow them to seek medical treatment where warranted. under the sytem you have now, the guy with the cut finger goes into emerg, and YOU pay for it.

I'm serious, ...read the wiki link

 Emergency personnel (cops, medical, fire) are there to protect your rights.  In our constitution.

Of course I'm paying for Tyrell's cut finger.  The moron doesn't have insurance. 
I'm also paying for his:
6 babies he had by 6 women,
his food he buys with his monthly welfare checks,
his 3 meals per day and cable TV when he gets locked up......
I could go on, you get my point.

[24KT]

  I think cigarettes should have a tax that goes toward healthcare since smoking has to be one of the major causes of health problems.

{LOL} That's why cigarettes in Ontario are $11^.oo a pack. 

[24KT]

 Emergency personnel (cops, medical, fire) are there to protect your rights.  In our constitution.

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right to police, medical or fire protection?

Of course I'm paying for Tyrell's cut finger.  The moron doesn't have insurance.

And with the exhorbitant premiums and whimsical coverage providerd in the US, he will never have it, ...and you will continue to pay for it, ...until you yourself are priced out of insurance coverage too.
 

I'm also paying for his:
6 babies he had by 6 women,
his food he buys with his monthly welfare checks,
his 3 meals per day and cable TV when he gets locked up......
I could go on, you get my point.

I don't get your point, because you don't have one. Maybe I need to don a white sheet to see it. 
ps: When's the cross burning?

[Decker]

In Socialized Medicine, Everyone Is A Doctor

Have you seen the wave of Big Pharmaceutical commercials?

Enlarged prostate?  Trouble sleeping?  Nervous fucking leg?  Can't get it up?  High Cholesterol?  Indigestion?  Anal drip?  And on and on. 

"Well then recommend to your doctor....."

We are not doctors yet we are supposed to be making recommendations to our doctors for our treatment so Big Pharma can chalk up a few more sales?

We are not qualified to do that.

If BP had it's way, I'd be on 30 pills a day just to be "normal".

[240 is Back]

Of course I'm paying for Tyrell's cut finger.  The moron doesn't have insurance. 
I'm also paying for his:
6 babies he had by 6 women,
his food he buys with his monthly welfare checks,
his 3 meals per day and cable TV when he gets locked up......
I could go on, you get my point.

Gee, it's not like your racist side is showing or anything, eh?


You're blinded by your anger.  You're not seeing the NUMBERS that the rest of us are.  A sixth of the population cannot provide healthcare for themselves currently.  They do, however, get treated, in emergency rooms.

They are going to get healed no matter what - in the ER or at a clinic.  They have too.  Otherwire, "Tyrell", as you put it, will contract rabies or staph or something, and give it to YOUR KID.  So we take care of that 1/6 of the population so keep the other 83% alive.  Get it?

So, if you can accept this much - can you? - you have to see what's more cost efficient - giving "Tyrell" an ER visit for $3500 once or twice a year, or subsidizing his healthcare with a small $1000 (or similar) pricetag for preventative care.

[Tre]

Reason number 1 to keep republicans out.


         

The ultimate trump card.

If I'm on the campaign trail in October, I'm throwing W under the bus at every available opportunity.

[OzmO]

Gee, it's not like your racist side is showing or anything, eh?


You're blinded by your anger.  You're not seeing the NUMBERS that the rest of us are.  A sixth of the population cannot provide healthcare for themselves currently.  They do, however, get treated, in emergency rooms.

They are going to get healed no matter what - in the ER or at a clinic.  They have too.  Otherwire, "Tyrell", as you put it, will contract rabies or staph or something, and give it to YOUR KID.  So we take care of that 1/6 of the population so keep the other 83% alive.  Get it?

So, if you can accept this much - can you? - you have to see what's more cost efficient - giving "Tyrell" an ER visit for $3500 once or twice a year, or subsidizing his healthcare with a small $1000 (or similar) pricetag for preventative care.

I wonder if political alignment clouds objectivity or makes a person easy pickings for idealistic manipulations on these issues?

One way or another we are paying for it.  Only the current way, someone else is making a huge profit.

[mightymouse72]

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right to police, medical or fire protection?

And with the exhorbitant premiums and whimsical coverage providerd in the US, he will never have it, ...and you will continue to pay for it, ...until you yourself are priced out of insurance coverage too.
 
I don't get your point, because you don't have one. Maybe I need to don a white sheet to see it. 
ps: When's the cross burning?

Okay Mr. Jaguar.  We were having a nice conversation until the stupid insults.

Those people are put into commuities to protect YOURS, MINE AND OUR RIGHTS.  Think about it because I'm tired of typing it.
Because the first time your rights are violated, who do you call??  Got it now??

Boy, you and that dummy 240 can sure cry racism when some comment is used but when a god-hater starts with his vile language I guess you assume it's OK because I've never read any defense from you.

I was making an analogy.  Use whatever name you what and spin the facts to whatever suits your beliefs.  Point is, I don't want my tax dollars going to pay for anymore gov't funded subsidies when every other one is abused to no end.  No one in this country will disagree with that. 

  Definition:  You don't give a thief a new way to steal.  A society cannot just throw its hands up and say "alright, we know your abusing the system so here's a new way to abuse it, but don't abuse it."

 

[240 is Back]

that dummy 240

Were you going to counter my above argument with something logical?

Or are you the dummy here?