couldn't agree more GH, why do you think that the strength level of bodybuilders has gone down so much since the 80's and 70's? better drugs back then?
Crappy machine workouts, no more heavy deadlifts and free weight exercises.
Personally I have to laugh when I see a Cutler training dvd, tons of size, and 315 for reps deadlifts

, what a mess.
A guy like Franco Columbo, that's what bb is about.