Skip LaCour: Natural or not?

[jason armstrong]

If he was tested year round he would fail the Test, instead he uses Testosterone(Masteron)short acting ester cleaned out but the body in a matter of weeks, probaly uses this 2 weeks before the contest,his on HGH,IGF with the high test makes that HGH more dramatic in weight increased and conditioning.
I was once naive and thought he was natural now i know to get his size and conditioning are from drugs,Test him year round instead on the date of the contest and he be Busted,theres no way he could outmuscle Steve Reeves and Reg Park in the 50s by 30 pounds and much lower Bodyfat.

goddamn you are dumb.
Testosterone isn't masteron
too separate steroid asshole.
post something accurate or shut the fk up

[TrueGrit]

He knows what every criminal and confidence trickster does : deny, deny and deny. Eventually a few people might start believing you.

I hope some fan goes Jigsaw on his pinholed ass and makes him jump in a barrel of his syringes like that Junkie bitch in the crappy second film - only decent character was the Latino juicer, who Skip would probably have related to well.

[KillerMonk]

goddamn you are dumb.
Testosterone isn't masteron
too separate steroid asshole.
post something accurate or shut the fk up

So i got Masteron mixed up with Test, its been a while since i have used.Other than that what i said is accurate tested year round he would FAIL.
Why don,t you get your head out of your ass because all you do is post negative shit.Hope this helps you pole smoker.

[MCWAY]

and why would it even matter?  He's not being tested.   He hasn't competed in over 4 years.  He did enter Team Universe, but they never publish the results of their drug tests, nor have they every disqualified anyone who failed the test.   If TU actually performs drug testing, he could have failed it every year 1994-2003 and we'd never know.    The IFBB World Games, like all IFBB international events, randomly drug tests a small fraction of the contestants.

1990 was probably the last time he entered a truly drug tested contest.

Drug testing is expensive, which is usually why only the top 3 or 5 of a weight class get screened. I've heard rumors that those who pop positive at TU shows simply don't get to compete and get dismissed quietly.

If someone take roids in natural show and still places 10th or 15th, it ain't even worth the effort to collect the sample.

LaCour has been competing as a natural bodybuilder since (at least) 1994. And, he's worked for MET-Rx, Twinlab, and now AST.

When he was with Twinlab, Steve Blechman had him as part of his staff, writing articles for All-Natural Muscular Development. In the first issue of ANMD, Blechman stated that he would only have natural bodybuilders on staff (which included LaCour). He also stated that all his guys would be tested and that, if anyone popped positive, they'd get canned and he would exposed them in his magazine.

You'd think that, after all these years, if LaCour (or any other well-known "nattie", at that time) had flunked a drug test over the last decade or so, someone would have the goods and made it public, by now.

As I said about the WBF in 1992, how many folks would support a bodybuilding show or organization, if it tested the way McMahon did back then? Again, Mike Christian popped positive and got fined $25,000, a month's pay; but, he was allowed to compete. If anyone remembers what he looked like at the 1992 WBF Championship, I think it's safe to say that he was being tested thoroughly.

The biggest knock on the TU seems to be its 1-year drug-free policy. Most folks feel that isn't enough, as some former drug users might still have some "residual effects" from their past roid use that would give them an advantage. That's the biggest controversy about drug-tested shows: How long does a former steroid user have to be off to be truly considered drug-free?

[Bluto]

Drug testing is expensive, which is usually why only the top 3 or 5 of a weight class get screened. I've heard rumors that those who pop positive at TU shows simply don't get to compete and get dismissed quietly.

If someone take roids in natural show and still places 10th or 15th, it ain't even worth the effort to collect the sample.

LaCour has been competing as a natural bodybuilder since (at least) 1994. And, he's worked for MET-Rx, Twinlab, and now AST.

When he was with Twinlab, Steve Blechman had him as part of his staff, writing articles for All-Natural Muscular Development. In the first issue of ANMD, Blechman stated that he would only have natural bodybuilders on staff (which included LaCour). He also stated that all his guys would be tested and that, if anyone popped positive, they'd get canned and he would exposed them in his magazine.

You'd think that, after all these years, if LaCour (or any other well-known "nattie", at that time) had flunked a drug test over the last decade or so, someone would have the goods and made it public, by now.

As I said about the WBF in 1992, how many folks would support a bodybuilding show or organization, if it tested the way McMahon did back then? Again, Mike Christian popped positive and got fined $25,000, a month's pay; but, he was allowed to compete. If anyone remembers what he looked like at the 1992 WBF Championship, I think it's safe to say that he was being tested thoroughly.

The biggest knock on the TU seems to be its 1-year drug-free policy. Most folks feel that isn't enough, as some former drug users might still have some "residual effects" from their past roid use that would give them an advantage. That's the biggest controversy about drug-tested shows: How long does a former steroid user have to be off to be truly considered drug-free?

so what are you saying you reckon he is natural or not?

[jason armstrong]

So i got Masteron mixed up with Test, its been a while since i have used.Other than that what i said is accurate tested year round he would FAIL.
Why don,t you get your head out of your ass because all you do is post negative shit.Hope this helps you pole smoker.

nice imbecile another asshole pretending to know something.
jesus there are some brutally stupid kids on here like you.
like i said keep your mouth shut  about shit you dot know about which seems to be EVERYTHING

[timfogarty]

Drug testing is expensive, which is usually why only the top 3 or 5 of a weight class get screened. I've heard rumors that those who pop positive at TU shows simply don't get to compete and get dismissed quietly.

those two statements aren't compatible.   the top 3 or 5 aren't known until after they compete.   plus drug tests take time to process.   either TU is testing everyone days or weeks in advance, and quietly dismissing those who fail, or they're testing the top 3-5 after the contest.  but no one has ever lost their placing, so there doesn't seem to be any consequences in failing a drug test.

When he was with Twinlab, Steve Blechman had him as part of his staff, writing articles for All-Natural Muscular Development. In the first issue of ANMD, Blechman stated that he would only have natural bodybuilders on staff (which included LaCour). He also stated that all his guys would be tested and that, if anyone popped positive, they'd get canned and he would exposed them in his magazine.

talk is cheap.  it gives you plausible deniability.  no one was ever exposed, so therefore no one ever failed a drug test.  or maybe no one was ever given a drug test because no one really wants to know.   those in power know that you have to take drugs to look the way the public expects you to look.

You'd think that, after all these years, if LaCour (or any other well-known "nattie", at that time) had flunked a drug test over the last decade or so, someone would have the goods and made it public, by now.

perhaps he's never flunked a drug test because no test has ever been completed, or the results were never looked at.   everyone pees in a cup at musclemania, but then they're poured down the drain.

As I said about the WBF in 1992, how many folks would support a bodybuilding show or organization, if it tested the way McMahon did back then?

no one.  Fans will not attend a pro show where all the guys are smaller than the guys at your local gym.

[TrueGrit]

We all know that Skip is not a lifetime natural. If you genuinely believe that in the course of his entire life and training - just the early days if you want to insist he is clean now - that AAS have never entered his bloodstream then you're beyond hope.

[Bluto]

We all know that Skip is not a lifetime natural. If you genuinely believe that in the course of his entire life and training - just the early days if you want to insist he is clean now - that AAS have never entered his bloodstream then you're beyond hope.

whats his early days? didnt he start out really late?

[TrueGrit]

whats his early days? didnt he start out really late?

When he first started training.

[Bluto]

When he first started training.

why would he start off juicing from the get go? thats not so common

[TrueGrit]

why would he start off juicing from the get go? thats not so common

Bluto..I mean his early years. People might say 'he has defo been clean for x years' ..my point is that we all know he has taken AAS.


 I also , sadly, have seen many guys start juicing within a few months of training. Lot of 'gurus' around with 'just what you need' in nearly every gym I've worked out in

[MCWAY]

so what are you saying you reckon he is natural or not?

My point was that, if anyone has set up set up for a huge fall if his drug-free claims weren't true, it's one Skip LaCour. I would have thought the MD crew (who went from swearing that no steroid-using bodybuilder would ever be in their magazine again, to singing the praises of roids) would have been the first to "out" LaCour, Coleman (the "Alcatraz" one), Faildo, and the others, being that MD is "hardcore" and all.

[MCWAY]

those two statements aren't compatible.   the top 3 or 5 aren't known until after they compete.   plus drug tests take time to process.   either TU is testing everyone days or weeks in advance, and quietly dismissing those who fail, or they're testing the top 3-5 after the contest.  but no one has ever lost their placing, so there doesn't seem to be any consequences in failing a drug test.

My guess is that the former is happening: those who flunk the test get dismissed and don't get to compete at the TU.

talk is cheap.  it gives you plausible deniability.  no one was ever exposed, so therefore no one ever failed a drug test.  or maybe no one was ever given a drug test because no one really wants to know.   those in power know that you have to take drugs to look the way the public expects you to look.

With Blechman ditching his word that no steroid-using bodybuilders would ever be in his magazine again, to signing the praises of roids (once he separated from Twinlab), I'd think that he (or someone on his staff, who was with him during the ANMD days) would have spilled the beans on LaCour or any of the other guys.

perhaps he's never flunked a drug test because no test has ever been completed, or the results were never looked at.   everyone pees in a cup at musclemania, but then they're poured down the drain.

Again, if someone had a report on a flunked sample by LaCour, it would have been exposed, to this point.

no one.  Fans will not attend a pro show where all the guys are smaller than the guys at your local gym.

Then, the fans need to quite complaining about drugs in bodybuilding and the health of the bodybuilders, blaiming the problems on the promoters, Weider, etc.


Besides, even as off as they were, the WBF bodybuilders were far bigger than your average gym rat (except for maybe Mike Christian and David Dearth).

[timfogarty]

My guess is that the former is happening: those who flunk the test get dismissed and don't get to compete at the TU.

No, they are not testing people days prior to the contest.

Then, the fans need to quite complaining about drugs in bodybuilding and the health of the bodybuilders, blaiming the problems on the promoters, Weider, etc.

what people are complaining about are the abuse of GH, insulin and diuretics.  The protruding stomachs, the grainy skin.  (and the strangely shaped muscles from synthol and site injections)  Most would be quite happy with the relatively healthy looking physiques of the late 1970s and early 1980s.    The judges have complete control over that.

Besides, even as off as they were, the WBF bodybuilders were far bigger than your average gym rat

IF they were clean, they were at most 6 months clean.    Years of massive doses followed by 6 months or even a year of no steroids does not give you a natural physique.   If you truly get rid of performance enhancing drugs, you'll have physiques of the 1950s.

[Van_Bilderass]

Tim Fogarty knows bodybuilding. MCWAY, not so much. 

MCWAY, when MD went "all natural" it still featured pretty much all doped up physiques. Just a touch smaller.

[New Hank Wood]

Look, Skip is a business man, first and foremost.  His business is selling a product; the product being 'the natural ideal'.

Skip has grown wealthy selling this illusion.  Many fans of the industry believe in Skip's product.  Skip will continue to play upon the gullibility of these misguided and deluded wannabees. 

Skip will continue to 'not' practice what he preaches as he knows that is where the money is at!

Keep on shootin those syringes Skip, and keep on cashing those cheques.

[MCWAY]

No, they are not testing people days prior to the contest.

what people are complaining about are the abuse of GH, insulin and diuretics.  The protruding stomachs, the grainy skin.  (and the strangely shaped muscles from synthol and site injections)  Most would be quite happy with the relatively healthy looking physiques of the late 1970s and early 1980s.    The judges have complete control over that.

So who defines "use" vs. "abuse"? We could have many of the same health problems from some (not all) of the "relatively healthy looking physiques".

IF they were clean, they were at most 6 months clean.    Years of massive doses followed by 6 months or even a year of no steroids does not give you a natural physique.   If you truly get rid of performance enhancing drugs, you'll have physiques of the 1950s.

Three months, actually. The WBF started its drug testing in March 4, 1992; the WBF Championship was June 13th that same year.

[aliamini]

Bill Philips said he was natural and look where he got EAS … the biggest supplement company … in 06 EAS was estimated to be worth US$800 million … compare to the 2nd biggest Muscletech US$ 80 million … all of that by promoting natural fitness / bodybuilding … and that is what skip is doing …

Bill sold the company to Abbott Pharmaceutical for US$400 million in 04 ( I think) … his share was US$ 300 million … he went on investing US$ 130 or 150 million in a new supplement company thinking it will do the same … but he ended up losing the amount … I don’t even know the name of that company … very wrong move if you ask me … now says it is really hard to get in the supplement market … or even survive for that matter is you are not a leader and have been one of the pioneers …

Asking g if skip is natural or not is like when Britney spears said she was a virgin … everyone knew the answer … but … some people still wanted to think she was … so the same thing with skip … for any actual bodybuilder the reality is clear … but some of them still want to believe he is natural …

P.S. doping test does not indicate natural bodybuilding

[busyB]

Training Mentzer/Yates style for 13 years. Perhaps, that is a cause of your limited success. Heavy Duty has produced more causalties than champions, it seems, as people either get injured or burned out. Again, while I'm nowhere near LaCour's development (or even yours, perhaps), I remember that in my younger years, I got better results when following tips from 4-time Mr. Universe, Bill Pearl. One such tip was to STOP training to failure. That severely increased my ability to recover from training.

Are you an ectomorph, like me? If so, maybe eating "dirty", instead of "clean", would help you increase in mass. By "dirty" I mean beef, instead of chicken, whole eggs, instead of egg whites, etc. It took that kind of eating to get me over 200 lbs.; but, it worked.

I think for skinny guys, trying to eat "clean" and gain mass is an exercise in frustration. I once thought I might have to take steroids just to get to 200 lbs. But, using the aforementioned training and diet practices, one college semester, I went from 189 to 210 lbs. in three months, drug-free. I wasn't ripped at that weight; but overall, I was much bigger and stronger for my efforts.

Well MR. Ecto, I am far from skinny and never was skinny, sorry you had to go thru life that way... but thanks for the tips, even though they have no relavance to me or my level of development.. I never realized you needed to eat to grow. What a revelation genius!!

I never said my progress was hampered by my HD training style. Was making an illustration that I was training similar to Skip, ate similar to Skip but yet never could reach his level of conditioning natural. He could have superior genetics, true, but I just don't see it being possible to be at the level he was without at least GH. That is all!

[Mars]

Yes, muffin, same brown hair!!! As for the outfit, let's wait until after i get home from work

Lisa

why you flirt with other men Lisa? you know what they do with this kind of things on the holy land of Saudie Arabia?

[MCWAY]

Well MR. Ecto, I am far from skinny and never was skinny, sorry you had to go thru life that way... but thanks for the tips, even though they have no relavance to me or my level of development.. I never realized you needed to eat to grow. What a revelation genius!!

Don't cry for me, BusyB!!! I used to think that being an ectomorph was a curse. Instead, it became an advantage.

And, despite your "kind" remark, my personal discovery wasn't simply that I needed to eat; it was WHAT I needed to eat.  Believe me, I'll take whole eggs over egg whites and beef over chicken, almost anyday.

I never said my progress was hampered by my HD training style. Was making an illustration that I was training similar to Skip, ate similar to Skip but yet never could reach his level of conditioning natural. He could have superior genetics, true, but I just don't see it being possible to be at the level he was without at least GH. That is all!

Never claimed you did (hence, the use of the word, "PERHAPS"). But, I've interacted with a number of posters who burned themselves out, using HD.

[busyB]

Don't cry for me, BusyB!!! I used to think that being an ectomorph was a curse. Instead, it became an advantage.

And, despite your "kind" remark, my personal discovery wasn't simply that I needed to eat; it was WHAT I needed to eat.  Believe me, I'll take whole eggs over egg whites and beef over chicken, almost anyday.

Never claimed you did (hence, the use of the word, "PERHAPS"). But, I've interacted with a number of posters who burned themselves out, using HD.

Yeah, you said, "might be the cause of my limited success" "caused more casualties than champions"

I did quite well competiting and training HD style and know lots of guys that have too..I think some guy named Dorian only won 6 Mr. O's with this training style, what a failure.     

[New Hank Wood]

Skip,the truth will set you free. 

By unloading and admitting to drug abuse over the years will be a cleansing and rewarding experience for Skip.

Skip spends his whole time trying to cover his ass.  Must be exhausting for this pill popper.

[timfogarty]

Skip,the truth will set you free. 

Hank Wood, the truth will set you free.  Stand by your words with your real name.  People will take what you say more seriously.