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« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2008, 01:37:01 PM »
You can say this because you checked LFTs and albumin levels before and after D - bol and then compared it to Tylenol and looked for statistical significance  ::) You so called "gurus", are exactly why bodybuilding has become a joke and a freak show. D-bol occupies cytochrome p450 and many other cytochromes MUCH more than tylenol, not that tylenol is not toxic to the liver. LFTs are always checked when giving oral anabolics, this is starded of care in most American hospitals. In fact, when you deal with cancer patients, status post chemo, and give them ORAL anabolics, such as D-bol, LFTs along with albumin are always checked. However, LFTs do not have to be checked with tylenol, assuming the patient is not overdosing on tylenol, which sadly is not always checked. No offence Disgusted, do not make blank statements without really understanding what you are talking about. Then again this is very typical of "drug gurus." Human beings should not be used as lab rats for you "gurus" to test your absurd theories on. Let the real doctors deal with real science.

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Insulting me does not make you look any more credible.  ::) BTW, as I stated above, BB at times eat very little and they also fast to some degree. Your cytochrome p450 reference is bullshit, but here's a little info for you concerning cytochrome p450 and tylenol anyway Dr.  ::)


Many commentators believe the frequent, regular use of alcohol (ethanol), when combined with APAP, "revs-up" the cytochrome P450 system producing higher quantities of the harmful metabolite/NAPQI. While this may be true, and warnings are now contained on the labels of APAP-containing products relative to dangers associated with liver damage from the use of alcohol and APAP, a growing body of evidence seems to indicate the more significant causal factor is nutrition, i.e., "fasting". Chronic alcoholics are notorious for poor nutrition and diet - often replacing food with liquid. However, retrospective studies going back over the last ten (10) years indicate a relationship between fasting, APAP, little to infrequent use of alcohol by patients, and liver damage. This includes patients who are most typically unable to eat due to nausea from the flu or flu-like symptoms, stomach virus, dental pain, and the like. Moreover, basic science studies performed and repeated over the last two plus decades add additional support to the fasting connection.

What appears to happen under these circumstances is that the "traffic" of APAP along the "expressways" of glucuronidation and sulfation slow down, and exit onto the "access road", the cytochrome P-450, CYP 2E1 pathway. Concurrent with this phenomenon is that levels of glutathione begin to become depleted, at least the glutathione available to conjugate, bind with and detoxify NAPQI. The net effect is that a patient winds up with more NAPQI, less glutathione for detoxification, and the liver's defenses are ultimately overrun and defeated. Liver death soon follows, as well as the patient's very life, unless a successful transplant is accomplished. Even if the fortuitous, successful transplant occurs, you may likely be left with a brain-damaged client who will need expensive anti-rejection drugs (that carry with them a host of potential complications, including subsequent kidney dysfunction), among other things, for the rest of their life.


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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2008, 02:27:22 PM »
Insulting me does not make you look any more credible.  ::) BTW, as I stated above, BB at times eat very little and they also fast to some degree. Your cytochrome p450 reference is bullshit, but here's a little info for you concerning cytochrome p450 and tylenol anyway Dr.  ::)


Many commentators believe the frequent, regular use of alcohol (ethanol), when combined with APAP, "revs-up" the cytochrome P450 system producing higher quantities of the harmful metabolite/NAPQI. While this may be true, and warnings are now contained on the labels of APAP-containing products relative to dangers associated with liver damage from the use of alcohol and APAP, a growing body of evidence seems to indicate the more significant causal factor is nutrition, i.e., "fasting". Chronic alcoholics are notorious for poor nutrition and diet - often replacing food with liquid. However, retrospective studies going back over the last ten (10) years indicate a relationship between fasting, APAP, little to infrequent use of alcohol by patients, and liver damage. This includes patients who are most typically unable to eat due to nausea from the flu or flu-like symptoms, stomach virus, dental pain, and the like. Moreover, basic science studies performed and repeated over the last two plus decades add additional support to the fasting connection.

What appears to happen under these circumstances is that the "traffic" of APAP along the "expressways" of glucuronidation and sulfation slow down, and exit onto the "access road", the cytochrome P-450, CYP 2E1 pathway. Concurrent with this phenomenon is that levels of glutathione begin to become depleted, at least the glutathione available to conjugate, bind with and detoxify NAPQI. The net effect is that a patient winds up with more NAPQI, less glutathione for detoxification, and the liver's defenses are ultimately overrun and defeated. Liver death soon follows, as well as the patient's very life, unless a successful transplant is accomplished. Even if the fortuitous, successful transplant occurs, you may likely be left with a brain-damaged client who will need expensive anti-rejection drugs (that carry with them a host of potential complications, including subsequent kidney dysfunction), among other things, for the rest of their life.



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Re: PM Questions Answers - Dianabol
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2008, 03:02:37 PM »
Insulting me does not make you look any more credible.  ::) BTW, as I stated above, BB at times eat very little and they also fast to some degree. Your cytochrome p450 reference is bullshit, but here's a little info for you concerning cytochrome p450 and tylenol anyway Dr.  ::)


Many commentators believe the frequent, regular use of alcohol (ethanol), when combined with APAP, "revs-up" the cytochrome P450 system producing higher quantities of the harmful metabolite/NAPQI. While this may be true, and warnings are now contained on the labels of APAP-containing products relative to dangers associated with liver damage from the use of alcohol and APAP, a growing body of evidence seems to indicate the more significant causal factor is nutrition, i.e., "fasting". Chronic alcoholics are notorious for poor nutrition and diet - often replacing food with liquid. However, retrospective studies going back over the last ten (10) years indicate a relationship between fasting, APAP, little to infrequent use of alcohol by patients, and liver damage. This includes patients who are most typically unable to eat due to nausea from the flu or flu-like symptoms, stomach virus, dental pain, and the like. Moreover, basic science studies performed and repeated over the last two plus decades add additional support to the fasting connection.

What appears to happen under these circumstances is that the "traffic" of APAP along the "expressways" of glucuronidation and sulfation slow down, and exit onto the "access road", the cytochrome P-450, CYP 2E1 pathway. Concurrent with this phenomenon is that levels of glutathione begin to become depleted, at least the glutathione available to conjugate, bind with and detoxify NAPQI. The net effect is that a patient winds up with more NAPQI, less glutathione for detoxification, and the liver's defenses are ultimately overrun and defeated. Liver death soon follows, as well as the patient's very life, unless a successful transplant is accomplished. Even if the fortuitous, successful transplant occurs, you may likely be left with a brain-damaged client who will need expensive anti-rejection drugs (that carry with them a host of potential complications, including subsequent kidney dysfunction), among other things, for the rest of their life.



First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this. You can site molecular pathways all you want, but you still have not answered my question. Are you familiar with the CLINICAL effects of taking ORAL anabolic steroids? LFTs are AST and ALT, at a very basic level, they indicate liver cell death. Albumin is a measure of liver function, are you keeping up, or do you want me to recite a basic molecular pathway to make my self look smarter?  ::) With oral anabolics, the first metabolic pass is always through the portal system, the portal system is your liver's blood circulation. LFTs will always increase and albumin decrease in MOST individuals who take oral anablics like D-bol. Anotherwords, you will experience liver cell death and your will liver function is not optimal. Like previous posters have confirmed, this is not the case with Tylenol, not that liver failure can not occur, it is just that it is statistically insignificant. Trying to imply that oral D-bol has less hepatic side effects than Tylenol, is just a MYTH, used by gurus to encourage and justify anabolic use. You last clinical statements are quite comical. Do you know why there is a decrease in mental status with a failed liver??? By the way if you say ammonia levels, you are only partly correct, a REAL doctor will tell you why, and i do not have the time for that. This thread and lack of knowledge and spewing of false science again confirms my belief that gurus like yourself Disgusted just exploit individuals for your own again. Is this how you justify oral anabolic use to your clients? I hope to God, some of them may read this post and educate themselves about what they are doing. The funny thing is that even though I disagree with what gh posts, at least he is very open about the side effects of these anabolics. Which makes me wonder, what is worse, a lying guru or a truthful dealer?

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Re: PM Questions Answers - Dianabol
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2008, 04:27:00 PM »
How much will I gain on 30MG of BD dbol per day for 30 days?  Discuss.
Why don't you tell us?

That pic in your avatar is after such a cycle, right?

Come on, answer me. You've avoided this for awhile.  :D ;D

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« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2008, 04:37:13 PM »
First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this. You can site molecular pathways all you want, but you still have not answered my question. Are you familiar with the CLINICAL effects of taking ORAL anabolic steroids? LFTs are AST and ALT, at a very basic level, they indicate liver cell death. Albumin is a measure of liver function, are you keeping up, or do you want me to recite a basic molecular pathway to make my self look smarter?  ::) With oral anabolics, the first metabolic pass is always through the portal system, the portal system is your liver's blood circulation. LFTs will always increase and albumin decrease in MOST individuals who take oral anablics like D-bol. Anotherwords, you will experience liver cell death and your will liver function is not optimal. Like previous posters have confirmed, this is not the case with Tylenol, not that liver failure can not occur, it is just that it is statistically insignificant. Trying to imply that oral D-bol has less hepatic side effects than Tylenol, is just a MYTH, used by gurus to encourage and justify anabolic use. You last clinical statements are quite comical. Do you know why there is a decrease in mental status with a failed liver??? By the way if you say ammonia levels, you are only partly correct, a REAL doctor will tell you why, and i do not have the time for that. This thread and lack of knowledge and spewing of false science again confirms my belief that gurus like yourself Disgusted just exploit individuals for your own again. Is this how you justify oral anabolic use to your clients? I hope to God, some of them may read this post and educate themselves about what they are doing. The funny thing is that even though I disagree with what gh posts, at least he is very open about the side effects of these anabolics. Which makes me wonder, what is worse, a lying guru or a truthful dealer?

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Are you pitorthodoc from Musclemayhem?

I'm not a doctor but isn't GGT a more important marker to look at in oral steroid using bodybuilders?

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Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity that were based on aminotransferase elevations may have overstated the role of anabolic steroids. Correspondingly, the medical community may have been led to emphasize anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity and disregard muscle damage when interpreting elevated aminotransferase levels. Therefore, when evaluating enzyme elevations in patients who use anabolic steroids, physicians should consider the CK and GGT levels as essential elements in distinguishing muscle damage from liver damage.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11476029?dopt=Abstract

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Re: PM Questions Answers - Dianabol
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2008, 04:41:28 PM »
no. Nps as in Naposim made by Terapia Cluj , is one of the best dianabol in the world if not THE best . thai pinks, Naposim , are all the same dianabol. Russians as gh 15 calls them , I believe he refers to a mix od dianabol and methyl testosterone very popular in eastern europe about until 10 years ago . they were the shit. No longer produces. Hopes this clarify your query.


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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2008, 05:11:09 PM »
First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this. You can site molecular pathways all you want, but you still have not answered my question. Are you familiar with the CLINICAL effects of taking ORAL anabolic steroids? LFTs are AST and ALT, at a very basic level, they indicate liver cell death. Albumin is a measure of liver function, are you keeping up, or do you want me to recite a basic molecular pathway to make my self look smarter?  ::) With oral anabolics, the first metabolic pass is always through the portal system, the portal system is your liver's blood circulation. LFTs will always increase and albumin decrease in MOST individuals who take oral anablics like D-bol. Anotherwords, you will experience liver cell death and your will liver function is not optimal. Like previous posters have confirmed, this is not the case with Tylenol, not that liver failure can not occur, it is just that it is statistically insignificant. Trying to imply that oral D-bol has less hepatic side effects than Tylenol, is just a MYTH, used by gurus to encourage and justify anabolic use. You last clinical statements are quite comical. Do you know why there is a decrease in mental status with a failed liver??? By the way if you say ammonia levels, you are only partly correct, a REAL doctor will tell you why, and i do not have the time for that. This thread and lack of knowledge and spewing of false science again confirms my belief that gurus like yourself Disgusted just exploit individuals for your own again. Is this how you justify oral anabolic use to your clients? I hope to God, some of them may read this post and educate themselves about what they are doing. The funny thing is that even though I disagree with what gh posts, at least he is very open about the side effects of these anabolics. Which makes me wonder, what is worse, a lying guru or a truthful dealer?

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That was a major owning.

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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2008, 05:17:00 PM »
First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this.

bodybuildermdpitt

I can't either.  ::)

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« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2008, 05:17:52 PM »
First of all I can not believe I am actually giving a response to this. You can site molecular pathways all you want, but you still have not answered my question. Are you familiar with the CLINICAL effects of taking ORAL anabolic steroids? LFTs are AST and ALT, at a very basic level, they indicate liver cell death. Albumin is a measure of liver function, are you keeping up, or do you want me to recite a basic molecular pathway to make my self look smarter?  ::) With oral anabolics, the first metabolic pass is always through the portal system, the portal system is your liver's blood circulation. LFTs will always increase and albumin decrease in MOST individuals who take oral anablics like D-bol. Anotherwords, you will experience liver cell death and your will liver function is not optimal. Like previous posters have confirmed, this is not the case with Tylenol, not that liver failure can not occur, it is just that it is statistically insignificant. Trying to imply that oral D-bol has less hepatic side effects than Tylenol, is just a MYTH, used by gurus to encourage and justify anabolic use. You last clinical statements are quite comical. Do you know why there is a decrease in mental status with a failed liver??? By the way if you say ammonia levels, you are only partly correct, a REAL doctor will tell you why, and i do not have the time for that. This thread and lack of knowledge and spewing of false science again confirms my belief that gurus like yourself Disgusted just exploit individuals for your own again. Is this how you justify oral anabolic use to your clients? I hope to God, some of them may read this post and educate themselves about what they are doing. The funny thing is that even though I disagree with what gh posts, at least he is very open about the side effects of these anabolics. Which makes me wonder, what is worse, a lying guru or a truthful dealer?

cheers,

bodybuildermdpitt


MD my ass. No dr woud not puch-u8  ;D

Joker clown.

Could be a Md though. They know least about AAS.

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Re: PM Questions Answers - Dianabol
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2008, 05:35:09 PM »
Jim...................umm can you translate that into English for me?


I can't since I'm just a drug advocating Guru dealer, what the Hell would I know.  ;D   It doesn't really matter Mike since I was responding to Mr smartypants. I stand by what I said earlier about Dbol being way safer and less harsh on the liver than Tylenol. That is all I meant, but there are people on here who love to take the opportunity and try to show off with all their supposed knowledge by talkng over most people's heads and using medical jargon to make themselves look smart. And supposedly I'm the one with an ego.  ::)  Actually all the bullshit that was posted was not even relavent to what I said.

I'll break it down. Back when Dbol was made by Ciba it was made in 5mg tabs. Now, Tylenol is I believe made in 500mg tabs. The recommened dose for Dbol was around 10mgs per day.(yes, some take way more and still never need a transplant) For Tylenol it's around 1000mgs. At the recommened dose for Tylenol people have had liver problems to the point of needing a transplant. Granted some were CASUAL drinkers and other were not eating much do to either being sick or for other reasons and like I said some bodybuilders in the precontest stage will eat very litte and sometimes fast. For these guys taking Tylenol for aches and pains may be deadly.

I do not advocate drug use of any kind and I am not a Guru, but I would certainly rather take 50mgs of Dbol daily for 6 weeks than 1000mgs of Tylenol for 6 weeks given the choice.

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« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2008, 05:42:02 PM »
Just FYI. About one month ago a friend of mine had some blood work done. He was on Dbol and a little test enan. His liver enzymes were slightly elevated and his CK was I believe around 1000. The Dr was concerned about his CK even though he told his Doc that he lifted the day before. So he was to go back in 2 weeks for more tests. He decided to NOT lift for those two weeks, BUT to stay on the Dbol and test. The second set of blood test showed his CK levels down to around 300 and his liver enzymes were NORMAL.

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« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2008, 05:49:43 PM »
Ive taken Drol and Dbol TOGETHER and tested liver. REAL HG.
Highrange normal on liver value. Dr said dont waste money on another test, its the juice, will go back to normal.

Fear is overblown. Get tests/

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« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2008, 07:09:20 PM »
How much will I gain on 30MG of BD dbol per day for 30 days?  Discuss.

bd? you wont get anything,,bunk,,youre canadian ,,you need to stop or reduce  working yoru arms and delts,,those are strong points with canadians ,,you need to work rest of your body and if you use dianabol use only human grade,,continure to work your arms and delts when yoru other body poarts catch up and when you look more symetrical and proportionate

human grade dianabol such as anabol = 10lb per first 2-3 days if eating right and from then on about 3-4 lb per week

underground dianabol = 5lb of water weight becuase your heart really want to believe its real so you work extra hard and eat extra hard and stiop at 5lb

legit dinabaol as in real pharmacutical dianabol made ,,can and will produce up to 40lb gains in a bodybuilder in matter of 8 weeks

also throw the super drol whatever the fuck that thing is to the toilet and flash

good luck
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« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2008, 07:11:25 PM »
bd? you wont get anything,,bunk,,youre canadian ,,you need to stop or reduce  working yoru arms and delts,,those are strong points with canadians ,,you need to work rest of your body and if you use dianabol use only human grade,,continure to work your arms and delts when yoru other body poarts catch up and when you look more symetrical and proportionate

human grade dianabol such as anabol = 10lb per first 2-3 days if eating right and from then on about 3-4 lb per week

underground dianabol = 5lb of water weight becuase your heart really want to believe its real so you work extra hard and eat extra hard and stiop at 5lb

legit dinabaol as in real pharmacutical dianabol made ,,can and will produce up to 40lb gains in a bodybuilder in matter of 8 weeks

also throw the super drol whatever the fuck that thing is to the toilet and flash flush
good luck

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« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2008, 07:11:58 PM »
Are any of the pro figure/fitness women taking it?

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« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2008, 07:16:43 PM »
bd? you wont get anything,,bunk,,youre canadian ,,you need to stop or reduce  working yoru arms and delts,,those are strong points with canadians ,,you need to work rest of your body and if you use dianabol use only human grade,,continure to work your arms and delts when yoru other body poarts catch up and when you look more symetrical and proportionate

human grade dianabol such as anabol = 10lb per first 2-3 days if eating right and from then on about 3-4 lb per week

underground dianabol = 5lb of water weight becuase your heart really want to believe its real so you work extra hard and eat extra hard and stiop at 5lb

legit dinabaol as in real pharmacutical dianabol made ,,can and will produce up to 40lb gains in a bodybuilder in matter of 8 weeks

also throw the super drol whatever the fuck that thing is to the toilet and flash

good luck
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« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2008, 07:18:32 PM »
also remember that any guy you see around that been jumping from 200lb to 260lb out of the blue...is using.....you got that right...dianabol ,,legit pharmacutical dianabol tablets either anabol naposim etc,,ofcourse when someone go up to 260 from 200lb he also used insulin but i can assure you 100% that from 200lb to climb up to 230lb in a super fast time you only need the following

6 tablets a day of 5 mg legit dianabol (no ug garbage)
little arimidex for bloat purposes

200lb to 230 lb in 28 days,,A PROMISE

*got to eat right but dont worry when on real dianabol you wont be able to close your mouth it is food all day long bordering 5000calories a day ,,and good calories
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« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2008, 07:28:34 PM »
also remember that any guy you see around that been jumping from 200lb to 260lb out of the blue...is using.....you got that right...dianabol ,,legit pharmacutical dianabol tablets either anabol naposim etc,,ofcourse when someone go up to 260 from 200lb he also used insulin but i can assure you 100% that from 200lb to climb up to 230lb in a super fast time you only need the following

6 tablets a day of 5 mg legit dianabol (no ug garbage)
little arimidex for bloat purposes

200lb to 230 lb in 28 days,,A PROMISE

*got to eat right but dont worry when on real dianabol you wont be able to close your mouth it is food all day long bordering 5000calories a day ,,and good calories

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« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2008, 07:30:34 PM »
Did you ever fuck some fitness girls?
His pee-pee doesn't work from all the drugs.
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« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2008, 07:31:40 PM »
His pee-pee doesn't work from all the drugs.

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« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2008, 07:37:07 PM »
His pee-pee doesn't work from all the drugs.

What's to say he doesn't use viagra for that?

Next he'll give advice on viagra and cialas.

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« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2008, 07:39:24 PM »
What's to say he doesn't use viagra for that?

Next he'll give advice on viagra and cialas.

"3 TABS LEGIT PHARA HUMON GRAD VIAGRE WILL MAKE U FUCK YOU GF HARD MORNING TILL NIGHT"

looooooooooool

seriously are you GH15? thats like gh15 himself lol
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« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2008, 07:40:01 PM »
What's to say he doesn't use viagra for that?

Next he'll give advice on viagra and cialas.

"3 TABS LEGIT PHARA HUMON GRAD VIAGRE WILL MAKE U FUCK YOU GF HARD MORNING TILL NIGHT"
hahaha ;D
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« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2008, 07:45:39 PM »
looooooooooool

seriously are you GH15? thats like gh15 himself lol

Maek sur to cycle cialas in if you fuck trannies at expos..  Also keep nolvadex and hcg on hand to keep testicoles bouncy.

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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2008, 12:42:09 AM »
Maek sur to cycle cialas in if you fuck trannies at expos..  Also keep nolvadex and hcg on hand to keep testicoles bouncy.

SILLIE AMRIEKAN VOTE MCCAIN IF YU WANT LEGIT PHARMA GRAD HORMONE!

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