Do you look forward to your death with peace and optimism?

[Mad Nickels]

Humans = genetically programmed to fear it, but it is possible to override this fear of death by rational thinking and by reprogramming ones identity through various means.

like what?

[The Master]

I truely believe that there is nothing after you die.  That in itself is logical, although no one actually knows and that is what religion is founded upon.  I think that the reason that people fear death is a rational one that is purely instinctive.....

Its not logical to truly believe that there is nothing after you die, because you have no way of confirming it either way. Believing nothing happens after death is the same as believing in life after death, assuming something without a solid reason for doing so. That does not harmonize with logic.

[The Master]

like what?

Go read up on psychology. Tons of things that can be done to rewire your personality into something you desire with enough effort.

[wylllis100]

It is logical to believe that there is nothing after death because it is scientific fact that when you die your are dead and thats the end of that, we are nothing more than biological machines.  IMO it is illogical to believe that there maybe something after death and thats where a belief system will come in.  The very reason that people say that no one knows if there is life after death is because no one has come back and said that there isn't!!!!???  To me that is illogical.

[bigdumbbell]

is there any other way?

[freespirit]

Man dies

Spirit lives

[nycbull]

Plato's "Allegory of the Cave", is not a proof of an afterlife, but it may convince you that there is more to life than what we see. Remember this was written around 330 bc.

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/platoscave.html

[Monster_Everything]

Everytime bells ring an Angel gets its wings.

[The Master]

It is logical to believe that there is nothing after death because it is scientific fact that when you die your are dead and thats the end of that, we are nothing more than biological machines.  IMO it is illogical to believe that there maybe something after death and thats where a belief system will come in.  The very reason that people say that no one knows if there is life after death is because no one has come back and said that there isn't!!!!???  To me that is illogical.

Bullshit, because your arguments implies that we know all there is to know about reality, and we dont. Science can not by any stretch of imagination conclude that we are just biological machines, and that consciousness = simply existing as a function of the biological complexity of the brain. Your "logical" conclusion ain't logical.

It is illogical to BELIEVE something happens after death, but it is logical to not rule out that SOMETHING happens after death, and its illogical to believe nothing happens after death.

[nycbull]

who is your favorite philosopher Debussey?

[DK II]

Had i not known

that i was dead

already

i would have mourned

my loss of life


-- Death poem of Ota Dokan, 1486

[The Master]

who is your favorite philosopher Debussey?

Gary Busey.

[wylllis100]

Whats BULLSHIT about it?? With things like this logic is a farce, but Im not even sure you know that you are playing on it. Tell me why is your logic correct and not mine?  Fuckin hell, how arrogant are you?  I would go as far as saying that my logic is more correct than yours because mine is based on fact and yours is based on assumption, but thats not what this is about.  Ok your saying that you believe that is logical to think that there is something after death because we do not know everything about our own reality. This in essence is a logical reasoning and it would mean that we are both correct i.e. we both came to a logical conclusion from our own perspective of things, although we can both say that the others logic is illogical for the same reason. The problem with what your saying though lies with the fact that we do not know for certain, that we do not know everything about our reality.  Also even if you say that we dont know for certain that we do know if there is anything else to be discovered about our reality, who is to say that means that there is something after we die.  Those discoveries could manifest themselves in a millions different things and not an after life "something" for us.  I think that your theory is basically flawed athough "logical" in your eyes because it is too general, not specific enough and you are assuming to many things that we have no conscious concept or knowledge of. You are basically clutching at straws with this arguement. Christians have come up with "logical" explanations for God for over 2000 yrs does that mean that they are right??? 

With regards to this I would rather choose to see and live by what we know now, although at the same time I am all for forward, free thinking.  You cant say that my way of thinking is full of crap because you have a bullshit, guestimating, assuming logical reasoning you fool.

Oh and of course us simply existing as a function of the biological complexity of the brain is logical to believe.............ha ha ha ha..........Note to Debussy, look up meaning of logic......

[m8]

Being dead is the same as being unborn, you're just a dead piece of meat.

[webcake]

Gary Busey.

R.I.P Gary.

He will never be forgotten 

[bigdumbbell]

Being dead is the same as being unborn, you're just a dead piece of meat.

i'm not so sure they are the same

[m8]

i'm not so sure they are the same

I don't see how they could be different.
Can't wait to see 

[Stark]

I don't see how they could be different.
Can't wait to see 

That was pretty stupid to say that a dead body is pretty much the same as an unborn.

Well for a starter, when you are dead you are decaying, your body has in fact stop lfuntioning.
When you are unborn (and we need to specify here what status of the unborn we are talking about) your body is growing, moving, cells are multiplying and that includes the very first moment a sperm fertilizes the egg.

[m8]

That was pretty stupid to say that a dead body is pretty much the same as an unborn.

Well for a starter, when you are dead you are decaying, your body has in fact stop lfuntioning.
When you are unborn (and we need to specify here what status of the unborn we are talking about) your body is growing, moving, cells are multiplying and that includes the very first moment a sperm fertilizes the egg.

In both states you're unconscious, that's what I mean. It's stupid to think that there's "something" after death.
Maybe I should have said "not conceived/alive yet" instead of "unborn".

[io857]

Gary Busey lifts weights not for performance therefore must derive internal satisfaction from the action.

The main internal satisfaction for lifting weights is increased muscle mass(or perception/possibility thereof).

A bodybuilder lifts weights for image enhancement.

Gary Busey is most likely a bodybuilder.

[Stark]

In both states you're unconscious, that's what I mean. It's stupid to think that there's "something" after death.
Maybe I should have said "not conceived/alive yet" instead of "unborn".

First of you are not uncontious when you are unborn, just because you cannot remember the fact what it is like lying in your mothers womb doesn't mean you are unconcious.
We can discuss this until we are blue because it is the age old question WHEN are we alife? Or better WHEN does life start? Moral Christian Crusadors believe life starts with fertilisation, People who believe more in sience and less in Religion tend to lean over to the site that Live begins when giving birth or when the Baby is a couple of Month old.
But it is absolutly stupid to say that an unborn baby what ever stage it is currently in is equal to a dead person.
Just because something doesn't have a concience doesn't mean its dead.

[DK II]

First of you are not uncontious when you are unborn, just because you cannot remember the fact what it is like lying in your mothers womb doesn't mean you are unconcious.
We can discuss this until we are blue because it is the age old question WHEN are we alife? Or better WHEN does life start? Moral Christian Crusadors believe life starts with fertilisation, People who believe more in sience and less in Religion tend to lean over to the site that Live begins when giving birth or when the Baby is a couple of Month old.
But it is absolutly stupid to say that an unborn baby what ever stage it is currently in is equal to a dead person.
Just because something doesn't have a concience doesn't mean its dead.

The chinese believe that animals without a voice don't have a soul, like fish, turtles and so on. 

[bigdumbbell]

First of you are not uncontious when you are unborn, just because you cannot remember the fact what it is like lying in your mothers womb doesn't mean you are unconcious.
We can discuss this until we are blue because it is the age old question WHEN are we alife? Or better WHEN does life start? Moral Christian Crusadors believe life starts with fertilisation, People who believe more in sience and less in Religion tend to lean over to the site that Live begins when giving birth or when the Baby is a couple of Month old.
But it is absolutly stupid to say that an unborn baby what ever stage it is currently in is equal to a dead person.
Just because something doesn't have a concience doesn't mean its dead.

my mammy told me long time ago that a stiff black dick dont have no conscious

[Stark]

The chinese believe that animals without a voice don't have a soul, like fish, turtles and so on. 

thats rubbish I bet you that you find no prove the chinese believe that

[webcake]

Gary Busey lifts weights not for performance therefore must derive internal satisfaction from the action.

The main internal satisfaction for lifting weights is increased muscle mass(or perception/possibility thereof).

A bodybuilder lifts weights for image enhancement.

Gary Busey is most likely a bodybuilder.

Far out, just let the man rest in peace. It was tragic, but its time to accept fate.