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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #175 on: February 04, 2008, 01:54:59 PM »
no, it shows how dumb you are, that you think that THIS is better than a peak Ronnie..

its a sign of Happy Meal Intelligence LOL



No it shows how desperate you are  ;) Ronnie already conceded defeat to a less than perfect Yates never mind a prime operating one and you think posting one pic means anything? I could collect empty cans for a living I've proven time and time again I know more about competitive bodybuilding than you  ;)


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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #176 on: February 04, 2008, 01:56:52 PM »
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I could collect empty cans for a living

only if McDonald's will give you a good reference...


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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #177 on: February 04, 2008, 02:00:58 PM »
only if McDonald's will give you a good reference...


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Again deflection is your new M.O. personal attacks and deflection . hey what else do you have in the face of this?

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.


Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.


the second quote is literally right before the 1999 Mr Olympia a contest in which you said Ronnie would beat Yates , these quotes stop your bullshit dead in it's tracks all you have left is hate for the messenger when its the message you can't stand.


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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #178 on: February 04, 2008, 02:04:59 PM »
Lol..why do these kind of threads always degenerate into insults? These are opinions, not facts. It's like two guys arguing because one of them prefers spinach over broccoli.
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #179 on: February 04, 2008, 02:06:03 PM »
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hey what else do you have in the face of this?

tell us what YOU have:

an opinion made out of respect and a commentary on the politics of the day (the Mr. O's never lost)

and one that is NOT VALIDATED by ANYTHING IN REAL LIFE.

If Ronnie had said UFO's came and swept him up last night, there is just as much evidence for the truth of that statement as there is for Ronnie 98 losing to a late career dorian

sorry.
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #180 on: February 04, 2008, 02:07:50 PM »
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These are opinions, not facts

wrong.

because if you know how to evaluate physiques in bodybuilding and do it properly, nothing dorian ever presented was better than this:

http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport

its only one or two nuthuggers on this thread that think so...
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #181 on: February 04, 2008, 02:08:22 PM »
tell us what YOU have:

an opinion made out of respect and a commentary on the politics of the day (the Mr. O's never lost)

and one that is NOT VALIDATED by ANYTHING IN REAL LIFE.

If Ronnie had said UFO's came and swept him up last night, there is just as much evidence for the truth of that statement as there is for Ronnie 98 losing to a late career dorian

sorry.


isn't one 1600+ page thread enough...get the fuck out of this thread already.  It's so fucking old at this point...do either of you really CARE that much?
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #182 on: February 04, 2008, 02:12:33 PM »
tell us what YOU have:

an opinion made out of respect and a commentary on the politics of the day (the Mr. O's never lost)

and one that is NOT VALIDATED by ANYTHING IN REAL LIFE.

If Ronnie had said UFO's came and swept him up last night, there is just as much evidence for the truth of that statement as there is for Ronnie 98 losing to a late career dorian

sorry.


LMFAO no you have an opinion of of respect & FEAR for a reason , spare me the politic pumpster again these quotes killed the truce tread and everything you ever typed.  ;)

and Ronnie's isn't talking about UFO's he's talking about a man he faced 8 times and lost to for a reason , Yates dominated even at his worse thats a fact

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #183 on: February 04, 2008, 02:15:58 PM »
wrong.

because if you know how to evaluate physiques in bodybuilding and do it properly, nothing dorian ever presented was better than this:

http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport

its only one or two nuthuggers on this thread that think so...

No Ronnie thinks so , Peter McGough thinks so , what else are you left with? and properly evaluate physiques lmfao you're the same guy who claimed Ronnie 1999 has more detailed calves than Dorian Yates , and he's more grainy , oh and how about how Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler ,. how Matt Mendenhall was blocky and Lee Labrada had crappy abs & calves , and your most recent ignorant claim Gary Strydom improved his back by the WBF lol soley based on these statements its clear you don't know the first thing about competitive bodybuilding .

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #184 on: February 04, 2008, 02:38:24 PM »
Man, if you two guys spent your time actually working out in the gym rather than bantering back and forth for eternity, you might actually weigh more than 165lbs soaking wet.  I guess I admire your passion for arguing your point of view, but you guys gotta direct it and focus it on something more productive....like actually working out.  When do you guys have the time to actually step foot in a gym?

Simply put:
Dorian = best during his time period.
Ronnie = best during his time period.
Haney = best during his time period.

Difference between the three:
Haney = injury-free, no torn muscles, great wife and kids, left the sport on his own terms rather than forced out due to injury, living a great, fulfilling life outside of competitive BB, nothing left to prove.

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #185 on: February 04, 2008, 04:43:28 PM »
Anyone have the side chest pics of dorian and Haney?  They show just how massive and thick haneys chest is.  Totally trumps yates
Wait for it....

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #186 on: February 04, 2008, 05:37:01 PM »
Anyone have the side chest pics of dorian and Haney?  They show just how massive and thick haneys chest is.  Totally trumps yates

totally trumping dorian is very common:

but try telling that to the nuthuggers.. ::)
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #187 on: February 04, 2008, 05:39:55 PM »
both Ronnie and Haney have far more massive chests than dorian ever did..
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #188 on: February 04, 2008, 08:58:55 PM »
PUMPSTER you are a retard.  This thread has nothing to do with Yates or Ronnie, yet look what u made it morph into!

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #189 on: February 04, 2008, 09:47:15 PM »
PUMPSTER you are a retard.  This thread has nothing to do with Yates or Ronnie, yet look what u made it morph into!

Of course.

The silence you hear comes as the remaining members of "team Yates" jump ship..

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2008, 09:51:20 PM »
No Ronnie thinks so , Peter McGough thinks so , what else are you left with? and properly evaluate physiques lmfao you're the same guy who claimed Ronnie 1999 has more detailed calves than Dorian Yates , and he's more grainy , oh and how about how Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler ,. how Matt Mendenhall was blocky and Lee Labrada had crappy abs & calves , and your most recent ignorant claim Gary Strydom improved his back by the WBF lol soley based on these statements its clear you don't know the first thing about competitive bodybuilding .

Ronnie is better than Dorian, now please STFU about it!  Discuss.
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #191 on: February 04, 2008, 09:56:26 PM »
Of course.

The silence you hear comes as the remaining members of "team Yates" jump ship..

Team Yates is alive and well! 3 deep!
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #192 on: February 04, 2008, 10:27:28 PM »
           Haney is one of my top 3 favorite bb's, and I will say that Haney's peak condition will not compare to Coleman at his best. And even if Haney would have taken the same drugs and amounts that Coleman did, he still probably would not match Coleman's totall package around 1998.

           But we don't really know. Haney had maybe a better chest anyway. His torso had potential to be as big as Coleman's, and maybe with a slightly slimmer waist. And his calves were better, but Haney's arm would have never matched Coleman's, no matter what drugs he was on.

           During Haney's era, bb's still mostly trained on 3 day splits, 6 days a week, hitting every body part twice a week. and they were on far less drugs than today, where most current bodybuilders train each bodypart once a week. As far as his torso was concerned, this training didn't hinder Haney. But maybe for smaller muscle groups like bi's and tri's, this workload was too much. Not only were arms hit directly twice a week, but also getting worked when he did chest, back and shoulders. Now, like I already stated, Haney didn't have the genetics for arms like Coleman, but maybe if he had trained in a more modern manner, with a more modern drug regimen, than they might have been much better. when he was younger, Haney said he built most of his mass training only 4 day a week, but he still hit everything twice a week.

           Now one could say this theory is way off, since Haney's legs were small, and legs are a big muscle group like chest, back and shoulders. But like already stated in this thread, almost no one had huge legs back then. Haney's were good enough to win, so why bust his ass to get bigger. I think on a whole, bodybuilders didn't squat anywhere near as much weight as they do now. I am sure on average, today's bb's are stronger all around, but especially so in the legs.

          I think when you compare bodybuilders or athletes from different era's, it is more fair to compare how they did against everyone else of their time period. Both Haney and Coleman were able to beat everyone else using comparable drug and training programs, so both are great.

          If Haney would have been born later, and turned pro in the mid to late 90's, instead of 1983, his physique would have blown away the real Haney package that we are discussing in this thread. Would he have been as good as Coleman?
Probably not. But we don't know for sure. Just like we don't know how Coleman would have looked, if his prime years were during the 1980's.
          But I will say that I do know both of them would have been great. If you can dominate an era, you would have been near the top at least, no matter when you competed. Especially from the 80's on. After the popularity of Pumping Iron, and then his turning that into a lucrative movie career, everyone and his brother wanted to be the next Arnold. Working out and bodybuilding in general hit it's peak as far as mainstream popularity around Haney's era of dominance.
So if there are a lot of people trying to be the best, and you are the best for a long time, you're damn good. And that same person would be good at any time period given a level playing field. Maybe that same person wouldn't be the best, or as dominant as he was, but he would still be great.

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #193 on: February 05, 2008, 01:32:15 AM »
totally trumping dorian is very common:

but try telling that to the nuthuggers.. ::)

Again using a pic of Yates not at his best you've only proven your bias , it doesn't matter if Ronnie had bigger pecs what matters is did he have a better side chest , if you knew anything about competitive bodybuilding you know how the game is played

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #194 on: February 05, 2008, 01:33:54 AM »
PUMPSTER you are a retard.  This thread has nothing to do with Yates or Ronnie, yet look what u made it morph into!

Thats because he's a troll

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #195 on: February 05, 2008, 01:45:50 AM »
haney was awesome

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #196 on: February 05, 2008, 03:45:50 AM »
Again using a pic of Yates not at his best you've only proven your bias , it doesn't matter if Ronnie had bigger pecs what matters is did he have a better side chest , if you knew anything about competitive bodybuilding you know how the game is played

but Yates DIDN'T have a better side chest than this:
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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #197 on: February 05, 2008, 06:34:19 AM »
 But I will say that I do know both of them would have been great. If you can dominate an era, you would have been near the top at least, no matter when you competed. Especially from the 80's on. After the popularity of Pumping Iron, and then his turning that into a lucrative movie career, everyone and his brother wanted to be the next Arnold. Working out and bodybuilding in general hit it's peak as far as mainstream popularity around Haney's era of dominance.
So if there are a lot of people trying to be the best, and you are the best for a long time, you're damn good. And that same person would be good at any time period given a level playing field. Maybe that same person wouldn't be the best, or as dominant as he was, but he would still be great.

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #198 on: February 05, 2008, 08:12:39 AM »
all 3 were great,but haney and coleman held there peak physiques longer than yates ,yates competed busted up in a few of his olympias.

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Re: How did Lee Haney won 8 Olympia titles ?!
« Reply #199 on: February 05, 2008, 09:45:52 AM »
I'm not sure that his arms are quite as bad as people claim.

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