Flex Ranks the BEST Arnold Classic showings of all time ...

[NeoSeminole]

this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote

I'm not in disagreement with eyewitnesses, you f*cking idiot. Show me where I said bodybuilders look the same in person as they do in pics. I'll wait.

now from a size prospective it would apply to all bodybuilders but from the aspect of details and conditioning it wouldn't and why? many factors but again I've posted countless quotes from writers , competitors and judges going out of their way to explain this , yet I don't see any quotes stating the same for Ronnie ever wonder why? I'll elaborate on why I think its this way ......skin tone Black bodybuiders don't have the same problem as white bodybuilders especially ones like Dorian with fair skin the contest lighting contrasts better off of dark skin especially better in pictures & video , while the same lighting can wash out the details on a fairer skin person , again to claim this applies to everyone is not accurate

you either have separations and striations, or you don't. Pics and video may blur some details, but they don't hide or add something that is or isn't there.

The question was posed Ronnie at his best vs Dorian at his , so it doesn't matter and converge that with the McGough statement that Ronnie was NEVER as hard or dry as Yates it doesn't matter which year , lets say Ronnie did match Yates at the least for conditioning he would only do so at his absolute lightest he'd still be down thickness , bulk and proportion , and posing etc , etc so its moot

I've posted quotes saying 01 ASC Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian's conditioning. So what's your point?

No i read it and again the medical reason is genetic predisposition thats why you just don't believe

bullshit, that's like me saying "Dorian was genetically predisposed to have striated traps, lats, and erector spinae."

the sub-q fat & water is lost during the process of become dense and dry lmfao so Dorian's biceps could be just as split & defined as Ronnie's if he just dried out a little more? LMFAO

not quite. Theorectically, Dorian would have to also lose fat and water from his delts, pecs, and quads before his arms could become as defined as Ronnie's (i.e. no such thing as 'spot reduction'). However, the human body cannot drop below a certain amount without risking death. So he would ultimately still carry some fat and water somewhere. The same applies to Ronnie. His midsection and back never achieved the same definition as Dorian's b/c he genetically stored more fat and water there.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not in disagreement with eyewitnesses, you f*cking idiot. Show me where I said bodybuilders look the same in person as they do in pics. I'll wait.

you either have separations and striations, or you don't. Pics and video may blur some details, but they don't hide or add something that is or isn't there.

I've posted quotes saying 01 ASC Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian's conditioning. So what's your point?

bullshit, that's like me saying "Dorian was genetically predisposed to have striated traps, lats, and erector spinae."

not quite. Theorectically, Dorian would have to also lose fat and water from his delts, pecs, and quads before his arms could become as defined as Ronnie's (i.e. no such thing as 'spot reduction'). However, the human body cannot drop below a certain amount without risking death. So he would ultimately still carry some fat and water somewhere. The same applies to Ronnie. His midsection and back never achieved the same definition as Dorian's b/c he genetically stored more fat and water there.

I'm not in disagreement with eyewitnesses, you f*cking idiot. Show me where I said bodybuilders look the same in person as they do in pics. I'll wait.

You are in disagreement with eyewitnesses that Dorian was better conditioned than Ronnie , learn to read jackass

you either have separations and striations, or you don't. Pics and video may blur some details, but they don't hide or add something that is or isn't there.

again see the McGough ( among many others )

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

again you're wrong and watching the Arnold Classic Larry Pepe just happened to mention that pictures & video don't do justice all the ' fine details ' are lost

I've posted quotes saying 01 ASC Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian's conditioning. So what's your point?

another Neo outright LIE you most certainly did NOT post quotes saying Ronnie specifically matched DORIAN YATES nevermind exceeded it , you posted a quote commenting on Ronnie's conditioning NOT Ronnie's conditioned compared to Dorian , stop making shit up your frustration level is showing

bullshit, that's like me saying "Dorian was genetically predisposed to have striated traps, lats, and erector spinae."

he is and hence why he has them ( traps ) and NO ONE else does you can cry foul all you want it doesn't change the fact , you're claiming Ronnie exceeded Yates' conditioning yet his traps were never striated , his spinal erectors and lower lats never looked like Dorians , I wonder why 

not quite. Theorectically, Dorian would have to also lose fat and water from his delts, pecs, and quads before his arms could become as defined as Ronnie's (i.e. no such thing as 'spot reduction'). However, the human body cannot drop below a certain amount without risking death. So he would ultimately still carry some fat and water somewhere. The same applies to Ronnie. His midsection and back never achieved the same definition as Dorian's b/c he genetically stored more fat and water there.

again I disagree he never achived Yates' like striations because he's not genetically predisposed for them , muscle shape , length , and separation along with striations are all genetically limited . sure you have to be well conditioned to see the the details but in the end no amount of dieting is going to get striations to appear , again Dorian's conditioning was hailed as the gold standard for the 1990s and even to this day guys are not getting harder and drier

[CigaretteMan]

  I find the posts of this NeoSeminole character hilarious. He lies ad nauseum. Lies after lies after lies after lies. The best that he can do is manipulate semantics to try to prove his retarded arguments, and he's not even good at it - he wouldn't last a single day as a lawyer -, trying to unsuccessfully prove that words that are analogous to each other etiologically and conotatively have different meanings - like when he claimed that McGough's statement that Yates' hardness and dryness is the best ever doesen't mean his conditioning was the best ever. His posts reek of fanboyism so bad that it seems like he worships Ronnie as a god. It is quite sad, actually. I salute the posters, Suckmymuscle and NarcissisticDeity, for having put up with this for so long on that other giant thread. I don't have the patience for it, frankly.

[NarcissisticDeity]

  I find the posts of this NeoSeminole character hilarious. He lies ad nauseum. Lies after lies after lies after lies. The best that he can do is manipulate semantics to try to prove his retarded arguments, and he's not even good at it - he wouldn't last a single day as a lawyer -, trying to unsuccessfully prove that words that are analogous to each other etiologically and conotatively have different meanings - like when he claimed that McGough's statement that Yates' hardness and dryness is the best ever doesen't mean his conditioning was the best ever. His posts reek of fanboyism so bad that it seems like he worships Ronnie as a god. It is quite sad, actually.

Fantastic post and right on the money ! he loves to play with words. the funny part is solely based on pictures & video , despite never once seeing ANY professionals live & in person  he's going to tell the people who were actually there they're wrong , you can't argue with a guy like this he's beyond the point of being taken seriously.

[Hulkster]

the funny part is solely based on pictures & video

the irony of your statement is amazing, considering YOUR argument is solely based on quotes and opinions that are CONTRADICTED by people who have seen all these guys (eg. this list putting ronnie first, the best back list doing the same, McGough not only stating that 2001 AC ronnie is the best he has ever seen - which includes DORIAN , but also that 99 ronnie 'advanced the sport' the night he won the olympia)  and CONTRADICTED by VIRTUALLY ALL AVAILABLE VISUAL EVIDENCE..

 

you pick and chose which quotes to believe, ignoring the fact that there are quotes on both sides of the argument.

and then, you criticize someone for looking to REAL VISUAL EVIDENCE for support - since the quotes don't do anything because there are contradictory ones all over the place.

if you had a brain, you would realize that looking to visuals when the opinions are everywhere is the right thing to do - because visuals are much more reliable than opinions that have contradictory assertions from others who were also 'there'..

and you don't seem to see a problem with this..

you aren't smart enough to see it..

[NeoSeminole]

You are in disagreement with eyewitnesses that Dorian was better conditioned than Ronnie , learn to read jackass

I can read, you dipshit. Here's the comment I responded to.

"pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote."

NOWHERE did you say anything about Dorian having better conditioning than Ronnie.

another Neo outright LIE you most certainly did NOT post quotes saying Ronnie specifically matched DORIAN YATES nevermind exceeded it , you posted a quote commenting on Ronnie's conditioning NOT Ronnie's conditioned compared to Dorian , stop making shit up your frustration level is showing

I've posted several quotes from people who said Ronnie was hard as granite. I haven't heard any quotes saying Dorian was hard as diamond. So it follows that both were equally conditioned unless you're telling me they were referring to different types of granite, which I highly doubt. I posted another quote praising Ronnie's conditioning from the 01 ASC as the best ever. It's not my fault you can't read.

he is and hence why he has them ( traps ) and NO ONE else does you can cry foul all you want it doesn't change the fact , you're claiming Ronnie exceeded Yates' conditioning yet his traps were never striated , his spinal erectors and lower lats never looked like Dorians , I wonder why

Ronnie had more overall separations and striations from head to toe. Regarding his back definition, I already told you that's where he stored his remaining body fat and water. If he lost what little he had left, then he would have dangerously low levels and risk death since our bodies need some fat and water to carry out natural processes.

again I disagree he never achived Yates' like striations because he's not genetically predisposed for them , muscle shape , length , and separation along with striations are all genetically limited . sure you have to be well conditioned to see the the details but in the end no amount of dieting is going to get striations to appear , again Dorian's conditioning was hailed as the gold standard for the 1990s and even to this day guys are not getting harder and drier

answer this simple question: what conditions are necessary for striations to appear? How come you can see them at, say, 6% body fat but not 20% body fat?

[England_1]

Semen,

Your comment about what bodyfat striations appear at is irrelevant. What is relevant is that striations appear on different bodybuilders at different bodyfat levels 

[NeoSeminole]

I find the posts of this NeoSeminole character hilarious. He lies ad nauseum. Lies after lies after lies after lies. The best that he can do is manipulate semantics to try to prove his retarded arguments, and he's not even good at it - he wouldn't last a single day as a lawyer -, trying to unsuccessfully prove that words that are analogous to each other etiologically and conotatively have different meanings - like when he claimed that McGough's statement that Yates' hardness and dryness is the best ever doesen't mean his conditioning was the best ever. His posts reek of fanboyism so bad that it seems like he worships Ronnie as a god. It is quite sad, actually. I salute the posters, Suckmymuscle and NarcissisticDeity, for having put up with this for so long on that other giant thread. I don't have the patience for it, frankly.

ha ha ha, whatever dude. Unlike your heroes, ND and Suckmyasshole, I support my arguments with pics. If you claimed that Object A was blue and I posted a pic showing it's red, guess who's wrong? Regarding semantics, I was parodying ND's tactic of dismissing quotes that don't explicitly say what they convey. For example, I posted a quote from Ronnie saying "this is the age of Ronnie Coleman. Who else would win?" ND claims that Ronnie never gave a definite answer and his comment could be interpreted to mean he would lose to Dorian.

[NeoSeminole]

Sir NeoSeminole

Your comment about what bodyfat striations appear at is irrelevant. What is relevant is that striations appear on different bodybuilders at different bodyfat levels

no kidding. Show me where I was ever in disagreement with your comment.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I can read, you dipshit. Here's the comment I responded to.

"pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote."

NOWHERE did you say anything about Dorian having better conditioning than Ronnie.

I've posted several quotes from people who said Ronnie was hard as granite. I haven't heard any quotes saying Dorian was hard as diamond. So it follows that both were equally conditioned unless you're telling me they were referring to different types of granite, which I highly doubt. I posted another quote praising Ronnie's conditioning from the 01 ASC as the best ever. It's not my fault you can't read.

Ronnie had more overall separations and striations from head to toe. Regarding his back definition, I already told you that's where he stored his remaining body fat and water. If he lost what little he had left, then he would have dangerously low levels and risk death since our bodies need some fat and water to carry out natural processes.

answer this simple question: what conditions are necessary for striations to appear? How come you can see them at, say, 6% body fat but not 20% body fat?

I can read, you dipshit. Here's the comment I responded to.

"pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote."

NOWHERE did you say anything about Dorian having better conditioning than Ronnie.

Again the point still stands you are in disagreement with the eyewitnesses , like Dorian & McGough who both claims he is the better conditioned of the two

I've posted several quotes from people who said Ronnie was hard as granite. I haven't heard any quotes saying Dorian was hard as diamond. So it follows that both were equally conditioned unless you're telling me they were referring to different types of granite, which I highly doubt. I posted another quote praising Ronnie's conditioning from the 01 ASC as the best ever. It's not my fault you can't read.

Again stop trying to connect the dots , Ronnie was hard so therfore his conditioning was as good or exceeded Yates you're an out and out liar NO WHERE did you ever post a quote saying Ronnie Coleman matched or surpassed Dorian Yates in the conditioning department

I posted two quotes SPECIFIC to the debate you never once did that and are reduced to lying , another out right lie by you is claiming you posted a quote praising Ronnie's 01 ASC as the best ever you posted a question and no where ever did that question say it was Ronnie was the greatest ever , and stop projecting your inability to read on me you're the moron who who posts questions are tries to pass them off as declarations

Ronnie had more overall separations and striations from head to toe. Regarding his back definition, I already told you that's where he stored his remaining body fat and water. If he lost what little he had left, then he would have dangerously low levels and risk death since our bodies need some fat and water to carry out natural processes.

Again you're stuck thinking striations & separations means a person is the best conditioned NOT true because one can be striated & separated and still be holding water , the best conditioned gut has thin skin * being totally dried out * and is the hardest * lack of intramuscular fat * thats the best conditioned guy thats Dorian Yates

answer this simple question: what conditions are necessary for striations to appear? How come you can see them at, say, 6% body fat but not 20% body fat?

duh because your muscles are covered in fat & water the lower these two become the striations ( and separations ) will appear the bottom line is no matter how dry & hard one becomes he's not going to get striations in the muscle if he's not genetically predisposed for them , again Ronnie's rectus femoris never showed cross-striations like Andreas Munzer despite the muscle being stripped of fat & water clearly showing great separation and development , its not because he still has some more fat & water to lose its because of genetics , hence why Munzer had more than anyone in this history of bodybuilding

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, whatever dude. Unlike your heroes, ND and Suckmyasshole, I support my arguments with pics. If you claimed that Object A was blue and I posted a pic showing it's red, guess who's wrong? Regarding semantics, I was parodying ND's tactic of dismissing quotes that don't explicitly say what they convey. For example, I posted a quote from Ronnie saying "this is the age of Ronnie Coleman. Who else would win?" ND claims that Ronnie never gave a definite answer and his comment could be interpreted to mean he would lose to Dorian.

lmfao I support my argument with pics that contradict firsthand eyewitness accounts  pics which pros , writers and judges all say are not accurate and that wouldn't ever replace actually being there you've done zero as usual

and you weren't ' parodying ' me with semantics its your M.O. you love to TRY and play with words to attempt to fit them to your argument classic example "
I've posted several quotes from people who said Ronnie was hard as granite " so therefore he's just as conditioned than Dorian  you have no argument the moment you claimed you were right and McGough & Yates were wrong , again you can't be taken seriously and I'm glad someone who doesn't have an vested intrest in these debates can see right through your bull shit and laughable tactics .

run along and play now little boy you are your bullshit bore me. 

[Hulkster]

NO WHERE did you ever post a quote saying Ronnie Coleman matched or surpassed Dorian Yates in the conditioning department

why do you need a "quote" to show this when there is mountains of visual evidence confirming this already?

do you need a "quote" to believe that Ronnie Coleman was a black man too?

 

jesus you are an idiot.

[NarcissisticDeity]

why do you need a "quote" to show this when there is mountains of visual evidence confirming this already?

do you need a "quote" to believe that Ronnie Coleman was a black man too?

 

jesus you are an idiot.

You're the fucking idiot who posted Ronnie is grainer than Dorian because he's more vascular LMFAO I'm still laughing at that one you dolt ! what the hell do you know? your visual evidence means nothing compared to the live & in person visual evidence these quotes are based on , plain & simple you know nothing and your opinion is ignorant as well as flat out wrong.

[NeoSeminole]

Again the point still stands you are in disagreement with the eyewitnesses , like Dorian & McGough who both claims he is the better conditioned of the two

yes, change subjects when you get made to look like a fool. That's what you seem to be good at. You called out my reading skills when it was you who didn't know what the f*ck he was talking about.

Again stop trying to connect the dots , Ronnie was hard so therfore his conditioning was as good or exceeded Yates you're an out and out liar NO WHERE did you ever post a quote saying Ronnie Coleman matched or surpassed Dorian Yates in the conditioning department

so you're telling me they are referring to different types of granite? Which kind is Dorian and which is Ronnie?

Peter McGough – unknown

“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm

“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”

Again you're stuck thinking striations & separations means a person is the best conditioned NOT true because one can be striated & separated and still be holding water , the best conditioned gut has thin skin * being totally dried out * and is the hardest * lack of intramuscular fat * thats the best conditioned guy thats Dorian Yates

I've seen old guys with thin, leathery skin that looks harder than mine. Does that make them more conditioned than me? No.

duh because your muscles are covered in fat & water the lower these two become the striations ( and separations ) will appear the bottom line is no matter how dry & hard one becomes he's not going to get striations in the muscle if he's not genetically predisposed for them , again Ronnie's rectus femoris never showed cross-striations like Andreas Munzer despite the muscle being stripped of fat & water clearly showing great separation and development , its not because he still has some more fat & water to lose its because of genetics , hence why Munzer had more than anyone in this history of bodybuilding

Munzer also had the best conditioning of all-time. It's no coincidence that he was the most defined.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, change subjects when you get made to look like a fool. That's what you seem to be good at. You called out my reading skills when it was you who didn't know what the f*ck he was talking about.

so you're telling me they are referring to different types of granite? Which kind is Dorian and which is Ronnie?

Peter McGough – unknown

“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm

“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”

I've seen old guys with thin, leathery skin that looks harder than mine. Does that make them more conditioned than me? No.

Munzer also had the best conditioning of all-time. It's no coincidence that he was the most defined.

yes, change subjects when you get made to look like a fool. That's what you seem to be good at. You called out my reading skills when it was you who didn't know what the f*ck he was talking about.

funny you should mention poor reading skills you're the idiot who thinks a posed question is a declaration  and you're still in disagreement with eyewitnesses that Dorian was better conditioned

so you're telling me they are referring to different types of granite? Which kind is Dorian and which is Ronnie?

again idiot show me ANY of your quotes that say Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian Yates in the conditioning department you made up an outright LIE in saying so and these quotes don't mean anything

Peter McGough – unknown[/b]

“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness

No where does it say Mr Coleman is harder & drier than Dorian Yates and this is coming from the same guy who spoke made that quote

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

see how its done kid? thats definitive and specific to the argument at hand not some dumb quote mentioning how he looked in relation to his competition

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005[/b]

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

I love how you actually had the balls to post this quote as proof Ronnie is the best conditioned guy ever LMFAO you're the fucking idiot with reading comprehension skills 

Sean Toh[/b] – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm

“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone

again notice how it says its hailed by many to be HIS best showing , again it doesn't mention ANYTHING about his conditioning being better than Dorian Yates

I've seen old guys with thin, leathery skin that looks harder than mine. Does that make them more conditioned than me? No.

Oh boy 

Munzer also had the best conditioning of all-time. It's no coincidence that he was the most defined.

didn't you just try and pass the Coleman quote off as proof he was the best conditioned of all time and now its Munzer ? lol make up your mind and again how could Ronnie be the best conditioned of all time when he lacked striations like Munzer? 

striations are genetic and one can have them despite holding water get this through your head.

[NeoSeminole]

funny you should mention poor reading skills you're the idiot who thinks a posed question is a declaration

where did I say a question is the same as a declaration? I said their meaning can be the same depending on the context.

again idiot show me ANY of your quotes that say Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian Yates in the conditioning department you made up an outright LIE in saying so and these quotes don't mean anything

I'm still waiting to hear which kind of granite Dorian is and which kind Ronnie is seeing as how you believe the quotes are referring to different types.

Oh boy

I thought so.

didn't you just try and pass the Coleman quote off as proof he was the best conditioned of all time and now its Munzer ? lol make up your mind and again how could Ronnie be the best conditioned of all time when he lacked striations like Munzer?

Munzer paid for attaining his level of conditioning. Ronnie didn't.

[Hulkster]

You're the fucking idiot who posted Ronnie is grainer than Dorian because he's more vascular LMFAO I'm still laughing at that one you dolt ! what the hell do you know? your visual evidence means nothing compared to the live & in person visual evidence these quotes are based on , plain & simple you know nothing and your opinion is ignorant as well as flat out wrong.

just keep telling yourself that all the visuals in the sport mean nothing.

we aren't talking about one or two pics where ronnie looks better - we are talking about, well, 1600+ pages worth plus videos galore..

why do you think you avoid visuals like the plauge? 

but you just keep being naive, NaiveDeity.


lol

 

[Hulkster]

No where does it say Mr Coleman is harder & drier than Dorian Yates

it doesn't have to. we all can see that:

 

why don't you believe anything unless it is written down from someone else.. how sad to live life like that.

I feel truly sorry for you, NaiveDeity.

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

just keep telling yourself that all the visuals in the sport mean nothing.

we aren't talking about one or two pics where ronnie looks better - we are talking about, well, 1600+ pages worth plus videos galore..

why do you think you avoid visuals like the plauge? 

but you just keep being naive, NaiveDeity.


lol

 

please show me where I once said visuals don't matter , please do see when you're stuck on stupid and exposed as the dumbest guy on here you have to make up outright LIES because you have nothing else

visuals most certainly count when you're LIVE & IN PERSON  not sitting at home on your PC looking at pictures and determining Ronnie is more grainy than Dorian because he has more veins LMFAO

Dorian KILLS Ronnie in terms of muscle hardness and dryness I proved this point with firsthand eyewitness accounts of VISUAL EVIDENCE and I posted pictures and video as well , you're like Neo and idiot who thinks they know what they're talking about and funny all your points contradict the people who were there



While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

This is based on VISUAL EVIDENCE not pictures McGough was there through the whole of Yates career and Ronnie's what do you have ? NOTHING as usual

[England_1]

no kidding. Show me where I was ever in disagreement with your comment.

Point being that Ronnie could be at a higher bodyfat % than Dorian yet still show more overall striations compared to Yates 

Also, I am ready to challenge you in the Mr. Getbig. Are you competing?

[NarcissisticDeity]

it doesn't have to. we all can see that:

 

why don't you believe anything unless it is written down from someone else.. how sad to live life like that.

I feel truly sorry for you, NaiveDeity.

 

the meltdown continues , a smart man would say " pictures aren't accurate to really ascertain one's level of conditioning for a host of reasons , so seeing I wasn't there I'm going to have to take in on authority of someone who was , someone who is unbiased , honest and experienced " but then again you're not a smart man you're the idiot who thinks after looking at the ' visual evidence ' that Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler lol your interpretation of that contest alone shows you don't know the first thing about conditioning , or how contest are judged you see what you want.

[NeoSeminole]

Point being that Ronnie could be at a higher bodyfat % than Dorian yet still show more overall striations compared to Yates

I disagree. Ronnie's midsection and back smoothed out considerably when he was carrying more fat and water.

Also, I am ready to challenge you in the Mr. Getbig. Are you competing?

good luck.

[Hulkster]

I am still laughing at how you think that Peter McGough, a well known good friend (and fellow countryman) of yates can be 'unbiased'

 especially given that he claims that the 269 pound dorian that we all can see in the video was harder than ronnie has ever been (sic) :

LOL

 

tell us ND: do YOU agree with this assessment from peter:

LOL

 

[Hulkster]

LOL I suppose ND you are going to say that dorian was harder given the above? LOL

 

keep being Naive.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am still laughing at how you think that Peter McGough, a well known good friend (and fellow countryman) of yates can be 'unbiased'

 especially given that he claims that the 269 pound dorian that we all can see in the video was harder than ronnie has ever been (sic) :

LOL

 

tell us ND: do YOU agree with this assessment from peter:

LOL

 

Hulkster he is unbiased especially when he claimed the best physique he seen ( amended  ) was in fact Ronnie Coleman you wren't questioning his bias when it was pro Ronnie but when its pro-Yates you cry like a little bitch just another example of your hypocrisy

absolutely Dorian's hardness at that weight is unmatched striations are genetic and can be seen under a film of water so thats not the best gauge of dense conditioning and look at the ' comparison ' you set up LMFAO and then you actually have the balls to type that pictures are accurate what a tool

the Dorian picture is a screengrab from YouTube of a very shitty quality video to begin with he's untaned , he has no posing oil or contest lighting

the Ronnie picture is a much higher quality screengrab of Ronnie in contest form under contest lighting with posing oil and who knows if your buddy tampered with this one ( again you people aren't above it ) and you actually have the balls to type pictures are accurate? get the hell out of here you troll