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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2008, 11:19:24 AM »
you're anti-muslim, same difference "joe local"

I'm not anti-muslim, I'm anti-terrorist. Farrakan hates all Jews.

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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2008, 11:20:37 AM »
I'm not anti-muslim, I'm anti-terrorist. Farrakan hates all Jews.

on tues, obama flat out rejected farrakhan's endorsement.
so farrakhan's beliefs have NOTHING to do with obama. 


Also Obama has pledged a lot of $ and support to israel - he's very much on their side longterm.

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2008, 11:23:34 AM »
I'm not anti-muslim, I'm anti-terrorist. Farrakan hates all Jews.
I'm pretty sure you've said this statement in the past "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim!"

It's got a pretty anti-muslim vibe to it, my christian friend  ;)
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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2008, 11:26:21 AM »
mccain is a good man, a war hero, and he'd make a good president.

unfortunately, in order to win the nomination he had to promise to keep the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and for big business.  

these tax cuts are causing a recession, plain and simple. we're borrowing from china when we should be taxing.  we SHOULD have been taxing during the nice war rich streak, but Bush didn't.  Now we're in shit.

Obama is the better choice because he will tax the wealthy and he will help the economy recover.  joe, I know you'll pay higher taxes with Obama, and I don't blame you for not wanting him to win as a result.  In the LONGER RUN, however, fixing the 9 trillion dollar debt and keeping dollar strong is very much worth us getting our taxes raised for 2 years.  Your home and portfolio will be worth squat if this recession leads to a depression.

Rob, security of this country is something like 3rd on Obama's agenda........the first obligation as a President is to protect your country. In Obama, you have a guy who refuses to even put his hand on his heart let alone where a lapel pin of the american flag in support. You said you were a Republican, being a republican Rob, doesn't that rub you the wrong way?? You know as well as I do the majority of Liberals really dislike america, I truly fell Obama falls into that catagory.

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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2008, 11:29:23 AM »
Bullshit.....toward the last 1 1/2-2 years of Clintons term, we started going into a deep recession that Bush inherited and subsequently had the biggest turnaround in 20 + years. Clinton got lucky with his economy in the beginning because of the dot com boom, also don't forget Clinton had a Republican congress.


Bush inherited a 4.5 trillion debt.
The debt will be close to 10 tril when he leaves office.

He could have alleviated the debt by taxing when things were good - he chose not to.  He let the rich get richer.  Instead he CUT taxes while things were nice.  This was an unprecedented and terrible move - we were actually borrowing a 500B a year from China to avoid taxing the rich.  Very short term thinking there.

he let the rich get richer, and borrowed on US land to do it.

That wasn't clinton's fault - most everyone in america with any understanding of economies shrieked at it.

You can blame clinton for everything, but Bush had 6 years of control of white house and congress, and he chose to borrow.  CLinton didn't do that, bush did.    Please tell me what is wrong in my statement above.

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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2008, 11:30:08 AM »
I'm pretty sure you've said this statement in the past "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim!"

It's got a pretty anti-muslim vibe to it, my christian friend  ;)

Am I wrong?

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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2008, 11:32:52 AM »
Am I wrong?

Ever hear of the IRA?  Not many Muslims ever ran around with them.
It conflicted with the Catholic believes just a tad.


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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2008, 11:33:31 AM »
I'm not anti-muslim, I'm anti-terrorist. Farrakan hates all Jews.

So you're "anti-terrorist" huh?  Who's the only country to EVER be found guilty of international terrorism in the World Court, Joe? 
I'll give you a hint...it wasn't Isreal, Eygypt, Saudi Arabia or Russia...Still don't know? 

Maybe it's time to turn off Fox news and read a book.  :o


The sad part is that his vote counts the same as mine :-[

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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2008, 11:35:18 AM »
Am I wrong?

timothy mcveigh was a terrorist.  he wasn't arab.

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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2008, 11:40:54 AM »
Am I wrong?

Joe - you're almost always wrong.

As other have already pointed out the IRA, ETA, McVeigh (homegrown and Christian too).

How about Eric Rudolph (another good Christian) or the Uni-Bomber


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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2008, 11:46:27 AM »
how about the white supervisor at the FAA?

You know, after all those planes' transponders magically stopped working and all our fighter jets were magically sent out to sea to do laps.  The supervisor destroyed the tapes so we could never know what was said coordinating all of that.  You know, the fighter pilots flying 1875 mph dead-on to the hijacked planes, only to be told to run laps at 400 mph in the atlantic until everything had hit?

That man admitted he destroyed the tapes because 'it didn't show our best performance'.

It could have easily shown if there was indeed a coordinated effort by a few people to sabotage US fighter jet response time on 911.  maybe that's why the man threw it away.  Weird that the white-house controlled 911 commission didn't press him on it huh?

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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2008, 11:51:23 AM »
240 - you're entertaining and post good info but why do you always have to bring up 911 CT theories.  There are plenty of example of convicted non-muslim terrorists without having to jump off the deep end

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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2008, 11:55:40 AM »
sorry, and IMO it's not really the deep end there.

I'm not talking 911 CTs.

I'm asking why one guy was able to destroy crucial evidence in the murder of 3000 and wasn't even charged with tampering.  He's supervising the hub, where all decisions were made that day (many of which violated protocol) and he skates after destroying proof which would explain everything.


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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2008, 12:03:03 PM »
sorry, and IMO it's not really the deep end there.

I'm not talking 911 CTs.

I'm asking why one guy was able to destroy crucial evidence in the murder of 3000 and wasn't even charged with tampering.  He's supervising the hub, where all decisions were made that day (many of which violated protocol) and he skates after destroying proof which would explain everything.

was he convicted of a terrorist related offense?

convicted of anything?


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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2008, 12:08:35 PM »
It certainly does appear that the media favors Obama to Hillary.

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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2008, 12:16:27 PM »

because obama beats bush errr mccain by a landslide.

Not according to latest Quinnipiac poll.

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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2008, 12:17:37 PM »
timothy mcveigh was a terrorist.  he wasn't arab.

Not exactly a terrorist organization Rob.

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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2008, 12:18:38 PM »

did you RUN AWAY again joeloco ?


wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !

No, I work.......how about you?

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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2008, 12:22:32 PM »
Not exactly a terrorist organization Rob.

but still a terrorist

Eric Rudolph was most definitely a terrorist and given support by other rabid Christians

The point being that not ALL terrorists are Muslim

This statement was attributed to you but I didn't see you actually make this statement

Why don't you clarify your position

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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2008, 12:23:38 PM »
Joe - you're almost always wrong.

As other have already pointed out the IRA, ETA, McVeigh (homegrown and Christian too).

How about Eric Rudolph (another good Christian) or the Uni-Bomber



To the best of my knowledge, they don't wake up every day chanting "death to america" and again, Eric Rudolph wasn't a terrorist ORGANIZATION. Mc Veigh, Rudolph all individuals with there own agenda who pretty much acted either alone or with a couple of others.

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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2008, 12:26:25 PM »

i'll assume selling kiddie porn.


take your ball and go home.....again and again and again and again.


you're an attention whore at it's lowest.



What are you like 12? Is it possible for to carry on a debate without name calling. I understand the majority of this board is liberal (as most of the posts in this thread indicate) but at least the other can speak without name calling (Straw man and Rob specifically).

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« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2008, 12:26:43 PM »
Just for you Joe: All about George  ;)

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)


Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

And that is not even close to a complete list. Vacation in New Orleans if you want to see more of his administration's beauty.


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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2008, 12:29:10 PM »
To the best of my knowledge, they don't wake up every day chanting "death to america" and again, Eric Rudolph wasn't a terrorist ORGANIZATION. Mc Veigh, Rudolph all individuals with there own agenda who pretty much acted either alone or with a couple of others.

You've already been given plenty of examples of non-muslim groups who are terrorist.

Individuals such as McVeigh, Rudolph, etc... are committing acts of terrorism against US targets, US citizens, and US values.   It doesn't matter one bit whether they are chanting death to America or not.



Why don't you clarify your exact belief.


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Re: Media Prefers Obama's Rhetoric To His Command Of Issues
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2008, 12:29:57 PM »


The point being that not ALL terrorists are Muslim


I will retract that and I kinda knew this would be brought up when I said it. But the fact remains, it's the musslim terrorists that are the main threat to our country and the world for that matter.......they have made that very clear.

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« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2008, 12:33:18 PM »

 It doesn't matter one bit whether they are chanting death to America or not.



Why don't you clarify your exact belief.



You don't think it matters that you have thousands of Musslim terrorists that live for the sole reason to destroy us? What are you not clear on?