FINALLY - the reason DEMS tax more

[Hugo Chavez]

for the third time I wouln't disagree with another investigation.

why say it when you think there isn't a case for it?

[Brixtonbulldog]

zero way he's 35.  His pics from a little while back looked very young.

I'm 24.

Just because I don't feel it necessary for another investigation that doesn't mean I would object to it either.

[240 is Back]

for the third time I wouln't disagree with another investigation.

in that case, we're in agreement!

[JBGRAY]

The claim that modern Repubs desire small government and Dems want it to be even larger is simply that........a claim.  Both parties are statists.  The number of lobbyists under the Bush administration has doubled from 17k to 34k.  The Defense budget is severely bloated due to the wars we run.  The US Department of Education continually receives increasing amounts of funding, despite the well known fact that US education languishes far behind even less developed countries.  Unemployment and welfare benefits are ever on the rise.

Half of all Americans receive some sort of paycheck from government.  That is unacceptable.

[shootfighter1]

Exactly, thats precisely why I voted for Ron Paul.  The bulk of his ideas make sense and are similar to the basic founding principles of our country.

[Brixtonbulldog]

The claim that modern Repubs desire small government and Dems want it to be even larger is simply that........a claim.  Both parties are statists.  The number of lobbyists under the Bush administration has doubled from 17k to 34k.  The Defense budget is severely bloated due to the wars we run.  The US Department of Education continually receives increasing amounts of funding, despite the well known fact that US education languishes far behind even less developed countries.  Unemployment and welfare benefits are ever on the rise.

Half of all Americans receive some sort of paycheck from government.  That is unacceptable.

It's not a claim.. it's a historical fact.  I concede that Bush has deviated from conservatism in that area.

And I agree whole heartedly with your last statement.

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm 24.

Just because I don't feel it necessary for another investigation that doesn't mean I would object to it either.

No, it just means you were a kid when the shit hit the fan   When you were getting grounded by daddy, we were voting and following politics and here you are telling me I don't know what a neoconserative is   You were 8 years old when I was an active Marine casting my vote for Bill Clinton.

[dantelis]

I wondered if your chart was skewed since it only showed data since 1975.  Appears from the chart below that the trend is pretty constant since World War II.  So much for Republicans being more fiscally responsible.



http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

"For the mathematically inclined, if you take the first derivative of the data presented to find the slope of each President’s debt increase, you will find that the Republican slopes are consistently more positive than the Democratic slopes.  For everyone else, this just means that unbiased mathematical proof exists to support the claim that since 1945, Republican presidents have borrowed more than Democratic presidents regardless of the inflation rate."

[Brixtonbulldog]

No, it just means you were a kid when the shit hit the fan   When you were getting grounded by daddy, we were voting and following politics and here you are telling me I don't know what a neoconserative is   You were 8 years old when I was an active Marine casting my vote for Bill Clinton.

Congrats.. you voted for the guy who let the 19 terrorists into the country.  Good job!

You and I both took the same oath yet you voted for a president who did so much to destroy our nations security.

[OzmO]

Congrats.. you voted for the guy who let the 19 terrorists into the country. Good job!

wow!   please explain.

[240 is Back]

Congrats.. you voted for the guy who let the 19 terrorists into the country.  Good job!

You and I both took the same oath yet you voted for a president who did so much to destroy our nations security.

just when you debate like an adult for 30 minutes, you return to blind ignorance.

please exlpain that.

[dantelis]

Congrats.. you voted for the guy who let the 19 terrorists into the country.  Good job!

You and I both took the same oath yet you voted for a president who did so much to destroy our nations security.

Yeah! How dare Bill Clinton not stand guard on each and every border crossing & point of entry into the U.S. and make sure personally that no one bad gets in.  

Be serious.  If you are going to post blaim, Bush and his administration are just as much at fault for 9/11.  (http://archive.democrats.com/elandslide/petition.cfm?campaign=911)  

[Hugo Chavez]

Congrats.. you voted for the guy who let the 19 terrorists into the country.  Good job!

You and I both took the same oath yet you voted for a president who did so much to destroy our nations security.

in your ABC fakumentary.

[Hugo Chavez]

wow!   please explain.

ABC had the fakumentary that pretty much blamed Clinton for everything.  Rightwing morons globbed onto it like gospel.  The production was traced back to an extreme rightwing source.  I'm not a huge Clinton fan anyway but when it comes to justifying my vote against Bush Sr. I got no problem there

[Hugo Chavez]

I like it how Brix makes it sound like Clinton arranged for the terrorist's to come in   jeez, the fakumentary didn't even go that far

[OzmO]

Some people need to accept what they know deep down is a lie or a emotional belilef to help them justify supporting something else.

It amazes me still that hard core conservatives even the ones who call people out for hating BUSH, in their own hatred of Clinton would actually blame him for 9/11.

It really boils down to classic programming.   The masses in this country have been programmed to be set in political opposites in way the playing field is pre-determined, some examples:

-  Abortion
-  Government spending
-  Weak or Strong on Defense
-  Universal Health care equating to socialism
-  Social issue vs religious issues
-  Libs hate America
-  Conservatives are war mongers

[War-Horse]

Brix is 24yrs old.    Lifes gonna be kicking him in the balls for awhile before he comes around....

[Hedgehog]

The national debt has to be paid off.

Once the economy is going well again (and it will, sooner or later), a congress and a president has to be fiscally responsible enough to not spend too much, rather try to slim the military, which costs a third of every tax dollar.

The taxes also needs to be raised, in order to curb any overheating of economy.

But that is not a very popular message.

Seems like many people prefers a bankrupt nation.

Obviously, you can't raise taxes and start paying off on the national debt when the economy is going slow.

That would hurt both private and corporate economy.


But a politician has to be bold enough to raise taxes when the economy heating up. Then it's all about being able to communicate why it is necessary to the "Tre's" of the worlds (no offense Tre ).

[Brixtonbulldog]

just when you debate like an adult for 30 minutes, you return to blind ignorance.

please exlpain that.

You must be pretty riled up.. since I called you ignorant earlier you have been calling me nothing but

[Brixtonbulldog]

in your ABC fakumentary.

Never saw it.. and I wouldn't need it to show how Clinton allowed 9/11 to happen.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Yeah! How dare Bill Clinton not stand guard on each and every border crossing & point of entry into the U.S. and make sure personally that no one bad gets in.  

Be serious.  If you are going to post blaim, Bush and his administration are just as much at fault for 9/11.  (http://archive.democrats.com/elandslide/petition.cfm?campaign=911)  

Not even close

[Brixtonbulldog]

Brix is 24yrs old.    Lifes gonna be kicking him in the balls for awhile before he comes around....

Welcome to the party.. don't forget to bring your life partner.

I'd venture to say my life is pretty damn good.

[gtbro1]

Congrats.. you voted for the guy who let the 19 terrorists into the country.  Good job!

You and I both took the same oath yet you voted for a president who did so much to destroy our nations security.

    And you support a guy who let those 19 terrorists crash planes into the towers.

[Brixtonbulldog]

I know the truth hurts

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/4/03534.shtml

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/9/120750.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18972-2004Mar23.html

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020812/story.html

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/billC.htm

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/clintonhunt.html

[gtbro1]

 you are comparing apples to oranges now...