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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #475 on: April 09, 2008, 11:41:40 PM »
Yeah, just like that...sorry your "boy" wasn't able to beat me...get over it.

You talk about how important an IFBB title is and it is the epitome to compete in the IFBB cause when you win a title you beat the best.  But honestly you don't even think you looked better than Rusty that day, yet you won because the IFBB promised you a title if you agreed to become the IFBB Athlete rep and do what the IFBB told you to do.  Now because of this, does it take away the glory of winning the title knowing you weren't the best at the show and that only politics got you the win.  Just wondering.  Me personally think you looked great but not better than Rusty.  And from all indications I am with the majority on this......except of course the judges who are controlled by your bosses.  Things that make you go ummmmmmmmm?  Also, why are you debating and trying to belittle Ben's show.  What has he done to you.  Why do you even talk about the show.  It has nothing to do with you or the IFBB.  Are you also the NPC rep.  Come on Chic it is so evident the NPC ass-brass is telling you do to this.  If you say NO they are not then you truly are not good for BB.  You DO NOT care about BB and helping it grow.  Please give us some of your double-talk and mis-direction in your reply.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #476 on: April 09, 2008, 11:43:36 PM »
Can't we all just get along?  ???

That is actually a great picture to associate the IFBB and its members.  They hug you and are nice to you then when they are done pretending, they eat you and fuck you up.

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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #477 on: April 09, 2008, 11:47:02 PM »
Now that were at least reading the same book....perhaps you can answer the ONE question I asked.

Let's replace the word "Idiot's", with athletes, as you claim to have not used it...fine, I believe you.

I'd still like to know how you're different than the NPC in that after the winner gets his "reward"....what do the other athletes get?



Well kind of like a prestigious IFBB card holder that doesn't place...........NOTHING

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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #478 on: April 09, 2008, 11:54:54 PM »
Bob,you do not need to win to get the Motorcycle,just compete,you do not need to win to get your own TV Show in Los Angeles (1 Male and 1 Female Athlete) you just have to have "the look" and personality,
every Athlete is invited to the Party with free food and drinks,where we give out Golds stuff,Lana EggWhites,Vitamins .............we will treat Athletes with the most respect,exactly how they deserve it and they will go home and had the best experience of their Bodybuilding life.That is all what the Athletes can get who are not winning $1000,$1500,$2000,$10000 or a new car.
The whole Idea for the contest was doing something for the Athletes,appreciate the Athletes.We could have worked perfect together,all Athletes are in Town anyway,in shape anyway,we would have a great Bodybuilding and Figure 3 day festival.Athletes would compete in the USA,who probably would have not,more people in the attendance in booth shows because of the great 3 day festival.All Athletes would be happy! But noooooooo the NPC decides what is good for the Athletes,is only good for the Athletes,when it has the NPC stamp on it.
It is just sad to see that you do not care about the Athletes because you (the NPC) is afraid we could be some kind of rival BS.We are not an Organization and we are not planning on it,however we care a lot about the Athletes and I hope our show breaks even or close to it.(It looks like it)So that we can put on more shows with more prizes next year!!!
We can change Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure for the better in the long run and we are definitely
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Ben honestly, you are wasting your time arguing with Chic.  He has been brainwashed beyond repair by the IFBB and Manion.  They can do no wrong in his eyes.  He owes them everything he has.  He has too say and do whatever he can to try and make the IFBB awesome.  If there is a threat, he gets a call immediately and is told to make it sound like any show other than a NPC or IFBB show is bad for bodybuilding.  A show like yours that will actually take care of the athletes and be good for BB makes the IFBB and NPC look bad.  They can't handle that.  So, really you should give up arguing with Chic.  It is like getting Sean Ray to quit fucking trannies or enjoy getting pissed on at parties by chicks.  It just won't happen.  ANd also Chic is really against you cause you have Lana Egg Whites sponsoring instead of his company.

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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #479 on: April 10, 2008, 04:02:14 AM »
Also, why are you debating and trying to belittle Ben's show.  What has he done to you.  Why do you even talk about the show.  It has nothing to do with you or the IFBB.  Are you also the NPC rep.  Come on Chic it is so evident the NPC ass-brass is telling you do to this.  If you say NO they are not then you truly are not good for BB.  You DO NOT care about BB and helping it grow.  Please give us some of your double-talk and mis-direction in your reply.

Haha this is so true, whenever IFBB doesn't like anything or sees a threat, who suddenly shows up and starts to talk down and insult people?
Yep you guessed it, Bob Chick.

Chick, please it doesn't get any more obvious. You never give the impression of being a trustworthy athlete-rep. You always mention the improvements you've made or tried to make but somehow they just seem to be filled with air. Your so called "improvements" carry little weight and has no chance in hell to change the things that are important even though you claim the opposite.  What you're in fact doing is defending the IFBB or attack those threatening them.

A real athlete-rep would never act like this. A real ahlete-rep would behave in a professional manner even though the "peanut gallery" is giving him/her shit. And as onlyme pointed out, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN IN THIS THREAD!? With your position it is a clear conflict of interests and only demonstrates what you are really trying to achieve here.

AS SOON SOMEONE TALKS SMACK ABOUT IFBB OR THE NPC WITH LEGIMATE REASONS, BOB CHICK ALWAYS SHOW UP DEFENDING THEM. This have happened so many times now that it becomes almost statistically impossible for you to do it for any other reason than to defend the IFBB no matter how wrong or corrupted they are.

And oh, when Jay won the last Olympia, isn't it kind of pathetic of you showing up on a radio show trying to defend the judges decision? YOU of all people, IFBB could easily sent one of the judges to explain the travesty instead. Just something that smelled really funny or more like corrupted shit actually.
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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #480 on: April 10, 2008, 07:47:34 AM »
Keith has been going on and on about this Rusty Jeffers guy. So I thought I should have a look at that controversial masters contest that Chick 'won'.

I was amazed because only one guy had the shape, size and condition to win. He stood out above everyone else. Several others could lay claim to being the runner up but if this guy is Jeffers then he was clearly and definitely the best.

Here is the best shot from the contest. I didn't see this guy compared with Bob. Why they put Claude beside Bob only the IFBB judges know. What a disgrace, farce and travesty.

Bob Chick got a gift.

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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #481 on: April 10, 2008, 07:56:23 AM »
A real athlete-rep would never act like this. A real ahlete-rep would behave in a professional manner even though the "peanut gallery" is giving him/her shit. And as onlyme pointed out, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN IN THIS THREAD!? With your position it is a clear conflict of interests and only demonstrates what you are really trying to achieve here.

AS SOON SOMEONE TALKS SMACK ABOUT IFBB OR THE NPC WITH LEGIMATE REASONS, BOB CHICK ALWAYS SHOW UP DEFENDING THEM.

That is not an entirely fair statement.

Bob should be allowed to speak on what he knows of NPC policies and sentiments and this has no relevance at all to his position as an IFBB athlete's rep. 

To be clear, Ben's show is not an 'attack' on the NPC...and at the same time, Bob is free to speak his mind on this topic. 

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #482 on: April 10, 2008, 08:34:34 AM »
Keith has been going on and on about this Rusty Jeffers guy. So I thought I should have a look at that controversial masters contest that Chick 'won'.

I was amazed because only one guy had the shape, size and condition to win. He stood out above everyone else. Several others could lay claim to being the runner up but if this guy is Jeffers then he was clearly and definitely the best.

Here is the best shot from the contest. I didn't see this guy compared with Bob. Why they put Claude beside Bob only the IFBB judges know. What a disgrace, farce and travesty.

Bob Chick got a gift.


Maybe the IFBB asked Rusty if he would do everything they tell him to do and to pretend to represent the IFBB athletes but in reality do everything you can to make the IFBB look good and Rusty said no.  Chic wins the contest plus a position with the IFBB by default because no one else would do that for the IFBB.  It is all clear now.  And where is Chic how come he isn't on here defending himself.  Is it because Manion is not around to get answers from.  Where are you Chic, how come you don't defend these statements.  Is it because you know they are true.  Have you given up.

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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #483 on: April 10, 2008, 09:47:29 AM »
they sponsored your "win"

You're as clueles as Goatballs and Basile....BB.com wasn't a sponsor at all, fool

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #484 on: April 10, 2008, 09:49:20 AM »
maybe the NPC is making idle threats hoping that athletes will get scared and not compete in the B&A classic.

Jim Manion really supports bodybuilding!

Disgusted, thanks for responding.

I personally don't know the facts behind the two pros you know, nor how well they are known within the pro ranks of the IFBB.

Maybe that org didn't offer a cash award.

Maybe they were simply overlooked.

Maybe no one knew.

Maybe no one made a complaint - official or otherwise.

Maybe the decision makers wanted to be "good guys" that day and just let it slide.

Maybe the NPC got threatened by their lawyer.

Maybe the NPC banned each for a certain time period which we don't know about.

Lot of "maybe's" there but I bet ya a dollar to a doughnut, that neither of them won that amateur event.



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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #485 on: April 10, 2008, 09:58:10 AM »
That is not an entirely fair statement.

Bob should be allowed to speak on what he knows of NPC policies and sentiments and this has no relevance at all to his position as an IFBB athlete's rep. 

To be clear, Ben's show is not an 'attack' on the NPC...and at the same time, Bob is free to speak his mind on this topic. 

He's free to say whatever he wants. It just so happens that everytime he opens his mouth in one of these treads he always spews out IFBB defense that sometimes is ridicously obvious. He is an athlete rep and by trying to belittle Bens show he is doing the absolute worst for those he represent. He never approached this whole thing with optimism or well wishes as he is supposed to in the position he is. Instead as always he manages to talk shit about another rivaling competion/fed. That's what bothers me.

In the beginning of this thread, he actually tried his best to defend the NPC athlete contracts which would enforce an illegal suspension of an athlete that competes in a rivaling competion. That whole suspension/selective enforment thing is total bullshit and its only sole purpose is to secure whatever position the NPC has. It is the opposite of benificial to the athletes but still Bob defends it.

Like a damn clockwork. He always shows up in these threads.
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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #486 on: April 10, 2008, 10:13:24 AM »
That's a good one....BB.com wasn't even a sponsor of the show...LOL.

Correct.  They did a great webcast.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #487 on: April 10, 2008, 03:46:47 PM »
Bob what is your or the IFBB thinking on the Bringing Discredit to the IFBB Rule,Would it be a Pro calling King a Bitch or Milos Synthol arms and what the Fuk do they think of Pros Esp women who have Porn sites showing their smelly parts.And they banned Priest.FFS you have guys going to prison for Drug dealing and they end up with better placings in IFBB shows.You must be Fukin Blind.OPEN YOUR EYES. ::)

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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #488 on: April 10, 2008, 10:29:14 PM »
You talk about how important an IFBB title is and it is the epitome to compete in the IFBB cause when you win a title you beat the best.  But honestly you don't even think you looked better than Rusty that day, yet you won because the IFBB promised you a title if you agreed to become the IFBB Athlete rep and do what the IFBB told you to do.  Now because of this, does it take away the glory of winning the title knowing you weren't the best at the show and that only politics got you the win.  Just wondering.  Me personally think you looked great but not better than Rusty.  And from all indications I am with the majority on this......except of course the judges who are controlled by your bosses.  Things that make you go ummmmmmmmm?  Also, why are you debating and trying to belittle Ben's show.  What has he done to you.  Why do you even talk about the show.  It has nothing to do with you or the IFBB.  Are you also the NPC rep.  Come on Chic it is so evident the NPC ass-brass is telling you do to this.  If you say NO they are not then you truly are not good for BB.  You DO NOT care about BB and helping it grow.  Please give us some of your double-talk and mis-direction in your reply.

Bro, you're smoking crack....with all due respect to Rusty, it wasn't close. He's never beaten me on stage in any show we've competed against each other....ever. I've said many times, I believe Rusty could have easily been in the top 5, as I have always believed a complete physique beats  an incomplete physique all day long....conditioning shouldn't be given the amount of credit it gets, over shape, symmetry and proportion....

NO ONE there thought Rusty should have beaten me, or any one else for that matter...only the fools trying to save face on the internet after talking their smack for 12 weeks and how I was way behind. and how this guy and that guy were going to beat me, blah, blah.....then all of a sudden the landscape changes when I release the final 2 week out video, clearly showing I was in shape and going to be tough to beat.

On other matters....show me one single post where I belittle Ben's show? I asked him to clarify his comments and how it's any different than other shows (USA).....a question he STILL can't, or won't answer. He got caught double talking, simple as that.

As to the rest of your nonsense you write....PLEASE...you starting to worry me....starting to sound like Basile



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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #489 on: April 10, 2008, 10:35:34 PM »
Bro, you're smoking crack....with all due respect to Rusty, it wasn't close.

NO ONE there thought Rusty should have beaten me, or any one else for that matter

Someone photoshopped his pics then. All of them. Yours, too.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #490 on: April 11, 2008, 06:15:24 AM »
Winners almost never complain about the judges decision.

Hope this helps, Bob.

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Re: 16 weeks to the B&A International Classics
« Reply #491 on: April 11, 2008, 06:40:36 AM »
Bro, you're smoking crack....with all due respect to Rusty, it wasn't close. He's never beaten me on stage in any show we've competed against each other....ever. I've said many times, I believe Rusty could have easily been in the top 5, as I have always believed a complete physique beats  an incomplete physique all day long....conditioning shouldn't be given the amount of credit it gets, over shape, symmetry and proportion....

NO ONE there thought Rusty should have beaten me, or any one else for that matter...only the fools trying to save face on the internet after talking their smack for 12 weeks and how I was way behind. and how this guy and that guy were going to beat me, blah, blah.....then all of a sudden the landscape changes when I release the final 2 week out video, clearly showing I was in shape and going to be tough to beat.

On other matters....show me one single post where I belittle Ben's show? I asked him to clarify his comments and how it's any different than other shows (USA).....a question he STILL can't, or won't answer. He got caught double talking, simple as that.

As to the rest of your nonsense you write....PLEASE...you starting to worry me....starting to sound like Basile






I did read post number 30 but like i said Bob,it makes no sense to argue with you since you will never say something good about our show.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #492 on: April 11, 2008, 08:35:09 AM »
Ben1 did not deserve all this bullshit.   I am pissed off at this thread and anyone seeing this can see that he's being black-balled behind the scenes.

This sport will never go forward under a communistic,fascist monopoly like the NPC and IFBB.   We all know that 95% of pros will never make money or recieve compensation for the horrendous amont of money they spend in this feild.

As ben has said the IFBB allows amatuers to recieve compnsation in its other countries but brings the hammer down when tried in the USA......I would assume there are legal ramifications to this "Double standard" of contract by-laws.

I hope all will agree to support the B&A contest after the USA to show support for the atletes,and not just the "fascist"  weider org.   >:(  >:(

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #493 on: April 11, 2008, 09:40:23 AM »
Ben1 did not deserve all this bullshit.   I am pissed off at this thread and anyone seeing this can see that he's being black-balled behind the scenes.

This sport will never go forward under a communistic,fascist monopoly like the NPC and IFBB.   We all know that 95% of pros will never make money or recieve compensation for the horrendous amont of money they spend in this feild.

As ben has said the IFBB allows amatuers to recieve compnsation in its other countries but brings the hammer down when tried in the USA......I would assume there are legal ramifications to this "Double standard" of contract by-laws.

I hope all will agree to support the B&A contest after the USA to show support for the atletes,and not just the "fascist"  weider org.   >:(  >:(

true  No matter how much people might like Chic.  His presence and remarks on this thread are uncalled for and kind f shows his real side.  He can give a shit about BB.  If he did, he would simply come on here and wish Ben luck and let it go.  But he continues to try and make Ben and his show look bad because the IFBB pussies and Manion don't like competition.  It is that simple.  Chic comes on here with so much bullshit and double talk it is really sad.  Why don't they just let Ben do his thing and if it goes then they have something to be afraid of but not attack before the show even happens.  This is why te IFBB is a  joke and BB is such a joke.  People like Manion, Chic and all the punks at the IFBB office.  Can anyone say insecurity

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #494 on: April 11, 2008, 02:49:05 PM »
Can't we all just be friends?  :-[

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #495 on: April 11, 2008, 03:40:01 PM »
Everybody thinks they have a better recipe, but the proof is in the pudden.

And no matter what that original pudden tastes like, through the years its proven to be a big success and sells like hotcakes. 

And up to now when any other master-blaster-chef tries to change that pudden recipe, the pudden falls flat in its baken bowl.

We can all talk and complain about changing that proven and often disliked recipe, but there hasn't been a chef who has come up with a better way of making that puddden more successful and better tasten.

Even if Ben is successful, most of us will hate his pudden just as much as we do today. Or simple dispise him for coming up with a better recipe.

The recipe we failed to create ourselves.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #496 on: April 11, 2008, 04:24:17 PM »
And no matter what that original pudden tastes like, through the years its proven to be a big success and sells like hotcakes. 
And up to now when any other master-blaster-chef tries to change that pudden recipe, the pudden falls flat in its baken bowl.

the fallacy of this line of argument is that the "pudding" of today is not the same as what it was 15 years ago, which is not what it was 30 years ago, and 45 years ago.    Amateur contests are very different today than what they were in years past.  Pro bodybuilding today is very different than in years past.   Times change.  Athletes change.  Fans change. 

the problem with lifetime appointments, be it executives, promoters, or judges, whether it's official lifetime appointments or by default, is that what's in the best interest of the officials is not always the same as what's in the best interest of the athletes and fans.     The officials want to maximize their personal income up until their retirement.   If they feel the pie can't get any bigger, then if someone else gets a piece of it, there is less of it for them.

In the 1960s the Weiders were successful because they offered something different.   In the AAU, the winner of a contest was suppose to be the one who best represented the American male.  So athletes were judged on complexion, speaking ability, athletic ability in other sports, as well as physiques.   The Weiders offered something different, that a bodybuilding contest should be about physiques only.   The fans and athletes voted over many years and the Weiders point of view won out.   And they got very rich because of that.

bodybuilding in its current form is not doing so well.  the people in the NPC are either oblivious to that, or just don't know how to fix it.  or perhaps they feel it can't be fixed, and they just hope it will last until they reach retirement.   but their biggest fear is that someone else may figure it out and they suddenly become superfluous.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #497 on: April 11, 2008, 04:49:55 PM »
It seems to me that bodybuilding not only has to be fair but seen to be fair. When Joe and Ben ran contests in the 1960s they were open contests with no restrictions. Larry Scott never won the AAU Mr America but did win the IFBB version. In those days the AAU version was more prestigious partly because Bob Hoffman and Peary Rader featured those champs in their magazines.

While Weider was jockying for a position, the NABBA organization was the premier one on the world stage. To this day the NABBA judging system is superior to the silly rounds that the IFBB uses. Ben Weider had no clue about how to judge bodybuilding contests and adopted a system that resembled what was used in other sports. That legacy is partly to blame for many of the controversial decisions seen in the IFBB. There are too many ways to derail accurate judging.

The Olympia used to be for anyone who won a top title. This could still happen and there wouldn't have to be any qualifying. It would be a simple matter to reduce the field down for the finals. What has evolved in the IFBB is a system of rewards and punishments. Pro cards and qualifying are things that allow the IFBB to totally control those who want to win the Olympia.

Along comes a new Ben and he faces the same crap Joe and Ben faced in the old days. Instead of keeping things open the IFBB wants to totally control all the top bodybuilders.

The ironical thing is that if Ben decided to do drug testing he wouldn't have many in his contest!

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #498 on: April 11, 2008, 06:22:05 PM »
Are you saying Pros use Drugs Vince and the IFBB know it that's why they DON'T Drug test Pro shows.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmm ;D

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #499 on: April 12, 2008, 11:02:01 AM »
If the NPC would be smart and all business and not so focused on monopolizing,they would let their Athletes
sign a waiver,would them charge $50 or whatever,so that they are not an NPC Athlete on July 27th for 1 day,they would make easy $10000 - $20000 and everybody would be happy,instead of scare their Athletes,
( I know it is funny coming from me) NPC Athletes will anyway (certainly not all) compete at our show.There are always to many wrong decisions at the USA and Athletes will be angry and since they are in town,why not go to the B&A and see what they can do for us.
Anyway we (The B&A) will have our competition no matter what.I am really looking forward to it and we really believe that we can change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.


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