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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #600 on: April 15, 2008, 10:30:55 AM »
Chic just to let you know how really dumb you are starting to become.  Goodrum is supporting you.  That should tell you right there you are on the wrong side of the fence.  You are sounding as moronic as he does.  Do you see where your life is heading.  Do you honestly want to be known and remembered as the "white Goodrum"  come on man have some dignity.  You are lowering yourself to the level of "Goodrum"  You might as well go out and start beating dogs and cats in the neighborhood and even worse start selling Magic Sticks


Keith, you're talking out of your ass.  So we agree on something....big fucking whoop. 

I've disagreed with him on other things including the 2006 Master Worlds as I thought originally that Johnny Stewart should have gotten the edge (Not Rusty Jeffers) originally but the difference is that I actually did it in a professional manner.
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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #601 on: April 15, 2008, 10:33:11 AM »
Tim provided a list of people I've never heard of (and I've been around the block for some time)...never placing in the top 10-15 of any National show....only provides an answer as to how they slip through the cracks...who would know if Joe Blow placed 5th in some Natural show in East Jesus?

ok, so now that I've provided a tool for the NPC to keep track of such things, they'll be starting disciplinary actions on Charles Anderson, Alan Bailey, John Bauler, Michael Carter, Marc Arthur Dautruche, Jameul Dye, Rico Elbaz, Dave Goodin, Caesar Hamilton, Tommy Hawk, Dietrich Horsey, Nigel Ifill, Jamel Keels, Tim Martin, Michael Miller, Robert Moore, Charles Moorer, William Powell, Eugene Rhodes, Philip Ricardo, Ben Rodriguez, Jaime Rosario, Michael Tryska, and Wil Usher

(those are ones who have violated this 'rule' in the past two years)

(it's surprising how many of them are Team Universe competitors)

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #602 on: April 15, 2008, 10:41:42 AM »
ok, so now that I've provided a tool for the NPC to keep track of such things, they'll be starting disciplinary actions on Charles Anderson, Alan Bailey, John Bauler, Michael Carter, Marc Arthur Dautruche, Jameul Dye, Rico Elbaz, Dave Goodin, Caesar Hamilton, Tommy Hawk, Dietrich Horsey, Nigel Ifill, Jamel Keels, Tim Martin, Michael Miller, Robert Moore, Charles Moorer, William Powell, Eugene Rhodes, Philip Ricardo, Ben Rodriguez, Jaime Rosario, Michael Tryska, and Wil Usher

(those are ones who have violated this 'rule' in the past two years)

(it's surprising how many of them are Team Universe competitors)


How do you know that these people didn't have any sanctioned levied upon them????  For the most part, most of these competitors are from the WNBF and NABBA and the NPC problably didn't pay any mind or saw them as a considerable threat.

In addition, having someone like Dave Goodin or Tim Martin competing at the Team Universe when he's been a 2 time WNBF World Champion or 3 time WNBF Mr Universe actually works to the NPC's advantage in making their show more prestigous than the WNBF   
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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #603 on: April 15, 2008, 10:43:26 AM »
Its not a scare tactics, its part the NPC rules.  If you compete for money or prizes then you are no longer considered an amatuer athlete....period. 

and if they had been enforcing that rule in the last dozen years, they might have a point.  but they haven't and it's pretty impossible for them to start now without being slapped with a lawsuit or two.   

back in the day, being paid for photos cost you your amateur status, working as a personal trainer cost you your amateur status, certainly being paid to endorse a product cost you your amateur status.  by those standards, there won't be a single amateur at the NPC USAs.

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One more thing to Tim and everyone else, I don't work for the NPC or IFBB nor do I work for Chick or BB.com.  I've disagreed with Chick on a few things but usually he's dead on the money when it comes to things like this and is doing a great service to the NPC and IFBB competitors. 

your motivation is that you want to seem important.  you're failing.  why would anyone in the NPC use you to get out info is beyond me.   if they had any clue about the internet and go see what you write under your various gimmick accounts, they wouldn't be sharing anything with you.

Chick's motivation seems to be only that he answers to Manion or is friends with Lindsey

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #604 on: April 15, 2008, 10:47:48 AM »
How do you know that these people didn't have any sanctioned levied upon them???? 

no one has been DQed, no one has been prevented from entering a contest.  people have gone back and forth between amateur, pro, amateur, pro, over many years and within the same year.

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In addition, having someone like Dave Goodin or Tim Martin competing at the Team Universe when he's been a 2 time WNBF World Champion or 3 time WNBF Mr Universe actually works to the NPC's advantage in making their show more prestigous than the WNBF   

rules cannot be selectively enforced.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #605 on: April 15, 2008, 12:09:21 PM »
O Ton Vince :
Of course, they are not going to keep up with who competed where but the NPC made the announcement about THIS SHOW which means don't compete unless you wish to withdraw your NPC status.


I like to see this announcement,letter or whatever..........there is no such official letter,there was only a letter about the IFBB Pros but no NPC letter or official announcement yet, why because they know they will get sued!

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #606 on: April 15, 2008, 01:14:45 PM »
O Ton Vince :
Of course, they are not going to keep up with who competed where but the NPC made the announcement about THIS SHOW which means don't compete unless you wish to withdraw your NPC status.


I like to see this announcement,letter or whatever..........there is no such official letter,there was only a letter about the IFBB Pros but no NPC letter or official announcement yet, why because they know they will get sued!


 No they won't... ::)  Its in the NPC rule book and all athletes have signed off on their agreements to follow them. 
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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #607 on: April 15, 2008, 01:20:11 PM »
and if they had been enforcing that rule in the last dozen years, they might have a point.  but they haven't and it's pretty impossible for them to start now without being slapped with a lawsuit or two.   

back in the day, being paid for photos cost you your amateur status, working as a personal trainer cost you your amateur status, certainly being paid to endorse a product cost you your amateur status.  by those standards, there won't be a single amateur at the NPC USAs.

your motivation is that you want to seem important.  you're failing.  why would anyone in the NPC use you to get out info is beyond me.   if they had any clue about the internet and go see what you write under your various gimmick accounts, they wouldn't be sharing anything with you.

Chick's motivation seems to be only that he answers to Manion or is friends with Lindsey



Obviously, I'm important or otherwise so many people would not have responded to this thread or any one that I place up. 

I also do not have a personal need to be important nor keep myself amused.  I own and operate a successful online health and fitness business and train a lot of people. 

In other words, I have a job Tim...... ::)
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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #608 on: April 15, 2008, 01:48:50 PM »
In other words, I have a job Tim...... ::)

melvin has a job.  you're a gimmeck

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #609 on: April 15, 2008, 02:10:33 PM »
melvin has a job.  you're a gimmeck

Try spelling gimmick correctly first off.  Second, the only thing you do is beg for donations and whine about being unemployed.  Stop complaining and start working.
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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #610 on: April 15, 2008, 02:53:31 PM »
Second, the only thing you do is beg for donations

what good it does.  It's brought in less than $50 in the last six months, even though I provide a valuable service to the bodybuilding community (and receiving 2300 unique visitors a day).

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and whine about being unemployed.  Stop complaining and start working.

I easily put in 60 hours of work a week.  just not getting paid for too much of it.  that's my choice

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #611 on: April 15, 2008, 03:16:41 PM »
getting owned by your own stupid self.

After providing a list of names multiple times you have now backed yourself into a corner.
The only logical conclusion drawn from your ramblings on the NPC rule is that

"only the top 15 of a national show cannot compete for money on other federations, for everyone else it is ok"

why don't you try and double talk your way out of this one again?

While you're at it, try and answer this one too:

if you really don't care if they compete in bens show, why are you on this thread?
somehow i douby it is to wish ben good luck.


Getting "owned" by who? A moron like yourself?LOLOLOLOLOL............. .............

I didn't have to "invent" anything, Genius....Tim provided a list of people I've never heard of (and I've been around the block for some time)...never placing in the top 10-15 of any National show....only provides an answer as to how they slip through the cracks...who would know if Joe Blow placed 5th in some Natural show in East Jesus?

You're a joke...

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #612 on: April 15, 2008, 04:01:25 PM »
This shit has been going on for years the NPC IFBB have always stood over their athletes with a big stick look at Priest they treat Pros like idiots so why would it be any different for others???.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #613 on: April 15, 2008, 04:02:08 PM »

 No they won't... ::)  Its in the NPC rule book and all athletes have signed off on their agreements to follow them. 

Is there a NPC agreement?  I swear I did not ever see that.  I was a member for two years.  I missed that one

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #614 on: April 15, 2008, 04:14:40 PM »


Obviously, I'm important or otherwise so many people would not have responded to this thread or any one that I place up. 

I also do not have a personal need to be important nor keep myself amused.  I own and operate a successful online health and fitness business and train a lot of people. 

In other words, I have a job Tim...... ::)

HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHA!  Man the shit that comes out of your mouth is fucking hilarious.  You just don't get it.  You are truly that stupid aren't you.  Thank god you are gay.  It is embarrassing having you part of the male race.  Thank god you will never fuck a girl and have kids.  Cause I swear that would be the worse thing you could do.  To have a kid have to say they are related to you would be hell.  Already I bet you anything your family is so embarrassed by you it is sad.  Queer Vissy must be on huge idiot too.  I mean how blind and desperate do you have to be to be around you more than a minute.  Is Vissy retarded Vince.  He has to be.  Something mentally is wrong with him.  No way could a half-way normal guy like you.  Already NO girls like you.  Tell us more about your retarded gay lover Vissy.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #615 on: April 15, 2008, 04:17:39 PM »
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHA!  Man the shit that comes out of your mouth is fucking hilarious.  You just don't get it.  You are truly that stupid aren't you.  Thank god you are gay.  It is embarrassing having you part of the male race.  Thank god you will never fuck a girl and have kids.  Cause I swear that would be the worse thing you could do.  To have a kid have to say they are related to you would be hell.  Already I bet you anything your family is so embarrassed by you it is sad.  Queer Vissy must be on huge idiot too.  I mean how blind and desperate do you have to be to be around you more than a minute.  Is Vissy retarded Vince.  He has to be.  Something mentally is wrong with him.  No way could a half-way normal guy like you.  Already NO girls like you.  Tell us more about your retarded gay lover Vissy.


Only your fat ass would be low enough to go after people's friends and family.
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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #616 on: April 15, 2008, 04:20:05 PM »
Maybe QueenVissy and Melvin Goodrum met at a retard meet.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #617 on: April 15, 2008, 05:19:04 PM »
Vintage Vince G for sure. This dude entertains like no one else. Internet legend, hero and fearless reporter.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #618 on: April 15, 2008, 05:30:42 PM »
Is he an NPC competitor???Wow the standard is high in that org.No wonder they want to keep their athletes in line and not allow them to compete in other shows. ::)

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #619 on: April 15, 2008, 05:43:32 PM »
I see both sides of the fence regarding this interesting topic and have to admit that I've never seen any amateur sign any agreement other than what is stated on a contest entry form or on the back of a current NPC membership card.

And I am sorry that I don't have either of those in my possession at present.



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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #620 on: April 15, 2008, 11:41:33 PM »
I say bring back the days when bodybuilders could enter any and all shows. You would show up, fill in a form, join whatever was necessary, pay the fee and you were in.


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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #621 on: April 16, 2008, 01:50:24 AM »

Only your fat ass would be low enough to go after people's friends and family.

What do you mean.  You don't have either.  Hope this helps.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #622 on: April 16, 2008, 09:45:33 AM »
Vince says, "I say bring back the days when bodybuilders could enter any and all shows. You would show up, fill in a form, join whatever was necessary, pay the fee and you were in."

That still applies today, Vince. As you well know, Amateurs can still enter any show they want to providing that they are aware of the present definition of the word "amateur"  and  that one cannot retain his/her amateur status if one compete in a contest that offers a cash award or an award of value.

The actual definition of "amateur" was even stricter in your days as you may or may not recall.

But even then, it was impossible to keep track of any athlete who crossed the line.

And if someone did compete in "pro" contest, no one usually ever complained about or even questioned his amateur standing unless that individual was one of the top contenders.

ANd let me reaffirm that NPC athletes have in fact been banned from entering NPC events for up to a one year period as a result of competing in a contest for a cash award or an award that could be easily converted into cash.

The REAL QUESTION here is - What is the definition of an "Amateur Athlete" within competitive bodybuilding.

The NPC states that an athlete is no longer an amateur bodybuilder if he enters a bodybuilding contest in which a "cash award" is offered. That athlete does not have to win. He simply has to enter and compete. Once he does so, he is no longer considered to be an amateur within the NPC.

So if he is no longer considered to be an "amateur", one would ASSUME that he is a professional. But such a "professional" is not recognized as such within the IFBB and possibly not even recognized as a pro in any other bodybuilding sanctioning body.

So he's kind of in a place called Limbo.

The Big Question behind this real question is - Would a court of law agree or disagree with the NPC's definition/viewpoint of an amateur bodybuilding athlete?

My personal feeling is that there has to be a distinction between amateurs and athletes, and the definition we are presently adhering to has worked since the early days of the AAU (and possibly even before the AAU) - Compete for cash and you are no longer an amateur. It's a simple way to maintain this distinction, but the problem of "control" always arises.

"Control" means witch-hunt tactics tracking down the "culprits" who bend the rules. And that's damn near impossible within a small organization unless complaints are signed, sealed and delivered to the proper authority who reacts and takes the appropriate action.

And for your information appropriate action WAS taken with one-year suspensions in two separate cases that I have been party to. And even though we are not aware of who these "culprits" may be, I am sure that there have been many other "appropriate actions" taken in the past.

Sure there have been many similar cases that have been overlooked and never brought to anyones attention for a good number of reasons. I can't think of any organization that doesn't have a similar in-house problem.

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #623 on: April 16, 2008, 09:57:12 AM »

This is officially a 'stupid thread'.

Tim Fogarty is exempt. 

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Re: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved
« Reply #624 on: April 16, 2008, 11:40:31 AM »
what good it does.  It's brought in less than $50 in the last six months, even though I provide a valuable service to the bodybuilding community (and receiving 2300 unique visitors a day).

I easily put in 60 hours of work a week.  just not getting paid for too much of it.  that's my choice


Exactly, you're a smart guy Tim and you shouldn't be in this position to where you HAVE to beg for donations.  A few Google ads or Clickbank links wouldn't hurt your website and you would be able to make a living doing the same thing you're doing right now.

If I can do that, then you can too.  And I don't even put in 20 hours with my business
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