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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2008, 08:18:50 PM »

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #76 on: March 29, 2008, 08:28:05 PM »
Don't blame you.  My wife stayed home making and raising babies for a long time. 

What's more important Beach Bum, the Bible or the US Constitution?
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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #77 on: March 29, 2008, 08:31:03 PM »
What's more important Beach Bum, the Bible or the US Constitution?


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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #78 on: March 29, 2008, 08:31:34 PM »
Of course it's done.  I know plenty of families with full-time Moms.  The quality of life and our standard of living is clearly better today than the 1960s, particularly for women and minorities.   



I bet there is study on thins somewhere to definitively say so either way.


I do know however, that if the average income in California per person is 40k they would be hell bent to make it.

Decent 2 room apartment = $1200-1500
Decent 3 bedroom house = $1800-2000
Health care for a family of 4 = $800


That doesn't leave much  for food, gas, clothes, car payments etc...

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2008, 08:32:05 PM »


That's actually pretty funny although I'm not trying to take sides here................... ;D

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2008, 08:36:51 PM »
I bet there is study on thins somewhere to definitively say so either way.


I do know however, that if the average income in California per person is 40k they would be hell bent to make it.

Decent 2 room apartment = $1200-1500
Decent 3 bedroom house = $1800-2000
Health care for a family of 4 = $800


That doesn't leave much  for food, gas, clothes, car payments etc...

True, although you're talking about California with its high cost of living.  What about less expensive places to live?  I would imagine it was far more expensive to live in a big cities in the 1960s too.

And yes people tend to make less money in less expensive cities. 

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2008, 08:41:01 PM »
True, although you're talking about California with its high cost of living.  What about less expensive places to live?  I would imagine it was far more expensive to live in a big cities in the 1960s too.

And yes people tend to make less money in less expensive cities. 


that's why i think there is study about this somewhere out there.

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2008, 09:15:02 PM »
What's more important, the Bible or the US Constitution?

This is a good question. Would be interesting to see the answers.

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2008, 12:22:59 AM »


oooooh. I'm stealing that graphic!  ;D
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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2008, 12:30:30 AM »
True, although you're talking about California with its high cost of living.  What about less expensive places to live?  I would imagine it was far more expensive to live in a big cities in the 1960s too.

And yes people tend to make less money in less expensive cities. 


Sometimes these less expensive places to live, do not also have the jobs people need.
If you're a silicon valley IT expert, you might have to live in San Fran, ...'cause Hicksville only needs farmers.
Now if he were a network marketing professional, ...he'd have no grounds whatsoever to complain.
He'd have the ability to earn Silicon Valley IT expert income, while enjoying Hicksville type living expenses,
...and all those years of hard work wouldn't be flushed away. He'd simply build upon the foundation already layed.
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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2008, 12:37:14 AM »
This is a good question. Would be interesting to see the answers.

Just ask Professor Beach Bum!  ::)
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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #86 on: March 30, 2008, 01:34:36 AM »
Sometimes these less expensive places to live, do not also have the jobs people need.
If you're a silicon valley IT expert, you might have to live in San Fran, ...'cause Hicksville only needs farmers.
Now if he were a network marketing professional, ...he'd have no grounds whatsoever to complain.
He'd have the ability to earn Silicon Valley IT expert income, while enjoying Hicksville type living expenses,
...and all those years of hard work wouldn't be flushed away. He'd simply build upon the foundation already layed.

"And yes people tend to make less money in less expensive cities."

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #87 on: March 30, 2008, 02:47:49 AM »
"And yes people tend to make less money in less expensive cities."

My friend Earl went from "living in a mansion on the hill, ...to a trailer house on a dirt road,
...not a blacktop road within miles", and he often poses the following question to people, ...

Q: "Do you know the difference between a $4000 /mth house payment, vs a $400 /mth payment?"

Do you know what the answer is (which I tend to believe)? Well, according to Earl:

A: "Nothing! There's NO difference at all between the two if you haven't got the $400"

So an argument that people can move to less expensive areas despite the fact that they tend to make less is a ridiculous one imo. If the mortgage is breaking your back, ...how willing would you be to move your family to a less expensive place next to the neighborhood crack house? I think most would continue to bare the crushing load for as long as they could until they collapsed under the weight.

If you ever get a chance to sit down and talk with Earl in person, jump at it. This is a man with much life experience who's been kicked down, had the wind knocked out of him, and been pitched so many curve balls sooo many times, ...yet through everything, he just picks himself up, dusts himself off, and moves forward.

He's such an inspiration, ...and one-on-one, he'll make you wet your pants with laughter.
He's a unique combination of laser-like intensity & Jeff Foxworthy earthiness rolled into one.
You can hear him tell his story in his own words here (It's the 6th video down the right).

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2008, 04:30:07 AM »
My friend Earl went from "living in a mansion on the hill, ...to a trailer house on a dirt road,
...not a blacktop road within miles", and he often poses the following question to people, ...

Q: "Do you know the difference between a $4000 /mth house payment, vs a $400 /mth payment?"

Do you know what the answer is (which I tend to believe)? Well, according to Earl:

A: "Nothing! There's NO difference at all between the two if you haven't got the $400"

So an argument that people can move to less expensive areas despite the fact that they tend to make less is a ridiculous one imo. If the mortgage is breaking your back, ...how willing would you be to move your family to a less expensive place next to the neighborhood crack house? I think most would continue to bare the crushing load for as long as they could until they collapsed under the weight.

If you ever get a chance to sit down and talk with Earl in person, jump at it. This is a man with much life experience who's been kicked down, had the wind knocked out of him, and been pitched so many curve balls sooo many times, ...yet through everything, he just picks himself up, dusts himself off, and moves forward.

He's such an inspiration, ...and one-on-one, he'll make you wet your pants with laughter.
He's a unique combination of laser-like intensity & Jeff Foxworthy earthiness rolled into one.
You can hear him tell his story in his own words here (It's the 6th video down the right).



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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #89 on: March 30, 2008, 04:52:29 AM »
As usual... is takes an overbearing Canadian to explain the "E pleb nista" to those who inherited it!  ;D

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #90 on: March 30, 2008, 07:17:07 AM »

I give up.

Now you know why the call it "the dumb down of America". It's the prerequisite to a police state: People who question nothing while the economic benefits are funneled to a minority and the majority are given the economic burden (deficit).

It's all in the books.

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #91 on: March 30, 2008, 07:20:21 AM »
Of course it's done.  I know plenty of families with full-time Moms.  The quality of life and our standard of living is clearly better today than the 1960s, particularly for women and minorities.   



I ain't talking about social issues. That's an entirely different subject. I'm talking about the most important factor in our quasi-capitalistic society: MONEY. Need I say more?

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #92 on: March 30, 2008, 07:27:20 AM »
Well considering it was based on the principles of Locke, and work of Machiavelli I say it still stands as one of the most important pieces of paper in world history, more countries have adopted the outline of our constitution than any other philosopher or other governmental document combined.

Well considering the constitution itself took inspiration from English common law which in turn was built from the Magna Carta I would have to disagree and say the Magna Carta holds this position.
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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #93 on: March 30, 2008, 08:11:07 PM »

americans are slowing having their rights and freedoms as guaranteed by the constitution taken away in such a way as to not alarm the majority of the populace that it is indeed happening.

not only civil liberties, but the visions of what the founding fathers invisoned for the country and the populace who they sought to protect by drafting the document.

take, for example, your forefathers wanting to protect you from such things as income taxes and a federal reserve, which you were up until the great depression.

now you have the maufacturing (or not- the point of this post is not to start discussion on the conspirices surrounding 9/11) the events of 9/11, and the preaching of terror and fear 24 hours a day by the american news agencies, which will only make it easier to usurp further freedoms from the population when the time comes under the guise of 'protecting' you from domestic terrorism.

my question to you is, as i imagine the most of you posting here are american, do the majority of you not see what is going on, or do you just not care?
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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #94 on: March 30, 2008, 08:49:09 PM »
americans are slowing having their rights and freedoms as guaranteed by the constitution taken away in such a way as to not alarm the majority of the populace that it is indeed happening.

not only civil liberties, but the visions of what the founding fathers invisoned for the country and the populace who they sought to protect by drafting the document.

take, for example, your forefathers wanting to protect you from such things as income taxes and a federal reserve, which you were up until the great depression.

now you have the maufacturing (or not- the point of this post is not to start discussion on the conspirices surrounding 9/11) the events of 9/11, and the preaching of terror and fear 24 hours a day by the american news agencies, which will only make it easier to usurp further freedoms from the population when the time comes under the guise of 'protecting' you from domestic terrorism.

my question to you is, as i imagine the most of you posting here are american, do the majority of you not see what is going on, or do you just not care?



Amen.   Sadly i think most are blind sheep with total loyalty in the govt to protect them.  Probably 70% of americans will not realized theyve been raped of their rights gradually until its way to late.

Some of us are watching and sleeping with one eye open..... 8)

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #95 on: March 30, 2008, 09:24:04 PM »
americans are slowing having their rights and freedoms as guaranteed by the constitution taken away in such a way as to not alarm the majority of the populace that it is indeed happening.

not only civil liberties, but the visions of what the founding fathers invisoned for the country and the populace who they sought to protect by drafting the document.

take, for example, your forefathers wanting to protect you from such things as income taxes and a federal reserve, which you were up until the great depression.

now you have the maufacturing (or not- the point of this post is not to start discussion on the conspirices surrounding 9/11) the events of 9/11, and the preaching of terror and fear 24 hours a day by the american news agencies, which will only make it easier to usurp further freedoms from the population when the time comes under the guise of 'protecting' you from domestic terrorism.

my question to you is, as i imagine the most of you posting here are american, do the majority of you not see what is going on, or do you just not care?

I have wondered the very same question myself.

I will admit though, I have noticed a gradual shift in the past few years that I've been posting here.
The reality is beginning to sink in for many Americans, and many are actively seeking the America they believed in, the one they were taught as youngsters. While it never existed was perfectly clear for many of them, but for a great many more, they thought they had it. They're now realizing they didn't and what little they did have is quickly slipping away from them. Again we're seeing the same fear tactics being used, ...only this time, they've added another scary bogey man along with the other spooky bogeymen of 911. Now they're exploiting the fear many Americans have that a Black man is gonna "Kill Whitey"   ::)

Many of us outside the US were able to see the picture clear as day, it started with the firing of Bill Maher for expressing his own logically derived opinion, to the figurative lynching of the Dixie Chicks, and the all out assault on various high profile members of the entertainment community. But alas, those who forget their history, are often doomed to repeat it. For evil to triumph, all that is required is for good men to do nothing. The blue prints for their agenda are pretty clear, they've been in the public domain for years. All one has to do is recognize it and take action, ...or not.


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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #96 on: March 30, 2008, 11:53:36 PM »
Hugo Chavez, I'm still waiting for a reply from you.
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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #97 on: April 03, 2008, 01:58:56 AM »
Oh boy, we have to talk...

Hugo Chavez, I'm still waiting for a reply from you.


Again, "Hugo Chavez"/Berserker. I replied to you several times in this thread.

I am still waiting for one reply from you.
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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #98 on: April 03, 2008, 06:14:59 PM »



“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know?
For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”
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Great quote.

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Re: How important is the US Constitution?
« Reply #99 on: April 03, 2008, 10:28:34 PM »
take, for example, your forefathers wanting to protect you from such things as income taxes and a federal reserve, which you were up until the great depression.

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913, along with the Income Tax.  The great depression did not begin until the crash of 1929.

How were we protected from the Federal Reserve and Income tax up until the great depression, when in fact these changes were made before the great depression?

Too many conservatives use the terms "forefathers" and "founding fathers" without knowing what the hell they are talking about in terms of US history.