Racist topic again

[Tre]

hustleman.
to answer your question, I would say I'm borderline racist.

Your racism is borne of ignorance, not necessarily because you're a bad person. 

Then, there is the MAJORITY of black people, who are complete N-I-G-G-E-R-S.

This sounds like an argument from someone who 'learns' from TV. 

The reality is that the MAJORITY of Blacks are honest, hard-working taxpayers, but we're not the ones you have thrown at you on television all the time. 

I can honestly say, if there were ZERO black people in the united states, the country would be better.

You are incorrect...honestly.

One thing that many Whites like yourself either don't know or cannot comprehend is that most of the United States was built on the backs of unpaid slaves and underpaid immigrants.  We're all enjoying many of the fruits of that cheap labor source, but suffice it to say, the U.S. would not be where it is today - in terms of commercial success and opportunity - if not for those Blacks who provided the manpower necessary to fuel the machine.   

87% of government welfare programs (food stamps, housing, etc) is obtained by blacks.

79% of all violent crime in america is committed by blacks.

Please cite your source.  I cannot imagine any legitimate author or researcher being ignorant enough to publish such ridiculous claims. 

Every single city in the united states that is majority black is ranked amongst the ABSOLUTE worst in property value, foreclosures, crime, murder, etc.
Go to southeast dc, compton, vegas, etc. All places predominately black, and look at what shitholes they have turned into.

Stockton, CA is America's 'foreclosure capital'...that's a city where the White majority outnumbers Blacks approximately 5-to-1. 

Now, let me ask you a few serious questions:
What have black people ever contributed to society?

That's your idea of a 'serious question'? 

Have you ever seen a stoplight?  Have you ever heard of peanut butter? 

Why do blacks get a black entertainment television, black history month, etc?
Dont say the typical answer of "because every other channel is white, or... every other month is white"
Thats complete bullshit.

Well, what are they?

BTW, Black Entertainment Television is owned by Viacom, Inc.  I honestly don't know enough about the programming to say whether you're missing anything or not by viewing, though.   

[Hustle Man]

hustleman.
to answer your question, I would say I'm borderline racist.

I don't know if I would go that far and say you are a racist or even borderline. Maybe you are racially frustrated.

Let me explain:
First, I have black friends, black associates, and black acquantances, all of whom I respect
and generally like.

Good for you!

Then, there is the MAJORITY of black people, who are complete N-I-G-G-E-R-S.
I think this hat could be worn by anyone who does not pull their own weight or whom has become a burden on society.

I can honestly say, if there were ZERO black people in the united states, the country would be better.
Even your so called friends?

87% of government welfare programs (food stamps, housing, etc) is obtained by blacks.
Not true-Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:
Race
--------------
White    38.8%
Black    37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian     2.8
Other     3.4

79% of all violent crime in america is committed by blacks.
Untrue
Black 52.2%
White 45.8%
Other 2.0 %

Every single city in the united states that is majority black is ranked amongst the ABSOLUTE worst in property value, foreclosures, crime, murder, etc.
Go to southeast dc, compton, vegas, etc. All places predominately black, and look at what shitholes they have turned into.
I think you may have over simplified but I might agree with you in some areas. But I don't think it's because they are black. You have to look at the history of the city and see what changed. You must also take unto account if businesses depart so do jobs.

This certainly doesn't apply to some blacks, but unfortunately, until the 99% of black people change the way they act, the 1% who are great people get shit on.

Now, let me ask you a few serious questions:
What have black people ever contributed to society?
You should try to find out what every group has contributed and how some have been uncredited for their contributions. Please don't tell me you think this country was built only on the contributions of white America?

Why do blacks get a black entertainment television, black history month, etc?
I have no idea, I was not invited to that board meeting. As far as the month goes IMHO it just causes more problems.  But I will say this, the public schools should teach an all inclusive history but we all know that the majority doesn't care about what minorities have done that's why most of the kids coming out of today's schools don't know anything about notable non-caucasian contributors to society hence the reason you would even ask the question above about blacks contributing to American society.

Dont say the typical answer of "because every other channel is white, or... every other month is white"
Thats complete bullshit.
As white people, we have to have blacks in everything we do, every fucking ad we put out, so that some whistleblowing #### doesn't try to sue the corporation.
Wow maybe you are racists, you should chill guy I didn't realize you had so much hatred in your heart I thought maybe you were frustrated with the in equality in this country and how it affects everyone! Damn you really would prefer a white only America? And who is we I think the white people that run those ads hired those so called blacks to be in them in the first place. Maybe you should get angry with them not me or every so called black person in America.

I don't want to upset you any further.

All that hate in your heart is gonna kill you man.
I have never understood how one person could hate like this

if there were ZERO black people in the united states, the country would be better.

Caucasian people do no wrong in your eyes it seems. Well, sure hope the natives americans don't feel the same way about you.

A few questions for you since you like to blame groups:
Who introduced the following vices into American society?
Illegal Drugs
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food

Who caused the following societal woes?
The Great Depression
Taxation
Racism
Poverty
Welfare
Investment Fraud
Loss of jobs over seas
Inflated gas prices
Every great war (and I have fought in several)

I think once you find out who is culpable you might just re-think who you think brings this country down and how you group folks together just because of the skin they are in.

Didn't have time to proof read gotta go!

[Tre]

Illegal Drugs
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food

I would say, without a doubt, black people are the biggest participants in all of the above.

Alcohol? Check.
Tobacco? CHECK (esp newports)
Prostitution? Check, all black
Pornography? nothing is wrong with porn
Fast Food? Only black people eat.

Your welfare, crime in prison numbers are way off.

I sense that you're more interested in expressing bitterness than in learning facts or facing reality. 

[chaos]

You win!

One last thing, no one argued that racism is ignorance or that racist are ignorant but call racism cowardice and the thread catches on fire! Hmmmm!


Seems I am the minority everwhere I go!

It's not about winning or losing Hustle......it's about conversation.


Seems we have a new participant.....'Tre'.......


As Tre asked Crushing......HustleMan, can you site the sources for your statistics?

MattC posted some links awhile back to either the CIA or FBI data bases that distinctly showed that blacks commited more violent crimes......I didn't save the links.

[Hustle Man]

Illegal Drugs
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food

I would say, without a doubt, black people are the biggest participants in all of the above.

Alcohol? Check.
Tobacco? CHECK (esp newports)
Prostitution? Check, all black
Pornography? nothing is wrong with porn
Fast Food? Only black people eat.

Your welfare, crime in prison numbers are way off.

It is apparent you are uninformed and have been deceived by your emotions; which you should never trust because they are notoriously unreliable!

I see the problem, you have been misled and to the point that you are hurting inside!

You must feel powerless and betrayed by your leadership.

They lied to you, caused you to live vicariously through their heresies and damnable lies about the other man.

They made you think you are better simply by their evil deeds perpetuated throughout history.

Yours must be a life of bitterness and despair; mainly because you cannot control those whom you loathe, belittle and would love to cast away into outer darkness, what humiliation you must feel. I pity you!

C’est la vie!

[Hustle Man]

It's not about winning or losing Hustle......it's about conversation.


Seems we have a new participant.....'Tre'.......


As Tre asked Crushing......HustleMan, can you site the sources for your statistics?

MattC posted some links awhile back to either the CIA or FBI data bases that distinctly showed that blacks commited more violent crimes......I didn't save the links.

Yes it was the same site but my contention was that his numbers were wrong.

P.S. I am not in that number and numbers mean nothing especially when blacks are almost always misrepresented in a negative light.

This CushingRW would not even answer my questions correctly. Black people did not bring those vices into the states let's be real.

[Nordic Superman]

Hustle man, are you statistics ratio-corrected?

Welfare:
White    38.8%
Black    37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian     2.8
Other     3.4

Crime:
Black 52.2%
White 45.8%
Other 2.0 %

If not, then it still horrendous that 13% of the population (blacks) take 39% of the welfare and that 13% of the population commit 52% of the crime.

[Hustle Man]

Hustleman: are you really comparing
Illegal Drugs: black people were the original importers of marijuana, and the creators of crack.
Alcohol
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food

To:
Ruining ENTIRE cities
Taking up nearly all the space at local, state, and federal prisons
Robbing, stabbing, killing, and raping, all at almost twice the level of whites

your ignorant ass comparison of saying white people
Drink
Smoke
Watch porn
and eat fast food

is like me comparing the little things the majority of black people do:
complain if service isn't absolutely perfect at any establishment, sometimes even over amounts as small as cents
majority are loud, dont bother to get an education, or speak proper english
believe that they shouldn't be treated equal, they want to be given special rights


The point is, I was not racist at all in my life, until I got older, and older, and saw how many black people believe that they are
better than white people. Which probably includes you. I'm all about racial EQUALITY, and a "colorblind" society.  I am not going
to sit silent when on a daily basis, I see blacks acting as if they deserve preferntial treatment.

As for your argument about "this country was built on the backs of slaves"... Crime was lower then, and the economic situation better.  You've just made a great argument. Instead of letting your type live in our country, we shoudl still have you building it.  The ONLY thing
black people in american (the majority, not all) prove on a daily basis, is that they never should've been let free.

Look at Richmond, Va, or Washington, DC. Both very prosperous cities, with high income, and VERY VERY low crime.  As the years passed, and the black population increased, income went down, and crime SKYROCKETED.  Now, there are literally parts of these cities that you could not walk through at night without likely being shot, or have your ass beat.  Please explain why whites cause this?

Please find my comments in this thread and quote me on the following:

I never said...

this country was built on the backs of slaves

I never made a comparison about...

...white people
Drink
Smoke
Watch porn
and eat fast food

Again you twisted the QUESTION I asked you, let me restate.

A few questions for you since you like to blame groups:
Who introduced the following vices into American society?
Illegal Drugs
Alcohol  
Tobacco
Prostitution
Pornography
Fast Food

Who caused the following societal woes?
The Great Depression
Taxation
Racism
Poverty
Welfare
Investment Fraud
Loss of jobs over seas
Inflated gas prices
Every great war (and I have fought in several)

Let's see if you can answer this properly this time.

HM's retort: Blacks are not responsible for the introduction of these vices that plague the USA today e.g. (Alcohol, Heroin, cocaine/crack or marijuana) I can't believe you said this lol you are reaching.

You ever heard of chicken's coming home to roost?

I know you would like to blame America's problems on Blacks but who has been in charge of the USA since it's birth?

FYI, I don't think I am better than anyone.

You need to get a refresher and understand the history of this country. You fail to realize that the inequalities (social, ethnic, racial and economic) and inhumanities practiced in early years of this country directly affect what is happening today. If you see someone strong out on crack blame those that introduced the drug. If you see immorality blame those that fought against morality i.e., (Taking God out of the schools or changing parental rights to discipline their children.) etc.

HMIC

[Hustle Man]

Hustle man, are you statistics ratio-corrected?

Welfare:
White    38.8%
Black    37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian     2.8
Other     3.4

Crime:
Black 52.2%
White 45.8%
Other 2.0 %

If not, then it still horrendous that 13% of the population (blacks) take 39% of the welfare and that 13% of the population commit 52% of the crime.

Nordic, should I be held responsible for the actions of some, should I be judged because of a few? I don't know what you want from me really! What do you want from me?

Should I blame you for what Dalmer, Bundy, McVey, Ted K  or Hitler did ? NO! That was their evil not yours why can't people judge individuals? Do you folk forget that I could also be a victim of those crimes commited? I say Judge me for me I will even go as far as saying judge my families actions, hold me responsible for any of my children's wrong doings but don't judge me because a couple of assholes play sniper or slits his ex wife's and lover's throat.

This guy CushingRW wants to get rid of all so called black people, is that right?

How would one determine if someone is one of these so called Blacks or or not?

Tell me I am wrong about what I have said, tell me I should pay for the sins of everyone whom you deem to be in my ethnic group and I will leave GetBig for good!


HMIC

[Tre]

If not, then it still horrendous that 13% of the population (blacks) take 39% of the welfare and that 13% of the population commit 52% of the crime.

The portions that are lies are in bold text.

[chaos]

The portions that are lies are in bold text.

What are the correct #'s?


HustleMan.......relax bro, nobody is holding you responsible...........ye t.


Just trying to have a pleasant convo here about a touchy subject.

[Tre]

[Weez]

HMIC

Hustle Man In Control


Damn you got problems......

[Nordic Superman]

Nordic, should I be held responsible for the actions of some, should I be judged because of a few? I don't know what you want from me really! What do you want from me?

Woah, calm down comrade, I was asking you a question.

Then I made, the statement that it's horrendous if those facts are true. Something needs to be done of course, education and cultural improvements will get rid of 99.9% of these issues.

[The ChemistV2]

Woah, calm down comrade, I was asking you a question.

Then I made, the statement that it's horrendous if those facts are true. Something needs to be done of course, education and cultural improvements will get rid of 99.9% of these issues.

How do you educate people who refuse to study because they believe it's "Acting White?"

[Nordic Superman]

How do you educate people who refuse to study because they believe it's "Acting White?"

No idea

[Hustle Man]

Hustle Man In Control


Damn you got problems......

Correction, HMIC= Hustle Man In Christ

[Hustle Man]

Woah, calm down comrade, I was asking you a question.

Then I made, the statement that it's horrendous if those facts are true. Something needs to be done of course, education and cultural improvements will get rid of 99.9% of these issues.

I am calm, my retort was aimed at the racial generalizations posted in this thread.

The finger is always pointed (in general at black people) for the woes of this country  even something as silly as this;

Ruining ENTIRE cities

Taking up nearly all the space at local, state, and federal prisons

How silly does that sound?

Robbing, stabbing, killing, and raping, all at almost twice the level of whites

Another silly assessment, never considering that the Robbing, stabbing, killing, and raping still exists no matter who commits the crimes.

Someone explain his reasoning here?

He almost sounds as if he is okay with the crimes being commited, he seems to be pissed that some black people are the perps!
I think the focus (on preventing crimes) should be on the individual not a group.

How do you educate people who refuse to study because they believe it's "Acting White?"

You have been hanging out with the wrong people my friend and what does that mean anyway "Acting White" or even acting black, that is very silly?

[The ChemistV2]

  You have been hanging out with the wrong people my friend and what does that mean anyway "Acting White" or even acting black, that is very silly?




[/quote]

Along with numerous media sources, and my ex-wife, a schoolteacher, who is one of the most nonpredjudiced people I know. Black students have been known to say that getting good grades, getting an education, having a non-criminal oriented career is "Acting White." If you've never heard that yourself, then you are out of touch with modern day highschools, which nobody has touched on as far as the learning and graduation disparities. These aren't bigoted remarks and I wish so-called leaders like Al Sharpton would spend their time constructively, lecturing on the importance of education, avoiding crime, etc. instead of trying to crucify some idiot that used the N- word. All Sharpton does is try to find "Victims" instead of finding "Role Models".

[chaos]

I am calm, my retort was aimed at the racial generalizations posted in this thread.

The finger is always pointed (in general at black people) for the woes of this country  even something as silly as this;  How silly does that sound? Another silly assessment, never considering that the Robbing, stabbing, killing, and raping still exists no matter who commits the crimes.

Someone explain his reasoning here?

He almost sounds as if he is okay with the crimes being commited, he seems to be pissed that some black people are the perps!
I think the focus (on preventing crimes) should be on the individual not a group.
 You have been hanging out with the wrong people my friend and what does that mean anyway "Acting White" or even acting black, that is very silly?

HustleMan, you said earlier in this convo that you traveled alot and got to see the world when you were younger. Did you ever spend some time in the ghetto in LA or any major city? By asking what it means to "act white" shows that you are far disassociated from the problems experienced by blacks. Which is good for you and your family. As I've said, it sounds like you are doing right by your family to teach them right/wrong. But I can see in your posts that you don't understand the "minorities" we are talking about.

It's been real.....


Hey "Tre", do you have an answer about those #'s you said were incorrect? Also, do you know what it means to "act white"?

[Tre]

Hey "Tre", do you have an answer about those #'s you said were incorrect? Also, do you know what it means to "act white"?

I'll have to track down some more recent data.  The only ones I know for certain are the population demographics and foreclosure rates in Stockton.  It's a very White city and leads the nation in foreclosures.

Unfortunately, there is validity to TheChemist's statement about Black kids - both urban and suburban - teasing one another about 'acting White' when they did things like study and strive to achieve in school.  I saw it 25 years ago when I was in school in a small, Southern town, then 10 years ago when I taught at an all-Black school in Washington, DC.  Sure, it was a decade ago, but that was one of the most horrifying, eye-opening experiences of my life.  It was if all the negative stereotypes about Blacks had collected in one place and were being thrust in my face daily. 

But make no mistake - what I saw in DC is a problem for ALL Americans...not just those with black or brown skin.

[Hustle Man]

HustleMan, you said earlier in this convo that you traveled alot and got to see the world when you were younger. Did you ever spend some time in the ghetto in LA or any major city? By asking what it means to "act white" shows that you are far disassociated from the problems experienced by blacks. Which is good for you and your family. As I've said, it sounds like you are doing right by your family to teach them right/wrong. But I can see in your posts that you don't understand the "minorities" we are talking about.

It's been real.....


Hey "Tre", do you have an answer about those #'s you said were incorrect? Also, do you know what it means to "act white"?

Chaos,

I grew up in the heart of the city (on the west of Detroit, Mi.) yes I have heard that said before but what I meant was that's silly  to say something like that.

Have you taken into consideration (and those that think like you about minorities) that ignorance is a learned handicap it is not race specific?

OK check this out. My parents sent me away to my Grand's farm every summer when I was a kid. You probably know that in the city (Ghetto) the freaks really come out in the summer time and mischief is on full blast. My parents pulled me out of that environment so I guess my point is I learned a different way to live while I was away. I helped farm the land (harvesting corn, picking fruits and vegetables to seel in the open farmers markets) I was not influenced to participate in mischief. Having said that I understood why my friends in the city did some of the things they did ( they pretty much had no guidelines to follow and were not under in type of supervision. I was different because I have rules to obey I had boudaries to stay within.

I went to a private school during the tween and teenage years of my life.
I was exposed to many things kids in my neighborhood never experienced e.g, peace and quiet, intelligent discussions by the open fire, riding horses, tending to the farm etc.
I was reading in the evening before bedtime I had not cableTV or video games I was talk to use my imagination for entertainment.
I can only assume that my friends back in the city were left to the drama of the streets, no guidance and probably wrong role models to look up to.
I don't think I am better than them or anyone else.
I just think I had opportunities to use my brain and my time constructively.

I could say more on this but I think you get the gist.
It's all about how you were trained or how you are not trained.
I was always taught a work ethic, to have a sense of family ( having dinner together every night), obey the rules (not circumvent illegally) etc.
What I am saying is those that you find going against the grain went against the grain because they were not taught properly, not because they are black, white or any other ehtnicity.

I think if everyone (African Americans, Caucasian Americans, Latino/Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans and Native Americans) was given the same educational resources, a sense of self-respect and Identity this country would be in better shape racially anyway.

Take a step back and ask yourself; Why did I not fall into those diverse criminal situations like those that have?
I have 5 brothers and 2 sisters who experienced the same life I was afforded but one has been in and out of jail his entire life! Why is that?
Is it because he is black and the rest of us are not?

Some stats for you
Out of 6 boys and 2 girls this is how we turned out
4 of the 8 went to college
5 of the 8 joined the military ( 1 USMC 2 Navy 1 Army and 1 USCG)

Everyone has atleast some college but we dispersed into society this way:
1 went to the army and an auto factory worker (deceased)
1 is a disabled vietnam vet (Loss a limb during The Tet Off and currently protesting wars in his spare time)
1 is a Chemist (designing insect repellants for humans, pets, lawn and gardens)
1 is a Corporate Lawyer (coca cola & the Georgia Lottery) Also a disabled vet)
1 is a Business owner (Own a chain of Restaurants and Night clubs)
1 is in the Aerospace industry (Disabled Vet)
1 took up a life of crime (currently incarcerated)
1 a home maker and student (2 kids; 1 has already graduated from college the other going to college in the summer)

All that to say it's the individual not the group! This is the make up of an American family; some went straight, some went astray!

HMIC

[chaos]

HuslteMan, sounds like you are the minority of the minority.


Tre, I know it's a problem for all Americans, not just minorities, but doesn't it seem prevelant within minorities? The whole "acting like a thug" just to be accepted? Don't get me wrong, those little "wigger" bastards piss me off as well.

Hustle, you say it's because they were not taught properly....so how do you stop the cycle? The criminal father and drug addict mother have the 'gangsta' kid and the cycle goes all around........how do we stop it?

[Geo]

HuslteMan, sounds like you are the minority of the minority.


Tre, I know it's a problem for all Americans, not just minorities, but doesn't it seem prevelant within minorities? The whole "acting like a thug" just to be accepted? Don't get me wrong, those little "wigger" bastards piss me off as well.

Hustle, you say it's because they were not taught properly....so how do you stop the cycle? The criminal father and drug addict mother have the 'gangsta' kid and the cycle goes all around........how do we stop it?

why the change of heart ?

some sort of revelation ?

seems to me not more than 6 months ago I either had to delete or tell you to hold down YOUR rascist remarks on the x board...


can't have it both ways

[chaos]

why the change of heart ?

some sort of revelation ?

seems to me not more than 6 months ago I either had to delete or tell you to hold down YOUR rascist remarks on the x board...


can't have it both ways

STFU, cracker.

Who says I've changed? I'm trying to have a civil discussion, doesn't mean I'm going to go out and have halfbreed babies. Don't fuck it up.