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Author Topic: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?  (Read 9731 times)
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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2008, 02:04:20 PM »

Coleman took steroids.
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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2008, 02:05:55 PM »

of course Dorian, his mentality and focus toward training was like 100%,
while Ronnie trained hard but he was still having a bit of fun in between sets
Ronnie was better on the more basic lifts . Dorian was more mahcine like overall.
Hard to say who really did train "harder", both were classic hardcore , no frills style of trainers.
I have both the Coleman "That's Incredible " and Yates " Blood and Guts training videos.
Ronnies 2 resp with 800 along with all the incredible barbell lifting is incredible.
But for pure training value I would say Yates was more effective.
Most normal guys would get injured or NOT grow as much traing like Ronnie did with the loose form and heavy basic moves. Yates style is something ANYONE could use and make gains.

Arnold had the best overall form however , as seen in Pumping Iron.
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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2008, 02:29:42 PM »

Dorian

Much better form and never cheated on a rep yet alone a whole set.
He also never took anytime off (perhaps 2 weeks at most), Ronnie on the other hand took months off in the year.
Just because Ronnie was stronger dosent mean he had more intensity than Dorian
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2008, 02:52:41 PM »

Ronnie.

Dorian never approached the poundages Ronnie handled.

So if the are both 5'10" and 300 lbs , the guy lifting the MUCH heavier weights is obviously working harder.

Dorian's heavy set was Ronnie's warmup  Doz was a pussy in the gym, making noises while lifting baby weights.

Dorian was shoulder pressing the 150s for reps and was able to bench over 500lbs back in 91/92. Ronnie did the 160s weighing probably about 50lbs more in 2003. Dorian was barbell rowing 455 before the biceps tear with perfect form. Go in the gym and row a weight up with no swing or momentum. Coleman had stronger legs, I think Dorian was stronger on upper body.
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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2008, 03:09:39 PM »

dorian wins by the most votes in this thread and goes through to the next round!!!
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« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2008, 03:28:04 PM »

Dorian was shoulder pressing the 150s for reps and was able to bench over 500lbs back in 91/92. Ronnie did the 160s weighing probably about 50lbs more in 2003. Dorian was barbell rowing 455 before the biceps tear with perfect form. Go in the gym and row a weight up with no swing or momentum. Coleman had stronger legs, I think Dorian was stronger on upper body.

Dude, I respect Dorian and all but NOBODY on the planet is rowing 455 with perfect form. that's a fucking fairy tale.
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« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2008, 03:46:25 PM »

Honestly on most back exercises it is more beneficial to cheat a little than to use "perfect" form.
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« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2008, 03:48:23 PM »

Dude, I respect Dorian and all but NOBODY on the planet is rowing 455 with perfect form. that's a fucking fairy tale.
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« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2008, 04:19:08 PM »

Robby Robinson Smiley

Frankly, the guy trains as hard at 61 as he did at 31

Bullshit-I have seen RR train at Gold's Venice and there is no fucking way he trains like he used to.
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« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2008, 05:09:19 PM »

Robby couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag.

I'd say maybe they are even....
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« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2008, 05:13:15 PM »

Bullshit-I have seen RR train at Gold's Venice and there is no fucking way he trains like he used to.

To elucidate:

Robby still trains as hard as he did 30 years ago.

However, being 30 years older, the outcomes of his efforts, or energy output...however you want to put it, is significantly less due to age.

In his mind, his effort is commensurate with many years ago. The actual outcome is that he cannot do as much weight, endurance is less, etc. 
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« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2008, 05:15:50 PM »

Dorain trained harder than Ronnie without a fucking shadow of a doubt.

Heavier weights don't equal higher intensity. Ronnie's form on some exercises was abysmal.

No one trains you harder than Leroy Davis - I've seen it first hand.


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« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2008, 05:34:31 PM »

We are debating which multi-Olympia winner trained the hardest......interesting to note both trained at what most of us would consider the shittiest, dirtiest, poorly equipped gyms we have ever seen.... I was shocked when I saw their training videos.......go figure........Old Skool training: Lift WEIGHTS to get big!
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« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2008, 06:12:15 PM »

dorian's training caused him to suffer major muscle tears very early on in his olympia career (94).

Ronnie didn't start to do damage until his 40's.

Ronnie not only trained harder, he trained more effectively since he didn't tear the shit of his body until he was entering the twilight of his career, unlike dorian who only won two titles before he became the one armed bandit Kiss.




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« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2008, 07:22:36 PM »

To elucidate:

Robby still trains as hard as he did 30 years ago.

However, being 30 years older, the outcomes of his efforts, or energy output...however you want to put it, is significantly less due to age.

In his mind, his effort is commensurate with many years ago. The actual outcome is that he cannot do as much weight, endurance is less, etc. 

No way, he MUST have trained harder in the 70's....
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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2008, 08:42:36 PM »

of u let Dorian who was in blood and guts train with Ronnie int he unbelievable, dorian would have quit after the warm up sets (his max poundage)

no way could dorian keep up with ronnie's pace, poundages and volume

Ronnie easily trained the hardest

intensity is not your training partner yelling and screaming @ you

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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2008, 08:46:20 PM »

Huh

dorian trained like a fuckin animal

but ronnie trained pretty hard himself

i cant decide


They both had a ton of injuries though!! They nearly died for you bitches!!
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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2008, 08:48:16 PM »

Dorian trained harder, but I think Ronnie ended up  getting more out of the training... Just in the overall look ('99 or '01)
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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2008, 11:33:09 PM »

Dorian trained harder, but I think Ronnie ended up  getting more out of the training... Just in the overall look ('99 or '01)
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« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2008, 11:35:56 PM »

no

Well, one of them has more Sandows than the other... So, I'd say he got more out of the training... plus, he signed the largest deal in BB endorsements at one time.

How did Dorian get more out of training than Ronnie did?
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« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2008, 11:42:31 PM »

Coleman took steroids.

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« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2008, 11:58:42 PM »

dorian used perfect form and never cheated?

what about those bent over rows that were so vertical they looked like shrugs Roll Eyes

you want bent over row look at ronnie. Cool
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« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2008, 12:03:07 AM »

i think that it is funny dorain was the one that uesd stirict form and got all the injuries. Roonie used form that pretty bad at some points, but never got hurt
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« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2008, 02:16:30 AM »

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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2008, 02:33:00 AM »

Neither could keep up with TOM PLATZ   -   Agreed?
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