Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?

[m8]

notice how he's standing next to two women?

E

It's Craig Titus, what did you expect?

[New Hank Wood]

Craig was all class.  He loved to tell the story about making a ho eat the shit right off his dick.

[BayGBM]

What do we have here?  Why it's another bodybuilder in daisy dukes! 

[New Hank Wood]

You want gay, you got gay!

[dr.chimps]

only a gay man would look at those covers and think they are gay

at least you aren't in denial like so many here, bay

when i read bodybuilding magazines i used to leave them on my coffee table, i have had very few friends that like bodybuilding
and nobody ever mentioned the word "gay" 

that's because my friends are straight and have no doubts about their sexuality

E

Just found this thread and, uh no, Earl, you're wrong. Bay is correct except his argument is lacking. What he should have used was one based on aesthetic criteria. Just as Art Deco or French Impressionism can be defined by artistic characteristics which define said aesthetic, so can (some - I don't share his view that it is all) BBing. The Chickster frequently uses the 'you see what you want to see' argument, particularly when defending his own pics, and I have to laugh. It is a spurious one. The one pic that gets me chucking the most is the 'army' one where he's got a huge length of chain over his shoulder. Not gay? Hmm. Well, it has all the criteria of homoeroticism, but whatever you say Chick.     

/straight 

[bigdumbbell]

Just found this thread and, uh no, Earl, you're wrong. Bay is correct except his argument is lacking. What he should have used was one based on aesthetic criteria. Just as Art Deco or French Impressionism can be defined by characteristics which define said aesthetic, so can (some - I don't share his view that it is all) BBing. The Chickster frequently uses the 'you see what you want to see' argument, particularly when defending his own pics, and I have to laugh. It is a spurious one. The one pic that gets me chucking the most is the 'army' one where he's got a huge length of chain over his shoulder. Not gay? Hmm. Well, it has all the criteria of homoeroticism, but whatever you say Chick.     

/straight 

that is a great(funny) shot   lol

[New Hank Wood]

The gay lobbyists have taken over the sport and nobody seems to care!

[Earl1972]

Just found this thread and, uh no, Earl, you're wrong. Bay is correct except his argument is lacking. What he should have used was one based on aesthetic criteria. Just as Art Deco or French Impressionism can be defined by artistic characteristics which define said aesthetic, so can (some - I don't share his view that it is all) BBing. The Chickster frequently uses the 'you see what you want to see' argument, particularly when defending his own pics, and I have to laugh. It is a spurious one. The one pic that gets me chucking the most is the 'army' one where he's got a huge length of chain over his shoulder. Not gay? Hmm. Well, it has all the criteria of homoeroticism, but whatever you say Chick.     

/straight 

well when i look at that pic of bob, sexual thoughts DO NOT enter my mind

apparently they enter yours

E

[Howard]

The gay lobbyists have taken over the sport and nobody seems to care!

I don't have any idea what you mean?

[bigdumbbell]

I don't have any idea what you mean?

nice video, is that pro-bodybuilding?

[Howard]

nice video, is that pro-bodybuilding?

No but it is por qualifier posedown , I think.
On a serious note, I remain a fan of bodybuilding and could care less if some gaye crap happens on the side.

[New Hank Wood]

Dorian loved to parade around in a pair of daisy dukes.  Of course he was not gay but enjoyed wearing gay clothing.

I think dorian was a neo nazi in his youth.

[arce377]

??

[dr.chimps]

well when i look at that pic of bob, sexual thoughts DO NOT enter my mind

apparently they enter yours

E

Read my post again, Earl. Is it a comprehension problem? When a picture has 2-3 criteria of an aesthetic it can reasonably assumed to fit a certain style. It has nothing to do with suggestion or subtext - it is there. Grow up

[Earl1972]

Read my post again, Earl. Is it a comprehension problem? When a picture has 2-3 criteria of an aesthetic it can reasonably assumed to fit a certain style. It has nothing to do with suggestion or subtext - it is there. Grow up

is tommy lee gay for posing NAKED in playgirl, a magazine read mostly by gay men?

E

[dr.chimps]

is tommy lee gay for posing NAKED in playgirl, a magazine read mostly by gay men?

E

You know. I wouldn't have any idea. Honest. How about this: I've made more than my fair share of fashion faux pas over the years but I've never once thought it a good idea to wear nothing but a pair of Daisy Dukes and a cut-off lumberjack shirt. And I know wearing it in the gym would be a baaaaad idea. Nor would I think it a positive fashion statement to put on just fatigue pants, a helmet and drape a big-ass length of chain over myself while looking insolently around*. Certainly would give off a vibe I'm not interested in. See my point now?

*too derivative of herb ritts, as well.

[watchagot]

Times have changed. A big example is Repetrope/USA Muscle. In the late 80's though the mid-90s, it was another company - VIDEO ACTION - that used to tape the NPC contests, pre-judging & pump room videos. You had to buy these videos if you wanted to look at bodybuilders other than just the magazines. VIDEO ACTION or TERRY PHOTO [ out of San Francisco ! ] invented the " pump room " tapes of filming bodybuilders backstage pumping up, oling & posing. Whatever company it is, they all pay the NPC big fees at having access to shoot the contests.

Look at Repetrope today. What was once only seen by bodybuilding fans, whatever their sexual orientation, is now a staple at every big national NPC contest. You can view bodybuilders in all types of posing on the internet. It's now as established part of viewing bodybuilders, and it used to be even more of a cultish, fetish interest even 12 years ago before the internet exploded, and opened the gates to bodybuilders being seen more as homoerotic.

And other gay owned companies, like Musclehunks, Musclegallery, Muscleworship and Jimmyzproductions are all getting some NPC bodybuilders , and even IFBB pros [ Kai Greene dances at Jimmyz strip shows in L.A. ] to pose. So, it's total gayness all over the internet for extroverted bodybuilders to show themselves off , whatever their motives are. And look, a lot of these guys who pose for the websites, or dance for a gay audience, or do jerk off videos, are getting major coverage and covers of the muscle magazines. Case in point: Chris Jalali is one of the favorite bodybuilders getting major covers of muscle mags & features, and he did j/o videos for Musclehunks. Gay editors, photographers & owners of these companies that are making money off of bodybuilding are featuring these bodybuilders.

Oh, & don't forget, the NPC gets a big cut from the fees that Repetrope/USA Muscle, Contest Muscle & Terry Photo [ all gay owned & controlled companies that make lots of money ] have to pay them. It's all part & parcel of the business. And the internet has blurred the lines & broken down taboos & barriers of what was once too gay, too fetish, too much on the fringe of homoerotic.

[dr.chimps]

Times have changed. A big example is Repetrope/USA Muscle. In the late 80's though the mid-90s, it was another company - VIDEO ACTION - that used to tape the NPC contests, pre-judging & pump room videos. You had to buy these videos if you wanted to look at bodybuilders other than just the magazines. VIDEO ACTION or TERRY PHOTO [ out of San Francisco ! ] invented the " pump room " tapes of filming bodybuilders backstage pumping up, oling & posing. Whatever company it is, they all pay the NPC big fees at having access to shoot the contests.

Look at Repetrope today. What was once only seen by bodybuilding fans, whatever their sexual orientation, is now a staple at every big national NPC contest. You can view bodybuilders in all types of posing on the internet. It's now as established part of viewing bodybuilders, and it used to be even more of a cultish, fetish interest even 12 years ago before the internet exploded, and opened the gates to bodybuilders being seen more as homoerotic.

And other gay owned companies, like Musclehunks, Musclegallery, Muscleworship and Jimmyzproductions are all getting some NPC bodybuilders , and even IFBB pros [ Kai Greene dances at Jimmyz strip shows in L.A. ] to pose. So, it's total gayness all over the internet for extroverted bodybuilders to show themselves off , whatever their motives are. And look, a lot of these guys who pose for the websites, or dance for a gay audience, or do jerk off videos, are getting major coverage and covers of the muscle magazines. Case in point: Chris Jalali is one of the favorite bodybuilders getting major covers of muscle mags & features, and he did j/o videos for Musclehunks. Gay editors, photographers & owners of these companies that are making money off of bodybuilding are featuring these bodybuilders.

Oh, & don't forget, the NPC gets a big cut from the fees that Repetrope/USA Muscle, Contest Muscle & Terry Photo [ all gay owned & controlled companies that make lots of money ] have to pay them. It's all part & parcel of the business. And the internet has blurred the lines & broken down taboos & barriers of what was once too gay, too fetish, too much on the fringe of homoerotic.

Hmm. Debatable. Certainly made it more available.

[BayGBM]

Times have changed. A big example is Repetrope/USA Muscle. In the late 80's though the mid-90s, it was another company - VIDEO ACTION - that used to tape the NPC contests, pre-judging & pump room videos. You had to buy these videos if you wanted to look at bodybuilders other than just the magazines. VIDEO ACTION or TERRY PHOTO [ out of San Francisco ! ] invented the " pump room " tapes of filming bodybuilders backstage pumping up, oling & posing. Whatever company it is, they all pay the NPC big fees at having access to shoot the contests.

Look at Repetrope today. What was once only seen by bodybuilding fans, whatever their sexual orientation, is now a staple at every big national NPC contest. You can view bodybuilders in all types of posing on the internet. It's now as established part of viewing bodybuilders, and it used to be even more of a cultish, fetish interest even 12 years ago before the internet exploded, and opened the gates to bodybuilders being seen more as homoerotic.

And other gay owned companies, like Musclehunks, Musclegallery, Muscleworship and Jimmyzproductions are all getting some NPC bodybuilders , and even IFBB pros [ Kai Greene dances at Jimmyz strip shows in L.A. ] to pose. So, it's total gayness all over the internet for extroverted bodybuilders to show themselves off , whatever their motives are. And look, a lot of these guys who pose for the websites, or dance for a gay audience, or do jerk off videos, are getting major coverage and covers of the muscle magazines. Case in point: Chris Jalali is one of the favorite bodybuilders getting major covers of muscle mags & features, and he did j/o videos for Musclehunks. Gay editors, photographers & owners of these companies that are making money off of bodybuilding are featuring these bodybuilders.

Oh, & don't forget, the NPC gets a big cut from the fees that Repetrope/USA Muscle, Contest Muscle & Terry Photo [ all gay owned & controlled companies that make lots of money ] have to pay them. It's all part & parcel of the business. And the internet has blurred the lines & broken down taboos & barriers of what was once too gay, too fetish, too much on the fringe of homoerotic.

Much of what you say here is compelling.  The internet has certainly made all kinds of information and photos easily available and clued people in to what they previously did not know.  But that underscores a point I, and others here, have been making for some time:  there is nothing new to the homoerotic veil on bodybuilding; it most certainly didn’t start in the 1980s.

Private ‘sponsorship’ helped build the industry in the days when Arnold was competing… and even Eugene Sandow engaged in what we would today call private posing. Then, as now, people know what they want to know and don’t know what they don’t want to know.  But the simplicity of clicking your mouse and seeing the evidence in photos or videos makes it harder to deny what you have ‘known’ all along. 

[watchagot]

Glad you agree. The internet certainly has opened up the proliferation of websites devoted to photos, images & videos of bodybuilders. Videos that once were considered to be like a subculture of bodybuilding, such as pump room videos, are now commonly accepted by the NPC, IFBB & the bodybuilders themselves. Terry Photo will have his camera on a guy's ass or close-up of a bulge in posing trunks, and it's no longer a big deal.  Repetrope has expanded like never before with photos & videos of every bodybuilder who competes on their " USA Muscle " website. Who do you think pays & looks at this stuff? Nobody blinks an eye anymore to it. All these gay owned websites are making thousands, if not a million or two or more. As long as they pay the federation their big fees, nearly anything is acceptable today. Throw them all some money, and no one will bat an eye.

What a difference from just 10 years ago, when Rusty Jeffers got a lot of flack just for nude photos for Colt. He wasn't the first, there were plenty of others before. Now you have guys like Mark Erpelding and Chris Jalali all over gay websites smiling, grinning & j/o'ing, and they get covers & articles in the muscle mags. It's the world wide web. Nobody is forcing them to. They get rewarded in one way or many ways for being out there on the web.

Bodybuilding has exploded on the internet, & male bodybuilders as homoerotica, eye candy or sex objects is in full gear. And it's bound to get bigger yet. Musclehunks has a ton of money to throw someone for posing, and there have been big names in bodybuilding who have done stuff, which obviously, isn't a secret when they're doing it for the internet. Your point of the stuff beyond the internet is true & very real as well.

[BayGBM]

Glad you agree. The internet certainly has opened up the proliferation of websites devoted to photos, images & videos of bodybuilders. Videos that once were considered to be like a subculture of bodybuilding, such as pump room videos, are now commonly accepted by the NPC, IFBB & the bodybuilders themselves. Terry Photo will have his camera on a guy's ass or close-up of a bulge in posing trunks, and it's no longer a big deal.  Repetrope has expanded like never before with photos & videos of every bodybuilder who competes on their " USA Muscle " website. Who do you think pays & looks at this stuff? Nobody blinks an eye anymore to it. All these gay owned websites are making thousands, if not a million or two or more. As long as they pay the federation their big fees, nearly anything is acceptable today. Throw them all some money, and no one will bat an eye.

What a difference from just 10 years ago, when Rusty Jeffers got a lot of flack just for nude photos for Colt. He wasn't the first, there were plenty of others before. Now you have guys like Mark Erpelding and Chris Jalali all over gay websites smiling, grinning & j/o'ing, and they get covers & articles in the muscle mags. It's the world wide web. Nobody is forcing them to. They get rewarded in one way or many ways for being out there on the web.

Bodybuilding has exploded on the internet, & male bodybuilders as homoerotica, eye candy or sex objects is in full gear. And it's bound to get bigger yet. Musclehunks has a ton of money to throw someone for posing, and there have been big names in bodybuilding who have done stuff, which obviously, isn't a secret when they're doing it for the internet. Your point of the stuff beyond the internet is true & very real as well.

LOL I have been saying this all along.  You may recall a posting I made in a thread long ago about why BB is gay.  I got so many private messages from that posting.  Some hate mail from guys in denial and lots of "amen! thanks for saying that" from guys who preferred to remain anonymous.  Individually all the evidence I posted didn't mean much but when you added it all up there was only one conclusion.

What a difference from just 10 years ago, when Rusty Jeffers got a lot of flack just for nude photos for Colt. He wasn't the first, there were plenty of others before. Now you have guys like Mark Erpelding and Chris Jalali all over gay websites smiling, grinning & j/o'ing, and they get covers & articles in the muscle mags.

Ha ha ha ha 

[dr.chimps]

Hmm. I think more telling is the amount of views the gay threads get, as opposed to replies. Seem to be a lot of 'lurkers' here at Getbig. 

/ditto for the musclechicks thread. not going to make any inferences there, tho. 

[BayGBM]

Lurking may or may not be as indicative.  Lots of people click their way to sites and subjects they are not really interested in.  But in this case I think you're right.

Even more telling is when someone is willing to part with his money: buying photographs, buying magazines, buying ‘lifestyle’ videos, posing videos, going to shows, traveling hundreds of miles to attend shows… --especially when they don't even train--that is not just idle curiosity.  And you know they are not doing all that to get training tips.

You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?)

[Earl1972]

bodybuilding is only gay if you want it to be gay

E

[New Hank Wood]

The definition of gay:

Oiled- up, hormonised, thong-wearing men who dance to audiences full of overweight men with cameras....gay, gay, gay!