Bob Chick, who supported you the most in your bodybuilding career?

[Sharma]

Believe me pros dealing between themselves is fine.  But that is not what I am talking about.  It is the normal guy in the gym who see a pro and he has some money to spend on some shit and the pro gets it for them at higher prices than normal.  The kid asks the pro what are you taking, can you get me some, I have a $1,000 what will that buy me.  It happens all the time and YES I have seen it many times. This fat slob has still been in many many gyms and it goes on 100%.

I agree 110%. The dealing between themselves if fine but some , like Milos the clown, take it to different levls altogether.

[Sharma]

Dealing in drugs and getting some for your mates is not the same thing.

Hope this helps.

i don't disagree but bob doesn't deal drugs and your kind of implying he does.

[dearth]

Bob has had sex with Nasser?

that would be the only reason for your sudden affection

Bob cannot win. He is straight up about using what is obvious and he get slammed by this dearth creature. if bob denied it then he would get slammed much more.

show him respect for his honesty.

he done much more with his life and body than anyone who slam him.

[Chick]

Dealing in drugs and getting some for your mates is not the same thing.

Hope this helps.

For once, we agree on something...

[Vince B]

I make no allegations against anyone re obtaining hard to get steroids, etc., for their mates. When we dob in our mates then civilization is worthless. Everyone accepts that those who want the drugs regard it as a big favour to be supplied the correct gear by someone they trust. It then becomes a fine line between doing that and providing for all and sundry and mates of mates.

[Chick]

Keith, you make a valid point. If Bob is a decent, clued in guy, why is he doing the pro rep job for free. He is copping a belting as we speak but is either oblivious or insensitive! Maybe that is why he was given the job!

Makes you wonder what he gets out of that position? To me it means he will fight to the death to retain that position because it gives him an important standing in the community and he becomes an identity with authority.

The reality is he didn't win his last major show but was given a gift. No wonder he has to pay back what they gave him!

I do the job because I'm one of the few that actually care for our sport...which Is why I was the ONLY one to put my career on the line and try and form a union for the athletes....other than Shawn, I'm one of the few that care for the betterment of the sport....

As for winning the show...please...it's getting old, Basile.....no one at the show thought anything different. Wonder why that is?

[JohnnyVegas]

For once, we agree on something...

Can we agree you look like shit here?? Especially compared to when you won the USA???

I do the job because I'm one of the few that actually care for our sport...which Is why I was the ONLY one to put my career on the line and try and form a union for the athletes....other than Shawn, I'm one of the few that care for the betterment of the sport....

As for winning the show...please...it's getting old, Basile.....no one at the show thought anything different. Wonder why that is?

What career?? You don't have a career-at least in Pro BBing, in the last 3 years you have been in only 1 show.

[Kegdrainer]

so bob do you flat out deny selling steroids to ANYONE in Rochester?

I know people who bought from you first hand.  Don't lie about it.

[Vince B]

Bob, no one expects you to admit Rusty looked better than you. Perhaps one day someone close to you will tell you the truth. However, just remember that silence or consensus does not always mean they are right. Justice has a way of eventually coming out. I feel very sorry for anyone who was put down in a contest no matter what the reason. There has been too much favouritism shown in bodybuilding and this practice is natural for subjective contests. Years ago the practice was started by promoters to make gym owners judges. The idea was that this would encourage them to enter competitors and bring some fans to the show. Also, having many gym owners as judges balanced the natural bias out there for gym members and mates.

In my expert opinion, I would put Rusty ahead of you in that contest. Sorry, I don't let personal animosity or friendship alter where I would place competitors in bodybuilding contests. I respect the sport way too much to do that. When you think about it, if the contests are unfair and invalid then no one who has ever won a contest can feel confident he was the best competitor there. Every crooked and unfair contest casts a dark shadow on all the valid winners. It is a pity you cannot grasp this principle.

[Moosejay]

I am not even American. I find it amusing that you joke about community colleges when your academic standards are so much lower than in most European countries.

Which is why there is a major influx of europeans coming to school in America....

[Chick]

Can we agree you look like shit here?? Especially compared to when you won the USA???




What career?? You don't have a career-at least in Pro BBing, in the last 3 years you have been in only 1 show.

Do some homework, Chizzlechest....2002 was the timeframe, and I was at the height of my "career", coming off 2 runner-up finishes and an Olympia.

[Chick]

Bob, no one expects you to admit Rusty looked better than you. Perhaps one day someone close to you will tell you the truth. However, just remember that silence or consensus does not always mean they are right. Justice has a way of eventually coming out. I feel very sorry for anyone who was put down in a contest no matter what the reason. There has been too much favouritism shown in bodybuilding and this practice is natural for subjective contests. Years ago the practice was started by promoters to make gym owners judges. The idea was that this would encourage them to enter competitors and bring some fans to the show. Also, having many gym owners as judges balanced the natural bias out there for gym members and mates.

In my expert opinion, I would put Rusty ahead of you in that contest. Sorry, I don't let personal animosity or friendship alter where I would place competitors in bodybuilding contests. I respect the sport way too much to do that. When you think about it, if the contests are unfair and invalid then no one who has ever won a contest can feel confident he was the best competitor there. Every crooked and unfair contest casts a dark shadow on all the valid winners. It is a pity you cannot grasp this principle.

You don't have an "expert" opinion...there's your problem right there...YOU think you're an expert....no one else. The mere fact that you believe you can make a "expert" opinion on a show you didn't see in person says it all...

Gee, wonder why the REAL experts al had me winning easily? Rusty was placed down for the same reason he never won the Nationals, USA,beat me in ANY show we face each other, or placed in any pro show...he was smooth, especially in the prejudging....no other reason.

[Vince B]

What makes you an expert on who is an expert? I don't accept your judgement. I was the chairman of the judges committee in the Association a few of us started after the fiasco in 1980 in Sydney. I came up with the judging criteria and process and it was implemented in our shows and others I was involved with. We published the judges results immediately after the results were announced. We also treated the competitors with respect and dignity. After all, without the competitors you can have no contests.

You don't have to accept my opinion as an expert. That is why we have multiple judges at contests. Are you trying to abolish the way IFBB judges are rated? The deviation method clearly encourages consensus instead of accurate, independent judging.

Who should have won a contest is always a matter of opinion. It is less that when definite statements are made about criteria that can be verified. I rather doubt Rusty was smooth compared to you. I find it astonishing that so many placed above him. To me it was a travesty. I hope you take off your winners glasses and accept that not everyone agrees with the judges. I agree that being there is essential to properly judge competitors. However, one would hope that the images were representative of the physiques in that contest and they tell a different story to the results.

Here is a 'smooth' Rusty at the prejudging. You really shouldn't be defending yourself here, Bob. I hope this helps. 

[Chick]

What makes you an expert on who is an expert? I don't accept your judgement. I was the chairman of the judges committee in the Associating a few of us started after the fiasco in 1980 in Sydney. I came up with the judging criteria and process and it was implemented in our shows and others I was involved with. We published the judges results immediately after the results were announced. We also treated the competitors with respect and dignity. After all, without the competitors you can have no contests.

You don't have to accept my opinion as an expert. That is why we have multiple judges at contests. Are you trying to abolish the way IFBB judges are rated? The deviation method clearly encourages consensus instead of accurate, independent judging.

Who should have won a contest is always a matter of opinion. It is less that when definite statements are made about criteria that can be verified. I rather doubt Rusty was smooth compared to you. I find it astonishing that so many placed above him. To me it was a travesty. I hope you take off your winners glasses and accept that not everyone agrees with the judges. I agree that being there is essential to properly judge competitors. However, one would hope that the images were representative of the physiques in that contest and they tell a different story to the results.

Here is a 'smooth' Rusty at the prejudging. You really shouldn't be defending yourself here, Bob. I hope this helps. 

Of course you find it astonishing...YOU WERENT THERE and you DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT....Images are just that, pictures never tell the story...as an "Expert", you should be the first to know that.

Hmmm...lets see. Overwhelming consensus amongst the fans and judges that were there....conspiracy theory amongst the lemmings on a internet site, and only THIS one, at that.

[Vince B]

Bob, no one can call me a lemming. I am totally and completely independent in my observations and conclusions and always take a philosopher of science approach to theories and statements. Yes, I can be mistaken about matters of fact just as can everyone else. I would have placed Rusty ahead of you based on the images published on Bodybuilding com that seems to promote your images more than anyone else there. I wonder why?

If you are suggesting that many on Getbig are questioning your placing then you should take notice that your victory isn't unanimous.

Hope this helps.

What is with so many of Rusty's images being rotated? I think all images should present the athletes to the best advantage for both the archives and the fans who were not able to see the shows.

[Chick]

Bob, no one can call me a lemming. I am totally and completely independent in my observations and conclusions and always take a philosopher of science approach to theories and statements. Yes, I can be mistaken about matters of fact just as can everyone else. I would have placed Rusty ahead of you based on the images published on Bodybuilding com that seems to promote your images more than anyone else there. I wonder why?

If you are suggesting that many on Getbig are questioning your placing then you should take notice that your victory isn't unanimous.

Hope this helps.

What is with so many of Rusty's images being rotated? I think all images should present the athletes to the best advantage for both the archives and the fans who were not able to see the shows.

We webcast the show...no one needed pictures to make their assessment.

It was unanimous among the judging panel, and pretty much anyone there that wasn't a family mamber of Rusty...

[bigdumbbell]

We webcast the show...no one needed pictures to make their assessment.

It was unanimous among the judging panel, and pretty much anyone there that wasn't a family mamber of Rusty...

this show was all about bob. the camera followed his every stage movement.

[Vince B]

Bob, I imagine you were impressed with Arnold and Pumping Iron. Also, there was the Comeback, featuring Arnold. I have seen clips of you at the Masters and they were filming you and interviewing you along the way and after. Seems to me the film followed a script. Like I said, winners don't complain and neither should they have to defend the decision of the judges. You complain but defend the decision. That is understandable because you fear someone is trying to diminish your victory. Sometimes when you win you lose and sometimes when you lose you win.

[Chick]

Bob, I imagine you were impressed with Arnold and Pumping Iron. Also, there was the Comeback, featuring Arnold. I have seen clips of you at the Masters and they were filming you and interviewing you along the way and after. Seems to me the film followed a script. Like I said, winners don't complain and neither should they have to defend the decision of the judges. You complain but defend the decision. That is understandable because you fear someone is trying to diminish your victory. Sometimes when you win you lose and sometimes when you lose you win.

The film followed the script as it had a great ending..could have ended differently with any of the selected athletes I openly invited to compete..Vince Taylor, Flex, Shawn, Gary Strydom, etc...I campaigned for 12 weeks for any and al to come and join the party...who knows what could have been the result? Filming the War for the Worlds video series was an idea I had to drum up interest in the show, and provide an inside look at a weekly journey in real time....of course the cameras were following me, it was my crew and our webcast....fans also voiced their opinion by voting online the people choice.

[JohnnyVegas]

We webcast the show...no one needed pictures to make their assessment.

It was unanimous among the judging panel, and pretty much anyone there that wasn't a family mamber of Rusty...

You won that show the same way Franco won the 81 O.....

[genrommel74]

You won that show the same way Franco won the 81 O.....

LOL

[Chick]

You won that show the same way Franco won the 81 O.....

LOL...Jealousy is a bitch, aint it?

[nzmusclemonster]

Seems to be a lot of fags coming out of the closet and wanting a ride on Rusty's knob lately.

[Hedgehog]

Bob, no one can call me a lemming.

In that you are quite wrong, mon frére.

Lemming is what you are.

A follower, and pretender at that.

How many times have you pretended to be friends with Arthur Jones?

And honestly, did you ever even meet him?

Or with other famous bodybuilders from the old days?

Lets not call it lemming then.

We could call it starfcuker.

Or wannabe.

Is that more to your liking?

[Vince B]

Hedge, why would anyone make you a moderator on a discussion board? Beats me.

I was not friends with Arthur Jones. I called him on the phone to tell him I had invented a biceps-supinator machine. He had written about the functions of the biceps but never built such a machine. I talked to him for about an hour in the early nineties. Ellington Darden gave me Arthur's number when I called him.


Ray Mentzer lived at my place for several months in the late eighties and we talked a lot. I introduced him to his wife, Pam on a New Year's Eve. I stayed at Ray and Pam's place in Torrence in April 1991. He told me plenty of stories about Arthur, Mike, and others in the Iron Game.

Ray was upset that Mike didn't give him a ride to school one day but had Mike's mates in the car. I told that story to Mike at Golds Venice in April 91 and he denied that happened. So what am I to think about that? I have no way to test the truth there. I guess we can conclude that Ray assumed that Mike saw him and didn't give him a lift. Obviously, Mike either didn't see Ray or he forgot it happened. Ray didn't seem like the kind of guy who would make up things.

Ray said he went with Rachel McLish but she had this thing about religion that he couldn't handle. Others have confirmed that Ray did go with her. 

I follow no one. Funny but no follows me, either! I offer to help blokes like Goodrum but he is suspicious. Guys like that prefer to use their own brains. You have to laugh at that. Smart people always get help from others and appreciate that help.