Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!

[New Hank Wood]

Vince, i have backed you on this one.....up until now, that is!  

Your arguments are circular and make no real sense!  Chick, on the other hand, has coherently backed up his argument with logic and consistency.

Vince, why do you continually insult the intelligence of people on this board? Maybe it is you who is really the 'flotsam'.  Maybe it is you who is the pseudo philosopher; with no real true and tangible answers.

Vince, you continually gloat about your educational superiority and worldly achievements.  My question is; If you are so at peace with yourself, why then are you coming on here 'running people down' and 'rambling on and on' like some disturbed Alzheimer's patient?

Vince, i think you should start showing a little more respect for people on this board.  Afterall, it is the people that make the board not the other way around.

[Vince B]

Hank, you pontificate and judge people all the time. Roll up your sleeves and debate the issues. Don't credit Bob with what he is incapable of doing re discussions.

[monstercalves]

Hank, you pontificate and judge people all the time. Roll up your sleeves and debate the issues. Don't credit Bob with what he is incapable of doing re discussions.

smoke wood brings nothing to this forum .... fuk knows why he even posts here.....

[Chick]

Hank, you pontificate and judge people all the time. Roll up your sleeves and debate the issues. Don't credit Bob with what he is incapable of doing re discussions.

Reality has already been spelled out for you...whether you choose to believe it, is your choice. You live in fantasy land...

[New Hank Wood]

OK, fair call.  

But Vince, seriously, what can be done to affect real change in this sport?  You have some good ideas, but that is all they are, IDEAS!

What is the 'starting point' for ushering in a 'new era' for the sport?

The way our modern society is evolving with it 'across the board' acceptance of 'all things pharmaceutical' i fret that there is no turning-back-the-clock!

We live in such a sedentary world now.  It is all about instant gratification and overt individualism.  Pro Building is just an exaggerated reflection of this self-centred, magic pill society!

[monstercalves]

Reality has already been spelled out for you...whether you choose to believe it, is your choice. You live in fantasy land...

yank wood or basile?........


wank wood defo lives in a little world very unlike the normal human

[dearth]

the only fantasy land  is that where the
"drugs are only a finishing touch in bodybuilding" and better yet
"drugs aren't a problem in bodybuilding!" beliefs run rampant... common among steroid junkies.

btw - Chick did you sell steroids in Rochester?

Reality has already been spelled out for you...whether you choose to believe it, is your choice. You live in fantasy land...

[monstercalves]

the only fantasy land  is that where the
"drugs are only a finishing touch in bodybuilding" and better yet
"drugs aren't a problem in bodybuilding!" beliefs run rampant... common among steroid junkies.

btw - Chick did you sell steroids in Rochester?

how many accounts do u have tanked by wood?

[Chick]

the only fantasy land  is that where the
"drugs are only a finishing touch in bodybuilding" and better yet
"drugs aren't a problem in bodybuilding!" beliefs run rampant... common among steroid junkies.

btw - Chick did you sell steroids in Rochester?

Yeah...I sold them to your mother...too bad about the beard.

[monstercalves]

hahahahaha


sorted out by big chick

[Meltdown]

So many ramblings but at the end of the day" It's Fukin Illegal "so all the argument is just that.IFBB is the only sport federation that rewards Drug use and abuse.

[dearth]

MELTDOWN!!!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !

*sob* *sob*

Bob Chick - "start mentioning my steroid selling past, and I'll start with my highly intelligent mother jokes!"

*sob* *sob*

Yeah...I sold them to your mother...too bad about the beard.

[monstercalves]

MELTDOWN!!!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !

*sob* *sob*

Bob Chick - "start mentioning my steroid selling past, and I'll start with my highly intelligent mother jokes!"

*sob* *sob*

fuk are u talkin about?

[Vince B]

The starting point is to get the internet spokesman for the professionals and the IFBB to acknowledge that steroids and injecting substances should play no part in bodybuiding. His arguments that bodybuilding is boring and a subculture are lame. We are talking about ethics here and using drugs and injecting oil is not bodybuilding. How hard is this to understand? Those drugs make the sport a sham and those who use them cheaters.

I hope this helps but Bob is coming across as a rather stubborn bloke who is defending his practices to the death. Clearly he is part of the problem and must be exposed and then removed from having anything to do with bodybuilding. He clearly senses this threat so attacks me any way he can. If I 'win' this debate then Bob is reduced to a cheater and apologist. Most of us already accept he is the stooge for the IFBB.

[New Hank Wood]

You speak of 'ethics' Vince.  Show me where 'ethics' exist in any professional organisation? 

Where you find money, people and power you also find an absense of 'ethics'....sad but true.

Capitalism saw an end to the 'ethical societies'.  Pro Bodybuiding is yet a mere reflection of this.

[Meltdown]

Vince are you saying that without using and abusing Drugs and Banned substances that the IFBB Pro league would be FINISHED?.

[Vince B]

Cheaters who are exposed do not profit. Why an appointed official is not against banned drugs and substances is the real worry. Can you imagine any spokesman for any other sport talking like Bob? It is unthinkable. The cheating is ignored and even rewarded. The system is corrupt and has to be exposed and replaced.

Bodybuilding in the IFBB is not seen to be ethical because there is corruption and cheating going on. There was controversy in Asia and a vice-president accused of impropriety. The IFBB sorted that out by punishing the whistle blower. Can anyone honestly say they admire what is happening to professional bodybuilding? Those of us who can see the mess need to speak up because the sport has been run by self-serving, incompetent and ruthless people for too long. Enough is enough.

[Meltdown]

You have started the fire here Vince now take it to the next level.Contact media and others with an interest in sport and tell them what you know and give them an idea of what drugs and amounts are being used and let them know that the IFBB Reward their athletes for Drug use and Abuse.You can make a change Vince.You have nothing to lose as you are not an IFBB Pro nor have any finance involved.

[New Hank Wood]

Yes, are you going to do anything about this very serious issue Vince?
Have you taken these concerns to the law makers and media organisations?  Of course you havent!

By your own admission you abused Dianabol.  Thanks to steroids you went on to become Mr. Canada; can you see the hypocrisy and double standards in your argument?

So, just because you have repented your use of these substances (oh, i forgot, they were 'legal' back then) you can now 'carry the torch' for a drug free sport? Nothing more irritating than a born-again!

Do something Vince.  Become the whistle blower! 

Yes Vince, keep spanking-on and your credibility continues to go further down the toilet.

[dr.chimps]

The starting point is to get the internet spokesman for the professionals and the IFBB to acknowledge that steroids and injecting substances should play no part in bodybuiding. His arguments that bodybuilding is boring and a subculture are lame. We are talking about ethics here and using drugs and injecting oil is not bodybuilding. How hard is this to understand? Those drugs make the sport a sham and those who use them cheaters.

I hope this helps but Bob is coming across as a rather stubborn bloke who is defending his practices to the death. Clearly he is part of the problem and must be exposed and then removed from having anything to do with bodybuilding. He clearly senses this threat so attacks me any way he can. If I 'win' this debate then Bob is reduced to a cheater and apologist. Most of us already accept he is the stooge for the IFBB.

Uh, Vince, Bob is here under his own name and is a public figure and you want him to openly admit as spokesman, etc. in this day and age of steroid fear-mongering that steroids should play no part in bb'ing (and it's corollary: that they now do)?   

[dearth]

English. try and learn some.

fuk are u talkin about?

[mass 04]

Vince invented bitterness.

[dearth]

media doesn't give 2 shits
and others with interest (mostly shmoes and getbig types) already know what goes on

if the sport were to be cleaned up (as you faciectiously alluded to) it would have to start with the IFBB, not a getbig.com message board member.

but the IFBB clearly see little value in having anything to do with attaining any sort of integrity in this sport.

You have started the fire here Vince now take it to the next level.Contact media and others with an interest in sport and tell them what you know and give them an idea of what drugs and amounts are being used and let them know that the IFBB Reward their athletes for Drug use and Abuse.You can make a change Vince.You have nothing to lose as you are not an IFBB Pro nor have any finance involved.

[New Hank Wood]

Vince, do you really 'give a damn' as to what is happening in the sport today? I think this is all just 'theatre' from you! An attention-grab from an 'old and weary never-been'.

It appears that this debate is more about you and your life of hipocrisy; and failed opportunities.  Afterall, you yourself went down the steroid path.

Vince, I call upon you to take these issues to government and the media organisations.  

Prove that you 'give a damn'  and are not full of bullshit!  Because quite frankly, your crazy ramblings point more to a jealousy and fixation with Bob than anything else.

Not hating Vince, just want you to start taking responsibility for your views!

[Chick]

The starting point is to get the internet spokesman for the professionals and the IFBB to acknowledge that steroids and injecting substances should play no part in bodybuiding. His arguments that bodybuilding is boring and a subculture are lame. We are talking about ethics here and using drugs and injecting oil is not bodybuilding. How hard is this to understand? Those drugs make the sport a sham and those who use them cheaters.

I hope this helps but Bob is coming across as a rather stubborn bloke who is defending his practices to the death. Clearly he is part of the problem and must be exposed and then removed from having anything to do with bodybuilding. He clearly senses this threat so attacks me any way he can. If I 'win' this debate then Bob is reduced to a cheater and apologist. Most of us already accept he is the stooge for the IFBB.

You're right, Basile...they SHOULD have no part in bodybuilding...but they do. Just like they have a part in EVERY sport known to man. If there is competition, there is a competitor looking to win, and an advantage...just like you did Basile. I guess morals and ethics didn't exsist back then, right? You had no problem taking steroids to get an advantage, just like the other guys you were competing against.

I get a kick out of old timers like yourself who NOW try and wax philosophical, and "do as I say, not as I did" mentality.....

Maybe if the "pioneers of the sport" like yourselves did the right thing then, and practiced what you preached, instead of being th biggest hipocrites on the planet...perhaps you wouldn't have laid the foundation and provided the blueprint for the future generations of competitive bodybuilders....by using steroids. Look in the mirror if you're looking for a reason the sport is where it is.
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