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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #150 on: April 17, 2008, 02:51:51 AM »
Hahaha , Vince or Should I say Hank  :o
Yes everyone ,Hank Wood Is in fact Vince Basile..Vince you crazy old Coot or should I say "bloke" you are killing me here how you have pulled the wool over these dim wits eyes hahaha you old bugger  ;D

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #151 on: April 17, 2008, 04:22:14 AM »


Hilarious!!  LOL  :)

Looks like quite the fag here!!

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #152 on: April 17, 2008, 04:37:06 AM »


Hilarious!!  LOL  :)

Looks like quite the fag here!!

LOL that is a very strange picture.  Does look gay as hell.  Dude is posing with giant phalic symbols.  Quads and hamstrings looking huge!

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #153 on: April 17, 2008, 05:12:15 AM »
Bob with all that has been said here it's obvious that the talk of Pro BBs are all Drugs is a FACT you yourself have said the IFBB would fold if they the IFBB did Drug testing.Now that it's confirmed by you Chick, IFBB Pros are all Drugs and the IFBB need them to continue the heavy use and abuse of Drugs and banned substances to keep the crowds of paying people coming to IFBB shows.FFS now that is a sad FACT.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #154 on: April 17, 2008, 05:23:26 AM »
Chick another quote from you is all about how Superior your Genetics are to Vince and how most Pros have great genetics and it's not all Drugs.Well why not introduce Drug test as per IFBB Rules and let the Pros rest on their Great Genetics.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #155 on: April 17, 2008, 06:21:03 AM »
Not really...just shows how whacked you are for thinking it is.

BTW....genetics play the bigger part, not the drugs.....I looked better than you without drugs at 16 than you did in your heyday

i dont think bob is one to talk about PRIME genetics, it took him how long to be a pro? and he never placed anywhere in a top show, surely he must have taken a shit load of drugs to get to become pro because he doesn't have the genetics to do it naturally.

I'm sure bob thinks he was 225lb ripped and ready for pro stardom, but i think his track record shows he was ready for the Mr big mouth and best.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #156 on: April 17, 2008, 06:26:01 AM »
i competed with bob in 1981 teen america, and, let me tell you, i was 17, he was 15, and he was FAR ahead of me and everyone else genetics-wise...you could tell he'd go much farther...he was THAT much farther ahead of everyone.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #157 on: April 17, 2008, 07:12:24 AM »
Hahaha , Vince or Should I say Hank  :o
Yes everyone ,Hank Wood Is in fact Vince Basile..Vince you crazy old Coot or should I say "bloke" you are killing me here how you have pulled the wool over these dim wits eyes hahaha you old bugger  ;D

I don't consider myself old. I am trying to figure out who Hank Wood is, too. I never post on the net as anyone else.

The photo on the palm tree was a bit of a lark. That photo was taken in Queensland a few years ago. I was duplicating a photo I had taken while in Fiji in 1968. The trick is to find a palm leaning over and then take the photo so you look like you are climbing it.


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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #158 on: April 17, 2008, 07:15:24 AM »
2 dianabol isn't going to do jack shit you fucking liar, Vince

more like you took as much dbol you could afford to take, along with any other substance you thought would help you and you could get your hands on.

your nod different than any other bb'er.


Nonsense, here is a photo with Mr Universe Earl Maynard taken in 1969 when I was completely natural.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #159 on: April 17, 2008, 07:19:20 AM »
In this and other threads with Bob we have been debating professional bodybuilding. My position is that drugs have no place in the sport and testing should be always be done both in and outside of contests. Bob insists this is only a small sport and the fans want to see giants on stage. Therefore, drugs are okay. The IFBB has long been against drugs and have definite rules against using banned substances. Somehow those rules aren't enforced and Bob defends that by claiming the drugs are necessary to give the fans what they want. I explain that is a pathetic justification. The pros, including retired Bob, seem to need these drugs to be at the level they are. This attitude results in the current situation where everyone is heavily using and no one seems to be complaining. Add to that the reality that if you did complain you wouldn't be able to place above 8th in any of the top contests.

I haven't used steroids since 1977 or 78 and won't again. I can train and build myself up better than before without any help from pharmaceuticals or supplements. I just am not motivated to do it. For a start I am on line too damn much and I also am a keen photographer.

Bob, on the other hand, is reluctant to disclose his choice to use steroids but has no problem specifying which drugs he didn't use. I suppose if we subtract that list from published pro drug protocols then it would be fair to state he used and possibly still uses plenty of those drugs. Why should he be ashamed of using steroids if they are necessary to win a top title? This is just a small internet cult and no one is paying even the slightest attention to what anyone does. All those big muscles and the guy is a wimp.

One thing is certain, he doesn't need anyone to speak for him because he always likes to get the last word in. I predict more putdowns and insults directed my way.



If you're so ashamed of your past steroid use why do you have "IFBB Mr Canada 1970" under your avatar and post a picture of you and your trophy. You cheated and won. Live with it.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #160 on: April 17, 2008, 07:21:41 AM »
I give this round of banter to Chick

He's answering all your dumb repetitive questions.

I wonder he is...but he keeps doing it.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #161 on: April 17, 2008, 07:24:33 AM »
No, Chester, there was no rule against steroids. We just were too afraid to use them. I went to university in the 1960s and took some PE courses as well as philosophy and other courses. It would have been unthinkable to use steroids then. It was a moral issue and health risk.

In retrospect it wasn't such a big deal but at the time it never seemed right. If I could go back I wouldn't take anything. Easy to say now.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #162 on: April 17, 2008, 07:28:51 AM »
Bob, you join Goodrum in refusing to take good advice. Don't stay online after 10 pm or you will be sorry.
::) I think Bob is doing okay without you.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #163 on: April 17, 2008, 08:00:03 AM »
i competed with bob in 1981 teen america, and, let me tell you, i was 17, he was 15, and he was FAR ahead of me and everyone else genetics-wise...you could tell he'd go much farther...he was THAT much farther ahead of everyone.

he went right to the top of the world in about what 15 years, he was a clear champion from birth, look at that jaw....aint the gear ther

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #164 on: April 17, 2008, 08:06:53 AM »
I believe vince when he says he did 2 dbol per day....going from clean to 2 dbol would have a great effect, especially since there would be little attenuation at that point...as far as bob goes, i didn't notice anything with his jaw...

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #165 on: April 17, 2008, 08:17:18 AM »
Bob is on the defensive so lashes out. Ron joins the thread and reports that I do in fact call Chick names. Well, I am telling it like it is. Chick is a patsy for the Pro League and the IFBB. Can anyone imagine how pathetic bodybuilding must look to others not in the Irongame?

Anyone who has been around since the 1950s would have read the editorials of Peary Rader, Bob Hoffman, Joe Weider, Oscar Heidenstamn, and Bob Kennedy. These men had a vision for the sport and it wasn't what the sport has become now. I can't believe the sport needs a pro athletes rep. I can't believe that rep needs to be appointed. I can't accept that this rep explains how the athletes have a choice to use drugs and substances to compete at the highest level. Since when is that what the sport is all about?

The truth is bodybuilding has been a sham since goodness knows when. At least since the mid 1950s when Dianabol appeared in pharmacies. Who knows if some used testosterone back then? I started training in January 1959 and didn't try steroids until about March 1970. I took 2 Dianabol tablets a day for about 3 months. I got a bit stronger and filled out a bit, especially in the pecs. I tried Dianabol about 3 or 4 times in my career but never for any length of time. I concluded it helped a bit but there was no way I was going to be huge like Arnold and Sergio.

Contrast what I did with what is occurring today. Steroids are now a banned substance and the drug protocols are absolutely insane that the pros use. The women also abuse steroids and other drugs and look what has become of that sport. Bizarre, crazy, ugly and dangerous are words that come to mind.

When I began bodybuilding I was acutely aware that our sport was always knocked for one reason or another. I clearly saw that lifting weights was an assest for sports and I lived to see weight training accepted in sport and by the public. However, there remains a charge of extremism that cannot be denied. Who today can be proud of what is occurring in the sport? Would anyone want a son, friend or relation to aim at being a professional bodybuilder? The answer is a painful, "NO!" because it is no longer about building one's body but obtaining a shape and size by any means available. Competitors in open comps now need a drug adviser to know what to take and what to avoid. If we examine the men closely it is obvious almost all pros have had gynocomastia and other side effects. Instead of presenting with a healthy look, most appear bizarre with cuts accompanied by bloated midsections. Gone is the day when heroes like Steve Reeves could boast about his handsome appearance and excellent health.

I am all too aware of how the IFBB operates. I have personally witnessed how they recruit loyal associates and use rewards and punishments to keep members in line. There is no bodybuilding in the Olympics and today it is an embarrassment to even appear to be a champion. Well, I extend my congratulations to natural athletes, but I wonder how many resist the temptation to take substances when the gains stop? Why would a champion inject substances into muscles to win a competition? Whatever that quest is it is not bodybuilding.

I would prefer to debate hypertrophy training and design better training equipment than debate with Sophists like Bob Chick. As a philosopher, I am mystified why the sport has needed an apologist to defend the IFBB. The constitution of the IFBB looks good on paper but it is not followed and their rules and code of conduct is an ad hoc affair. Some rules are enforced while others are discarded. That is no way to operate a sport. Elections are necessary to provide accountability and fairness to everyone. We have witnessed some appalling decisions in professional bodybuilding contests. While we accept that beauty contests are always going to be controversial that shouldn't happen to a sport where standards have evolved and judging processes are applied in an acceptable manner.

I was absolutely amazed to visit Bodybuilding Com and see for myself what happened in the 2006 Masters contest staged in NY. I personally know Steve W. I mean, does he allow Bev to reply to emails? Talk about a controlling individual. I saw the report at one contest in New York where Steve stood up and challenged the audience! What the hell was that? Is this man now a big official in the IFBB? I shake my head. If he is then I am not surprised at what has happened to bodybuilding. The appointed officials all know how to play the game and remain loyal to those who appointed them. Bob C is but a pawn in this Pavlovian game where everyone knows what is required to get ahead in the sport.

Getbig is an interesting place. Ron suggests that I call some names. I wonder if Ron is part of the problem in bodybuilding. I mean, why should an owner of a discussing board allow others to call people names like pedophile? That is beyond the pall. Sure, the moderators remove such comments if you object to them and report them when they are made. When someone like Bob Chick suggests that I look like a pedophile then that is going way too far. I leave that comment up because I want others to see what happens to anyone who criticizes the IFBB. To hell with the corrupt IFBB. We have had to endure corrupt contest after contest. This happens in the major contests and at the local level. There were allegations made against officials in Asia. There have been charges made against officials in Australia. What does the IFBB do? They eliminate the 'problem' but keep their loyal officials and vice-presidents. It is a sham. Forthright guys who should be congratulated risk being marginalized, tarred and feathered, or banned from the sport.

If we look at what happened to Lee Priest then it is clear the IFBB is not a friend of bodybuilding. One outspoken guy after another gets booted out or silenced in one way or other. The list is growing. The first victims were guys like Sergio and Serge. Mike Mentzer was not allowed to win the Olympia. They were independent thinkers and a risk to the sport. So they were made outcasts and eliminated from the sport. Bev Francis was never allowed to win the Ms Olympia no matter what she did. I find it incredible that Steve is now part of the system that treated his wife so badly thoughout her career.

We have a former criminal who used to live with Arnold still running and promoting contests in Australia. There is no way to remove Paul Graham because he gets advice to change the name of his organization and the IFBB still accepts only Paul as the vice-president in Australia. There are no open elections. Talk about corruption! Why should any decent bodybuilding fan want to associate with guys like Paul? I stay far away from him and this crazy sport.

Anyway, most guys here on Getbig cannot read more than a couple of sentences so will accuse me of blabbing on and on. I won't be intimidated by Bob Chick or anyone else. I can stand up to jerks like Goatboy so can easily debate with stooges and the flotsam here. I recognize that there are plenty of intelligent guys here but most default to keeping things light and amusing. That is why Goodrum has become the fall guy. He entertains like no one else.


You're the guy who turns "What's up, dude?" into a 45-minute monologue. You're the guy people stop asking "What's up?" to.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #166 on: April 17, 2008, 08:45:04 AM »
i dont think bob is one to talk about PRIME genetics, it took him how long to be a pro? and he never placed anywhere in a top show, surely he must have taken a shit load of drugs to get to become pro because he doesn't have the genetics to do it naturally.

I'm sure bob thinks he was 225lb ripped and ready for pro stardom, but i think his track record shows he was ready for the Mr big mouth and best.

Ever consider just the opposite?

Perhaps it was a LACK of a "shit load of drugs"...? I competed clean in the 1990 Nationals and still managed a top 5 spot...

 I won the Jr. Nats in 1987 at 21....I also took 2nd at the USA in 1989, at the age of 23.

I placed well in most of the pro shows I competed in..placing runner up in two (NOC/ SW Pro) 2002....perhaps you should check out the line-up.


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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #167 on: April 17, 2008, 08:49:00 AM »
Ever consider just the opposite?

Perhaps it was a LACK of a "shit load of drugs"...? I competed clean in the 1990 Nationals and still managed a top 5 spot...


Define "clean".  Less than 500mg/week?  Or you mean you didn't use any AAS in the months leading up to the contest, but had used regularly for three years before then, and were on GH and 'slin?  You're not trying to say you were still "natural" at that point in your career, are you? ::)
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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #168 on: April 17, 2008, 08:50:13 AM »
In all fairness to Bob.....

But damn....his competition to get his Pro Card was some of the best Body builders that ever stood on stage.

It's no wonder why it took so long.  The same guys were top Mr Olympia contenders

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #169 on: April 17, 2008, 09:08:42 AM »

Define "clean".  Less than 500mg/week?  Or you mean you didn't use any AAS in the months leading up to the contest, but had used regularly for three years before then, and were on GH and 'slin?  You're not trying to say you were still "natural" at that point in your career, are you? ::)

Clean means clean...as in nothing. As for time frame...about a year and a half, as we were told they would be drug testing. GH and "slin" weren't around yet...at least not to my knowledge.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #170 on: April 17, 2008, 09:15:09 AM »
Make money - by selling more steroids?

Bob Chick, what a surprise ! you continue your hypocritical ways...

crucifying Vince for using steroids, pointing out what he used - while keeping your stack of drugs a secret.

Since you are retired, there should be no issue.

unless the issue is avoiding the truth.







Sorry Basile...had to train and make money today.

I will not provide a list to you, or anyone else for that matter. Spelling out a "blueprint" for others to follow would not only be stupid, but reckless on my part.

As to whats "neccessary"...that could varry a great deal...so what I took may certainly not be enough for someone else....I've known guys who took truckloads of shit and never made it out of local comnpetitions. By conrast, I've known some of the top BBers in the world and you would be shocked how LITTLE they had to use...genetics an how one responds to gear is the key...the best are the best for a reason, and it aint taking more gear than anyone else...just the opposite actually.

BTW...I don't believe for one minute that you only took 2 D-bol a day. Like all the golden oldies...the dosages get a lot smaller over the years.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #171 on: April 17, 2008, 09:52:32 AM »
Make money - by selling more steroids?

Bob Chick, what a surprise ! you continue your hypocritical ways...

crucifying Vince for using steroids, pointing out what he used - while keeping your stack of drugs a secret.

Since you are retired, there should be no issue.

unless the issue is avoiding the truth.








Where there is NO surprise ...is your inability to comprehend what you read.

There is no crucifying Basile for his choosing to use DBol...the hypocricy is his coming down on any bodybuilder that chooses the same path he did.

Didn't figure anyone was that stupid that it needed to be explained and spelled out...guess I was wrong.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #172 on: April 17, 2008, 12:17:30 PM »
the hypocrisy is the IFBB's drug policy per the rule book,
and drug addicts like yourself supposedly representing IFBB & bodybuilding in general.

to add to the hypocrisy, you find it fit to repeatedly mention other peoples drug use, while remaining silent on your own.
since you conveniently ducked the question, I'll ask you again:

if you are retired, whats the problem revealing your cycles?

would it be too embarrassing to reveal your physique's dependence on drugs?


Where there is NO surprise ...is your inability to comprehend what you read.

There is no crucifying Basile for his choosing to use DBol...the hypocricy is his coming down on any bodybuilder that chooses the same path he did.

Didn't figure anyone was that stupid that it needed to be explained and spelled out...guess I was wrong.

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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #173 on: April 17, 2008, 01:59:11 PM »
vince always like to talk about his 2 tablets of dianabol use,,if that fella once and for all understood that 2 dianabol tablets wouldnt do nothing to you because your blood level wont be stebelized due to short half life and not enough tablets to raise it significatly fir any gains what so ever....iif he only understood this stupidity in his talk ....he would understand that 2 tablets of dianabol = a physiqe matching a poop,,,yes he would get little more hungry,,,yes he would gain 3-4 lb of water if very dedicated,,but in reality vince knows he is a liar,,mr canada in the 1970s had competition i think from other wanna be mr canadas,,and if he ever won anything it was on a lot more than 2 tablets of dianabol,,

2 tablets of dianabol would work on a guy with lean muscle mass of about 130lb and mae him gain 3-4 lb of water,,thats where it ends,,now vince although not a beast....wasnt 130lb of lean muscle mass he was quite a bit more,,

no vince did not use hgh since hgh was not available in his dinosour era,,but rest assure that he tried whatever he coupld from dianabol in higher dose than 10mg  :D and nandrolone and most likley winstrol oxandrolone ,,that generation is KING OF ORALS ,,thats why they look less bloat and could maintain better shape year round because they were built mainly on orals and those orals used to be taken the way you eat nachos and salsa,,


remember they knew nothing about risks,,doctors prescribed halotestin like candys since this was the viagra of the days,,they used orals and many diff products of orals put together,,they didnt know a from z when it came to the risks and they were RIGHT there is no risk from orals ,,,it is all depending on history of liver prone problems inorder to have a problem with orals,,

those gizzles like to make you think they were all that special and had this  marvoulous hard earned physiqe based on so much dedication which is PARTLY true ,,,they all used plenty and counted on orals and incorperated vet products later on into the  mid late 70s i,,they had free world free everything ,,they could walk the street with 5000 tablets dianabol 200 ampouls nandrolone 5000 tablets winstrol and a lot of anavar and halo since no one cared no one knew what it was ...doctors gave it like candys like they give now higher dose of ibu prufen ,,it was stupid to even go to get it from a doctor since why would you go get higher dose of ibu profen when you can just take more of the regular dosed ibu profen? see what i mean ,,it was all there and free to use under the sun same way you use protien powder and creatine now days

those fella used halotestin and oxandrolone to make their impressive lifts ,,,you younger generation especially generaiton nothingness need to understand that it was not always the way you are now ,,,they never begged to no chinease,,they never knew anything underground ,,when they got their shit for 10 cents an ampoul ....they had a real steroid in side not some underground rat poision or pure virgin olive oil,,,they didnt have no snake oils ,,they had REAL STEROIDS AND REAL FOOD,,that is why you hear sergio tellin you he ate bunch of paninis and cuban breads and  lots of beef and there was no lean beef then you ate real beef frieds,,you put it with beans on the cuban bread and ate it as much as you can,,,reason it workes was:

FREE APPROACH ,,LOW PRICE,,ALL NONE CONTROLLED ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROIDS,,

so mr vince like to talk about how special he was and his training thecnics while in reality you can see what he was now days when you take a look at him A NO ONE,,HE WAS A VERY AVERAGE PHYSIQE THAT WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT TODAY WHAT YOU SEE IS NO AND I SAY IT AGAIN NO IMPACT ON OF HIS WORK THEOUGH OUT THE YEARS THAT PAST,,THERE IS SIMPLY NO MUSCLE LEFT,,seekevin if he take his shirt off still looks like a bodybuilder trust me on that ,,,any one of the oldies take samir and zane for example ...they still look like lifters,,,vince on the other hand DOESNT! and that shows you more than anything else that he was using aas and was using as much as he needed to his genetic limitation,,,if he had the genetic repsonse to be bigger he would get bigger,,he COULDNT,,this is what god gave him and thats the buttom line and he KNOWS IT and is bitter
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Re: Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!
« Reply #174 on: April 17, 2008, 02:14:31 PM »
 :o  :o  :o  :o    I think Moses has come down from the mountain and found Vince with the Golden Calf. That was a smiting!

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