Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!

[onlyme]

You guys are ragging on Vince for taking just 2 tabs a day or whatever.  But in all seriousness he is far from having a whole lot of muscle.  He looks almost natural.  No huge arms, chest, ripped abs etc.  He looks great but nothing that shows he took more than he says. 

[Chick]

the hypocrisy is the IFBB's drug policy per the rule book,
and drug addicts like yourself supposedly representing IFBB & bodybuilding in general.

to add to the hypocrisy, you find it fit to repeatedly mention other peoples drug use, while remaining silent on your own.
since you conveniently ducked the question, I'll ask you again:

if you are retired, whats the problem revealing your cycles?

would it be too embarrassing to reveal your physique's dependence on drugs?

The question has already been answered, meathead...go look it up in this thread. see if you can put two and two together.

Whats embarassing is your level of intellect...

[Vince B]

This place is amazing because one can interact with the luminaries in the sport.

What an honour to have gh15 critique my physique from 38 years ago and tell everyone what I did and didn't take re anabolic steroids! Unbelievable!

The test of truth here is NOT what some gutless anonymous dude claims with his nonsense ideas and theories. There is no way I can prove what I did but why should I have to? Bob doesn't have enough courage to disclose what drugs he took in his career but suggests that I took more than I did. Now gh15 says the same thing. Am I to conclude that my physique in 1970 owned nothing to Dianabol if I took only 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a couple of months?

We knew the risks then because Ciba published a list of the contraindications inside each box of Dianabol. I researched the anabolics in the literature and other steroids were more effective but I wasn't willing to try any of them and no way I would try Durabolin or Deca because it was injectable. For someone to make conclusions based of a few photos 35 years later is preposterous. I don't look that great because I am lazy and hate training. I used to do some squats but I dislike the free weight room and all the clanging that goes on there. I train maybe half an hour a week on arms and mostly triceps. Sometimes I do close grip lat pulldowns. I know how my body will respond and what I have to do and keep doing and it just doesn't seem worth all that effort. I keep telling myself to get in shape for next year. Then I have nagging injuries from the past that make training unpleasant at times. I tore a biceps in 1978 and haven't felt like training since.

Whether I took mild dosages of Dianabol 38 years ago is irrelevant to what is occurring in modern day professional bodybuilding. Bob argues that it is okay and a personal choice to take steroids and anything else one wants. I find it astonishing that anyone associated with a bodybuilding organization can utter those words. Yet, he comes back and continues to try to shift the blame on guys like me. Talk about having nerve! Bob is in a position to do something positive for the sport and what does he do? He tries to justify the use of steroids.

Here is Bob's argument.
1. The fans want to see huge, freaky musclemen.
2. Growth drugs are needed to get this big.
3. No one cares what bodybuilders do.
4. The IFBB chooses not to test the professionals.
5. Therefore it is necessary to take drugs and guys like me should stay out of it and keep quiet.

What Bob doesn't say is:
6. If the guys don't take drugs they won't be that big.
7. If the IFBB tested rigorously the top guys would go and compete elsewhere.
8. The Mr Olympia wouldn't be the top contest, nor would the Arnold be the next most prestigious show.
9. Those contests wouldn't be popular and thus no one could make a profit promoting them.
10. The IFBB wouldn't receive the large fees that they charge to stage contests.

This is basically what is behind all the crap happening. If all the pros are using then they surely can't have many show up for the Olympia if it was rigorously and honestly tested complete with surprise testing in the lead up.

Seems to me there is no easy solution here. The sport is stuffed and Bob knows it. Well, he is doing pretty good considering he is a third tier guy. No wonder he defends the status quo. I am literally threatening his income if things change. I guess we are going to see more of the same because no one can get the professionals out of this mess.

[dearth]

I see you have no answer. Does the truth bother you Chick?

sort of like you getting called out on your steroid dealing days?
I melted you down yesterday on that one, and for some reason those posts have been deleted ??

Chick, have little room to talk about intellect. Kissing ass is not a form of intellect.

The question has already been answered, meathead...go look it up in this thread. see if you can put two and two together.

Whats embarassing is your level of intellect...

[G o a t b o y]

I am lazy and hate training. I used to do some squats but I dislike the free weight room and all the clanging that goes on there. I train maybe half an hour a week on arms and mostly triceps. Sometimes I do close grip lat pulldowns. I know how my body will respond and what I have to do and keep doing and it just doesn't seem worth all that effort. I keep telling myself to get in shape for next year.

You don't train?   I never would have guessed. 

[Chick]

I see you have no answer. Does the truth bother you Chick?

sort of like you getting called out on your steroid dealing days?
I melted you down yesterday on that one, and for some reason those posts have been deleted ??

Chick, have little room to talk about intellect. Kissing ass is not a form of intellect.

Goddam...you're as fucking clueles as Basile.  There is an answer as I stated...look for it, Monkey.

There were no "steroid dealing days"....nor have I deleted any posts....

[Moosejay]

This place is amazing because one can interact with the luminaries in the sport.

What an honour to have gh15 critique my physique from 38 years ago and tell everyone what I did and didn't take re anabolic steroids! Unbelievable!

The test of truth here is NOT what some gutless anonymous dude claims with his nonsense ideas and theories. There is no way I can prove what I did but why should I have to? Bob doesn't have enough courage to disclose what drugs he took in his career but suggests that I took more than I did. Now gh15 says the same thing. Am I to conclude that my physique in 1970 owned nothing to Dianabol if I took only 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a couple of months?

We knew the risks then because Ciba published a list of the contraindications inside each box of Dianabol. I researched the anabolics in the literature and other steroids were more effective but I wasn't willing to try any of them and no way I would try Durabolin or Deca because it was injectable. For someone to make conclusions based of a few photos 35 years later is preposterous. I don't look that great because I am lazy and hate training. I used to do some squats but I dislike the free weight room and all the clanging that goes on there. I train maybe half an hour a week on arms and mostly triceps. Sometimes I do close grip lat pulldowns. I know how my body will respond and what I have to do and keep doing and it just doesn't seem worth all that effort. I keep telling myself to get in shape for next year. Then I have nagging injuries from the past that make training unpleasant at times. I tore a biceps in 1978 and haven't felt like training since.

Whether I took mild dosages of Dianabol 38 years ago is irrelevant to what is occurring in modern day professional bodybuilding. Bob argues that it is okay and a personal choice to take steroids and anything else one wants. I find it astonishing that anyone associated with a bodybuilding organization can utter those words. Yet, he comes back and continues to try to shift the blame on guys like me. Talk about having nerve! Bob is in a position to do something positive for the sport and what does he do? He tries to justify the use of steroids.

Here is Bob's argument.
1. The fans want to see huge, freaky musclemen.
2. Growth drugs are needed to get this big.
3. No one cares what bodybuilders do.
4. The IFBB chooses not to test the professionals.
5. Therefore it is necessary to take drugs and guys like me should stay out of it and keep quiet.

What Bob doesn't say is:
6. If the guys don't take drugs they won't be that big.
7. If the IFBB tested rigorously the top guys would go and compete elsewhere.
8. The Mr Olympia wouldn't be the top contest, nor would the Arnold be the next most prestigious show.
9. Those contests wouldn't be popular and thus no one could make a profit promoting them.
10. The IFBB wouldn't receive the large fees that they charge to stage contests.

This is basically what is behind all the crap happening. If all the pros are using then they surely can't have many show up for the Olympia if it was rigorously and honestly tested complete with surprise testing in the lead up.

Seems to me there is no easy solution here. The sport is stuffed and Bob knows it. Well, he is doing pretty good considering he is a third tier guy. No wonder he defends the status quo. I am literally threatening his income if things change. I guess we are going to see more of the same because no one can get the professionals out of this mess.

'Vince: you look very good in this fdb pose.

Do you have any other pics from that show, with different poses? Please post if you do....

[The ChemistV2]

vince always like to talk about his 2 tablets of dianabol use,,if that fella once and for all understood that 2 dianabol tablets wouldnt do nothing to you because your blood level wont be stebelized due to short half life and not enough tablets to raise it significatly fir any gains what so ever....iif he only understood this stupidity in his talk ....he would understand that 2 tablets of dianabol = a physiqe matching a poop,,,yes he would get little more hungry,,,yes he would gain 3-4 lb of water if very dedicated,,but in reality vince knows he is a liar,,mr canada in the 1970s had competition i think from other wanna be mr canadas,,and if he ever won anything it was on a lot more than 2 tablets of dianabol,,

2 tablets of dianabol would work on a guy with lean muscle mass of about 130lb and mae him gain 3-4 lb of water,,thats where it ends,,now vince although not a beast....wasnt 130lb of lean muscle mass he was quite a bit more,,

no vince did not use hgh since hgh was not available in his dinosour era,,but rest assure that he tried whatever he coupld from dianabol in higher dose than 10mg  and nandrolone and most likley winstrol oxandrolone ,,that generation is KING OF ORALS ,,thats why they look less bloat and could maintain better shape year round because they were built mainly on orals and those orals used to be taken the way you eat nachos and salsa,,


remember they knew nothing about risks,,doctors prescribed halotestin like candys since this was the viagra of the days,,they used orals and many diff products of orals put together,,they didnt know a from z when it came to the risks and they were RIGHT there is no risk from orals ,,,it is all depending on history of liver prone problems inorder to have a problem with orals,,

those gizzles like to make you think they were all that special and had this  marvoulous hard earned physiqe based on so much dedication which is PARTLY true ,,,they all used plenty and counted on orals and incorperated vet products later on into the  mid late 70s i,,they had free world free everything ,,they could walk the street with 5000 tablets dianabol 200 ampouls nandrolone 5000 tablets winstrol and a lot of anavar and halo since no one cared no one knew what it was ...doctors gave it like candys like they give now higher dose of ibu prufen ,,it was stupid to even go to get it from a doctor since why would you go get higher dose of ibu profen when you can just take more of the regular dosed ibu profen? see what i mean ,,it was all there and free to use under the sun same way you use protien powder and creatine now days

those fella used halotestin and oxandrolone to make their impressive lifts ,,,you younger generation especially generaiton nothingness need to understand that it was not always the way you are now ,,,they never begged to no chinease,,they never knew anything underground ,,when they got their shit for 10 cents an ampoul ....they had a real steroid in side not some underground rat poision or pure virgin olive oil,,,they didnt have no snake oils ,,they had REAL STEROIDS AND REAL FOOD,,that is why you hear sergio tellin you he ate bunch of paninis and cuban breads and  lots of beef and there was no lean beef then you ate real beef frieds,,you put it with beans on the cuban bread and ate it as much as you can,,,reason it workes was:

FREE APPROACH ,,LOW PRICE,,ALL NONE CONTROLLED ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROIDS,,

so mr vince like to talk about how special he was and his training thecnics while in reality you can see what he was now days when you take a look at him A NO ONE,,HE WAS A VERY AVERAGE PHYSIQE THAT WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT TODAY WHAT YOU SEE IS NO AND I SAY IT AGAIN NO IMPACT ON OF HIS WORK THEOUGH OUT THE YEARS THAT PAST,,THERE IS SIMPLY NO MUSCLE LEFT,,seekevin if he take his shirt off still looks like a bodybuilder trust me on that ,,,any one of the oldies take samir and zane for example ...they still look like lifters,,,vince on the other hand DOESNT! and that shows you more than anything else that he was using aas and was using as much as he needed to his genetic limitation,,,if he had the genetic repsonse to be bigger he would get bigger,,he COULDNT,,this is what god gave him and thats the buttom line and he KNOWS IT and is bitter

I have to disagree with the great GH15 on this one. I have personally seen someone gain over 15 pounds of solid, bloat-free muscle from taking only 10 mg of Dianabol a day. However that person trained extremely hard, ate perfectly and by the way this gain was only in 6 weeks. 10mg of D-bol can put a person into positive nitrogen balance. I know someone that did 8 weeks of only 1 50 mg tab of Primobolin acetate, a very mild steroid and made tremendous gains. Did they look like current pros? No. But good gains can be made on small doses if the training and diet are good. I haven't used anabolics in over 16 years but even at 5'9 and only weighing a lean 195, a lot of people ask me if I'm on drugs. Back in the 80's when I competed, I did a few very mild cycles and made great gains as well.  One pre contest cycle was only 15 mg of winstrol a day combined with 200 mg of primobolin a week and I came in at a cut 190 at  24 years old. If I had been natural at the time I would have only weighed about 175. My point is that small doses can work if you train properly, diet correctly and have decent genetics.

[Moosejay]

Chem...your post mirrors my experiences almost exactly...only I am 5'11"...and I agree with you and go against the esteemed GH15...

[WillGrant]

Hank/Vince left this part off,2 x Dinabol EVERY 2 HOURS 

[Chick]

This place is amazing because one can interact with the luminaries in the sport.

What an honour to have gh15 critique my physique from 38 years ago and tell everyone what I did and didn't take re anabolic steroids! Unbelievable!

The test of truth here is NOT what some gutless anonymous dude claims with his nonsense ideas and theories. There is no way I can prove what I did but why should I have to? Bob doesn't have enough courage to disclose what drugs he took in his career but suggests that I took more than I did. Now gh15 says the same thing. Am I to conclude that my physique in 1970 owned nothing to Dianabol if I took only 2 Dianabol tablets a day for a couple of months?

We knew the risks then because Ciba published a list of the contraindications inside each box of Dianabol. I researched the anabolics in the literature and other steroids were more effective but I wasn't willing to try any of them and no way I would try Durabolin or Deca because it was injectable. For someone to make conclusions based of a few photos 35 years later is preposterous. I don't look that great because I am lazy and hate training. I used to do some squats but I dislike the free weight room and all the clanging that goes on there. I train maybe half an hour a week on arms and mostly triceps. Sometimes I do close grip lat pulldowns. I know how my body will respond and what I have to do and keep doing and it just doesn't seem worth all that effort. I keep telling myself to get in shape for next year. Then I have nagging injuries from the past that make training unpleasant at times. I tore a biceps in 1978 and haven't felt like training since.

Whether I took mild dosages of Dianabol 38 years ago is irrelevant to what is occurring in modern day professional bodybuilding. Bob argues that it is okay and a personal choice to take steroids and anything else one wants. I find it astonishing that anyone associated with a bodybuilding organization can utter those words. Yet, he comes back and continues to try to shift the blame on guys like me. Talk about having nerve! Bob is in a position to do something positive for the sport and what does he do? He tries to justify the use of steroids.

Here is Bob's argument.
1. The fans want to see huge, freaky musclemen.
2. Growth drugs are needed to get this big.
3. No one cares what bodybuilders do.
4. The IFBB chooses not to test the professionals.
5. Therefore it is necessary to take drugs and guys like me should stay out of it and keep quiet.

What Bob doesn't say is:
6. If the guys don't take drugs they won't be that big.
7. If the IFBB tested rigorously the top guys would go and compete elsewhere.
8. The Mr Olympia wouldn't be the top contest, nor would the Arnold be the next most prestigious show.
9. Those contests wouldn't be popular and thus no one could make a profit promoting them.
10. The IFBB wouldn't receive the large fees that they charge to stage contests.

This is basically what is behind all the crap happening. If all the pros are using then they surely can't have many show up for the Olympia if it was rigorously and honestly tested complete with surprise testing in the lead up.

Seems to me there is no easy solution here. The sport is stuffed and Bob knows it. Well, he is doing pretty good considering he is a third tier guy. No wonder he defends the status quo. I am literally threatening his income if things change. I guess we are going to see more of the same because no one can get the professionals out of this mess.

 Basile...Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief.

The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules or took a few liberties with some anabolics -- we did. But you can't hold a whole federation responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole federation and the judging system? And if the whole federation and judging system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our bodybuilding institutions in general? I put it to you, Basile ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can say what you want to me, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!

 Gentlemen!

[Van_Bilderass]

Seems to me there is no easy solution here. The sport is stuffed and Bob knows it.

How stupid are you? You're right, there's no solution to the drug issue. The cat is out of the bag, like Chick has repeatedly been saying. So why do you keep crying about it, what do you expect Chick to do? There is nothing to be done other than to accept it.

[dr.chimps]

 Basile...Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief.

The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules or took a few liberties with some anabolics -- we did. But you can't hold a whole federation responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole federation and the judging system? And if the whole federation and judging system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our bodybuilding institutions in general? I put it to you, Basile ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can say what you want to me, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!

 Gentlemen!

+2 for Animal House reference.

[dearth]

No bob, you have not answered the question. Since you like double talking / flip flopping so much,
I'm sure that in your little drugged up mind, that you've answered the question.

again -
if you are retired, whats the problem revealing your cycles?

I find it amusing that you even use the word intellect, when clearly have difficulty comprehending it, or comprehending period. Then again you consider a nubain addict "too smart for his own good".

The question has already been answered, meathead...go look it up in this thread. see if you can put two and two together.

Whats embarassing is your level of intellect...

[knny187]

Maybe he just doesn't want to & also doesn't want to feel responsible for someone following a cycle he used.

Also....I don't believe Bob has said he's 100% retired.   he just says he doesn't have any current plans to compete.

[IronFan]

Maybe he just doesn't want to & also doesn't want to feel responsible for someone following a cycle he used.

Also....I don't believe Bob has said he's 100% retired.   he just says he doesn't have any current plans to compete.

Ditto.  He didn't have to say anything on the subject.  Props for what he has said, and props to Vince for setting the record straight.

[Vince B]

 Basile...Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief.

The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules or took a few liberties with some anabolics -- we did. But you can't hold a whole federation responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole federation and the judging system? And if the whole federation and judging system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our bodybuilding institutions in general? I put it to you, Basile ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can say what you want to me, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!

 Gentlemen!

Bob, you obviously appreciate that I am your master. Get a clue and cut the crap. You can bullshit all day long, just like Goodrum. Don't come here with lame posts about your innocence. Resign from that silly position you have and get some self-respect back. The IFBB is corrupt and the judges are stooges for them. Well, most must be. Suits you though, because they gave you a gift. You should and do defend them to the end.

The IFBB and those who run it are responsible for the current pathetic drug invested subculture and are doing bugger all about it. Don't come here trying to shift the blame on stellar guys like me. I have been fighting for decades against those who use drugs in sport and bodybuilding. It is illegal in your great country for healthy men and women and athletes to use anabolic steroids because they are banned substances and you come on here trying to defend your usage. Shame on you, Bob. Shame on the IFBB.

[dr.chimps]

Bob, you obviously appreciate that I am your master. Get a clue and cut the crap. You can bullshit all day long, just like Goodrum. Don't come here with lame posts about your innocence. Resign from that silly position you have and get some self-respect back. The IFBB is corrupt and the judges are stooges for them. Well, most must be. Suits you though, because they gave you a gift. You should and do defend them to the end.

The IFBB and those who run it are responsible for the current pathetic drug invested subculture and are doing bugger all about it. Don't come here trying to shift the blame on stellar guys like me. I have been fighting drugs in sport for decades. It is illegal in your great country for healthy men and women and athletes to use anabolic steroids because they are banned substances and you come on here trying to defend your usage. Shame on you, Bob. Shame on the IFBB.

Vince. Vince. Vince. 

[Vince B]

What, Dr C, don't you like my sense of humour?

[knny187]

Bob, you obviously appreciate that I am your master. Get a clue and cut the crap. You can bullshit all day long, just like Goodrum. Don't come here with lame posts about your innocence. Resign from that silly position you have and get some self-respect back. The IFBB is corrupt and the judges are stooges for them. Well, most must be. Suits you though, because they gave you a gift. You should and do defend them to the end.

The IFBB and those who run it are responsible for the current pathetic drug invested subculture and are doing bugger all about it. Don't come here trying to shift the blame on stellar guys like me. I have been fighting drugs in sport for decades. It is illegal in your great country for healthy men and women and athletes to use anabolic steroids because they are banned substances and you come on here trying to defend your usage. Shame on you, Bob. Shame on the IFBB.

You are a part of the problem

How come you didn't make a stand & not take the little 2 tablets back in the day?

[IronFan]

How come you didn't make a stand & not take the little 2 tablets back in the day?

Well, we all make mistakes.

Perhaps the thing to do is to strictly and randomly test the amateur ranks to keep them from getting too much invested if they reach the pros.  This would save the health of many kids who only see dollar signs, girls, or ripped physiques.  This should go for the amateur ranks in all other such sports.  Caminiti and Benoit wish they never heard of it.

[Vince B]

Some of you guys don't know the history. Nobody was saying they took steroids even if they did. It was all denial. So, there was no 'problem' back then.

Compare that with today. Bob won't or can't disclose what he took. That says it all because he would be ashamed to specify what he took. It diminishes his physique plenty. Today those drugs and others are illegal and there are rules against using. There were no such rules in the old days. The only risk was the health one. That is another reason why nobody was saying they took steroids. When Tom Sansone died at a relatively young age people wondered about his steroid usage. Some who knew him said it wasn't the cause. It still raises doubts.

Bob is totally unable to recognize that there is a problem because he is rationalizing the steroids to please the fans or some such rubbish. He is in a position to do something but would be seen as a confederate if he did.

[WillGrant]

You are a part of the problem

How come you didn't make a stand & not take the little 2 tablets Every two hours

[TechnoViking]

No bob, you have not answered the question. Since you like double talking / flip flopping so much,
I'm sure that in your little drugged up mind, that you've answered the question.

again -
if you are retired, whats the problem revealing your cycles?

I find it amusing that you even use the word intellect, when clearly have difficulty comprehending it, or comprehending period. Then again you consider a nubain addict "too smart for his own good".

why would you want him to reveal his cycles? Vince himself stats that he tried dball just a once in his lifetime but there are 400 pound fat woman that say he has the nuts of raisens to this day...We all know that using dball once would not make this happen...So either Vince the "natural guru" is lying about his drug use or Vince is alittle light in the manmilk...Considering the shot he has of a front double bicep in this thread, my guess is that he used his fair share of drugs and the fact is that he just didn't respond to them like many others in his era...Which is why to this day he is so against them...

[New Hank Wood]

I have been fighting drugs in sport for decades..

Basile, this is a big statement!

You have been fighting drugs in sport for decades? Hmmmmm.