More or less than this for shoulders.

[Painlayer69]

Ok thanx alot triple

[candidizzle]

i think a natural is best off only training 3 times per week.

a split like this

monday chest shoulders triceps

wednesday  back biceps hamstrings

friday  quads calves

[chaos]

i think a natural is best off only training 3 times per week.

a split like this

monday chest shoulders triceps

wednesday  back biceps hamstrings

friday  quads calves

Too much per day for a natural. Most surely would burn out on that much work.


Are you sure you know everything

[candidizzle]

Too much per day for a natural. Most surely would burn out on that much work.


Are you sure you know everything

NO THAT WOULD BE H.I.T. STYLE TRAINING THERE BRO ! 

[chaos]

NO THAT WOULD BE H.I.T. STYLE TRAINING THERE BRO ! 

Not for a natural, not if they are actually working out

Chest, shoulders, triceps?........How effective do you think you could train triceps after using them on chest and shoulders? How effective could you train shoulders after pounding chest?

Remember, candidildo, we're talking a natural, not a doped up junkie like yourself.

[Painlayer69]

Could a split like this work effectively enough?

Monday chest/back/abs

wednesday tris/bis

friday shoulders/legs/abs

[triple_pickle]

well, it is possible to do a split suggested by candidizzle, i tried it once and it takes a couple of weeks to adjust to it, especially to hitting shoulders after chest but it is doable.  of course, you cut down on the number of sets.

the other split, i would do chest & back, shoulders & arms, and legs.  it is possible to do quick supersets for arms after legs, but usually i am too tired after legs to do anything.

[Painlayer69]

Yeah thats why i put legs after shoulders on the last day, legs fuckin kill me

[candidizzle]

Not for a natural, not if they are actually working out

Chest, shoulders, triceps?........How effective do you think you could train triceps after using them on chest and shoulders? How effective could you train shoulders after pounding chest?

Remember, candidildo, we're talking a natural, not a doped up junkie like yourself.

the tone in which your making your statements is quite funny to me, chaos; becaus ei can tell you ACTUALLY believe you know what your talking about.


lol


h.i.t training bro. not high volume.   

and yes, that is BECAUSE they are natural. i wouldnt recommend this kind of training for some who was on gear.  gear= hormones.  h.i.t = hormones.  high volume= satellite cell activation. no hormones.    satellite cells are no good without hormones. you can grow without satellite cells, you cant grow without hormones.    so for a nhatural, stimulate the hormones. = h.i.t  3 times per week.


now please shut up conehead

[haider]

h.i.t. is more like a fullbody workout 3x a week for "teh hormonal boost", candi.

[candidizzle]

h.i.t. is more like a fullbody workout 3x a week for "teh hormonal boost", candi.

i think that would lead to over training though. but i know what your saying.

[MisterMagoo]

candy, chaos is, no joke, twice your muscular size. you've lost a lot of weight and you're quite lean, but if you're arguing with chaos about what will build muscle you've picked the wrong sparring partner.

[candidizzle]

candy, chaos is, no joke, twice your muscular size. you've lost a lot of weight and you're quite lean, but if you're arguing with chaos about what will build muscle you've picked the wrong sparring partner.

okay post up a pic of chaos as a natural, dont care what age, and we will compare him as a natural to me as a 16 year old natural who had been training for a year and a half.  we will see who knows what.

.....


im waiting

[chaos]

okay post up a pic of chaos as a natural, dont care what age, and we will compare him as a natural to me as a 16 year old natural who had been training for a year and a half.  we will see who knows what.

.....


im waiting

Here's the only pic you'll see of me tiny, 270, 6'2".  What is your ht/wt again?

[MisterMagoo]

Here's the only pic you'll see of me tiny, 270, 6'2".  What is your ht/wt again?

well now he's claimed that when he was at his biggest (a time which he has no pictures of, conveniently enough), he looked a lot bigger and stronger than me, so he may have even been bigger than you.

i'm reminded of an old joke:

you spy a dollar at the middle of a stretch of road. at one end is candidizzle weighing 240 pounds and looking thick and solid. at another is pumpster looking like an NPC competitor. who gets it first?

answer: you do, because the other two AREN'T REAL.

[chaos]

well now he's claimed that when he was at his biggest (a time which he has no pictures of, conveniently enough), he looked a lot bigger and stronger than me, so he may have even been bigger than you.

i'm reminded of an old joke:

you spy a dollar at the middle of a stretch of road. at one end is candidizzle weighing 240 pounds and looking thick and solid. at another is pumpster looking like an NPC competitor. who gets it first?

answer: you do, because the other two AREN'T REAL.

LOL, I'm copying this because I'm sure it will be deleted soon.

[candidizzle]

Here's the only pic you'll see of me tiny, 270, 6'2".  What is your ht/wt again?

what a monster... 

[MisterMagoo]

what a monster... 

270 and you can see the line on his tricep in that goofy pose.

yes, i would say that qualifies as "pretty fucking big".

[pumpster]

Beevis and Buthead Chaos and Magoo are trolling again while backslapping one another like goons. Contribute training advice kidz.

[chaos]

what a monster... 

And where were your sats and comparison pic

okay post up a pic of chaos as a natural, dont care what age, and we will compare him as a natural to me as a 16 year old natural who had been training for a year and a half.  we will see who knows what.

.....


im waiting

I'm waiting.........

[candidizzle]

270 and you can see the line on his tricep in that goofy pose.

yes, i would say that qualifies as "pretty fucking big".

call it what you will

[candidizzle]

And where were your sats and comparison pic

I'm waiting.........

i dont know if i have a shot in a tank top from 50 yards away doing an epic thumbs up pose to hide my sunken chest..


this is the closest thing i have got to that and im either 16 or 17 here

[MisterMagoo]

call it what you will

you're falling into the trap of thinking anyone with a little more BF than you has either as much or less muscle than you do, if only they'd diet down.

this is incorrect, and it would be a GOOD idea to avoid continuing in that vein. you get plenty of props for building a good body out of what was initially the stay-puft marshmallow man, but don't let that go to your head and believe that you've got more muscle than anyone who argues with you.

BTW, there is not one shot of you where you look remotely as large as chaos. not one. even your best picture looking the biggest you can find, it is incredibly obvious he has a lot more muscle than you do. please, accept this. it is not debatable.

[candidizzle]

lol i just realized how blurry that is okay heres one from that same day just less blurry.....  i dont know whats up with the blur on that shot

[candidizzle]

hahah i guess i must have hated the way i looked blurred out those shots.. okay well let me see,,, got any back shots?  these i am 17