Blockhead's anti-supplement rant

[Blockhead]

It is the opposite i think...Pros on the sauce use more legal supplements then the average joe...I have heard many times that steroids increase the body's response to protein in using it for muscle growth...So it would make sense to use as much supplementation protein wise then someone off the sauce...

Someone off the sauce using the same supplements as a pro is more or less wasting money....

Pretty good analysis. For the most part this is the case theoretically but every single IFBB Pro I ever spoke to, spent time with and been around say the same thing. They never use supplements and usually 9 out of 10 times haven't consumed a single protein shake in years.

 The supplement industry thrives on the people interested in general health and making up deficiencies through supplementation and the SPORTS supplementation which bank of the uninformed, unintelligent, inexperienced newbie.

 Only people from age 16-22 use MuscleTech, which is a huge number of newbs getting into the sport to get laid.

 The TWINK up above who said that people who use supplements do so to "get that edge" because they don't want to resort to using something illegal is downright gullibility and falsehood.

 The only supplements that actually did anything are now banned in the U.S. (1-test products and ephedra).

 The moral of the story is that these companies know how enthusiastic young guys are into the idea of getting more pussy so they promise a better more attractive and powerful body next to their fat disgusting beer swollen friend they hire Johnny IFBB Pro to "pretend" that the product is amazing.

 Cutler using HALO or Nitrotech or Adaplon-AnatorP70creakicTech is as believable as the Tooth Fairy.

 When Cutler comes to Chicago to guest pose I know who he stays with and that person confirms he doesn't use a single supplement. He eats a hell of a lot of food that's for damn sure.

 I pray the newbs reading this learns something.

 Thanks, Musclephone!

 Thanks, Howie.

[candidizzle]

Pretty good analysis. For the most part this is the case theoretically but every single IFBB Pro I ever spoke to, spent time with and been around say the same thing. They never use supplements and usually 9 out of 10 times haven't consumed a single protein shake in years.

 The supplement industry thrives on the people interested in general health and making up deficiencies through supplementation and the SPORTS supplementation which bank of the uninformed, unintelligent, inexperienced newbie.

 Only people from age 16-22 use MuscleTech, which is a huge number of newbs getting into the sport to get laid.

 The TWINK up above who said that people who use supplements do so to "get that edge" because they don't want to resort to using something illegal is downright gullibility and falsehood.

 The only supplements that actually did anything are now banned in the U.S. (1-test products and ephedra).

 The moral of the story is that these companies know how enthusiastic young guys are into the idea of getting more pussy so they promise a better more attractive and powerful body next to their fat disgusting beer swollen friend they hire Johnny IFBB Pro to "pretend" that the product is amazing.

 Cutler using HALO or Nitrotech or Adaplon-AnatorP70creakicTech is as believable as the Tooth Fairy.

 When Cutler comes to Chicago to guest pose I know who he stays with and that person confirms he doesn't use a single supplement. He eats a hell of a lot of food that's for damn sure.

 I pray the newbs reading this learns something.

 Thanks, Musclephone!

 Thanks, Howie.

ok mr. beacon of truth...  LOL..    everybodys an expert...hahaha uncle fester with swimmer physique..hahaha

[Blockhead]

ok mr. beacon of truth...  LOL..    everybodys an expert...hahaha uncle fester with swimmer physique..hahaha

Dude. Now I'm gonna be up all night now, man. Damnit. Thanks...thanks, man. I appreciate that.

[candidizzle]

Dude. Now I'm gonna be up all night now, man. Damnit. Thanks...thanks, man. I appreciate that.

hahahahah      ok  that was  good, realy ... props on that.  normally your wigger shit gets old but that was funnny props 

[bebop396]

Much more enjoyable to get the same amount of protein out of a steak, then a protein shake....The pros can afford all that good food, and protein shakes are for the poor....Sounds not so outlandish to me....The pros also have metabolisms of that of a race horse, so all that good food goes to feed muscle growth...

Lets say they eat every two or three hours, and each meal consists of steak, chicken, or fish....That is a hell of a lot of protein in one day...In the mags they say some of those meals are protein shakes...Substitute instead that meal with something good to eat with lots of protein....

What does the typical guy who does not lift or exercise, get in for protein a day you think? I would say under 50 grams, and if they eat only one or two meals, then put that around 30 grams....Pros and amateurs get over a 100 grams in a day...I would be in some fantasy world if i could eat that much food without getting fat....

If it is true that steroids increase metabolism dramatically, then i guess if i was on the sauce it might be a good idea to eat that much....

Another thing to ponder on...I dont think Trey Brewer got as fat as he was on protein shakes...If you watch some of his older videos, he says he LOVES to eat...Imagine how many chicken breasts, steaks, he takes in, in a day...Jay Cutler even gets up at two or so in the morning to eat, if that is indeed true...

[swilkins1984]

Aplodan is just creatine and ALA and it activates dormant muscle fibers. 

[bebop396]

Also, from my own experience, i have made a lot more strenght and size gains from eating food, then all the protein shakes in the world...Makes me wonder if what they say is in those powders, is really in there....

[G o a t b o y]

Also, from my own experience, i have made a lot more strenght and size gains from eating food, then all the protein shakes in the world...Makes me wonder if what they say is in those powders, is really in there....

Buy some of those liquid eggs whites Bob pimps...  at least you know it's real food.

[Blockhead]

Much more enjoyable to get the same amount of protein out of a steak, then a protein shake....The pros can afford all that good food, and protein shakes are for the poor....Sounds not so outlandish to me....The pros also have metabolisms of that of a race horse, so all that good food goes to feed muscle growth...

Lets say they eat every two or three hours, and each meal consists of steak, chicken, or fish....That is a hell of a lot of protein in one day...In the mags they say some of those meals are protein shakes...Substitute instead that meal with something good to eat with lots of protein....

What does the typical guy who does not lift or exercise, get in for protein a day you think? I would say under 50 grams, and if they eat only one or two meals, then put that around 30 grams....Pros and amateurs get over a 100 grams in a day...I would be in some fantasy world if i could eat that much food without getting fat....

If it is true that steroids increase metabolism dramatically, then i guess if i was on the sauce it might be a good idea to eat that much....

Another thing to ponder on...I dont think Trey Brewer got as fat as he was on protein shakes...If you watch some of his older videos, he says he LOVES to eat...Imagine how many chicken breasts, steaks, he takes in, in a day...Jay Cutler even gets up at two or so in the morning to eat, if that is indeed true...

Exactly. Protein supplements are fun and kind of convenient but they are only for if you absolutely, positively cannot get to real solid food. It's the 'back of the bus' option of food.

 EVERY IFBB Pro I know have zero clue what the fuck 'NoXPlode' or BrandX nitrousN.O.Superduperpla sma Pump does as they never ever once ever even bothered using it.

 There are TWO distinct difference between supplement users and those who do NOT use supplements and rely on food. HUGE difference.

 Think about it.

[candidizzle]

Much more enjoyable to get the same amount of protein out of a steak, then a protein shake....The pros can afford all that good food, and protein shakes are for the poor....Sounds not so outlandish to me....The pros also have metabolisms of that of a race horse, so all that good food goes to feed muscle growth...

Lets say they eat every two or three hours, and each meal consists of steak, chicken, or fish....That is a hell of a lot of protein in one day...In the mags they say some of those meals are protein shakes...Substitute instead that meal with something good to eat with lots of protein....

What does the typical guy who does not lift or exercise, get in for protein a day you think? I would say under 50 grams, and if they eat only one or two meals, then put that around 30 grams....Pros and amateurs get over a 100 grams in a day...I would be in some fantasy world if i could eat that much food without getting fat....

If it is true that steroids increase metabolism dramatically, then i guess if i was on the sauce it might be a good idea to eat that much....

Another thing to ponder on...I dont think Trey Brewer got as fat as he was on protein shakes...If you watch some of his older videos, he says he LOVES to eat...Imagine how many chicken breasts, steaks, he takes in, in a day...Jay Cutler even gets up at two or so in the morning to eat, if that is indeed true...

OKAY HERES SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER

wow bro you certainly SOUND like you know what your talking about but DAMN.. are you retarded? LOL

first off you can eat all the protein you want its not gonna make you fat. you might store some of wha your body aabsorbs as fat, but a netfat gain? hell no. ever hear of thermic effect of feeding? you know what the conversion ratio of protein to carbs is?   

i dont care if your an amatuuer bodybuilder totally natural at 160 with endo tendencies...  eat all the fucking solid protein you can !  like you said, the average guys eats FAR TOO LITTLE protien.   yo ever actually eat 400 grams of solid protein in one day? or for several days in a row? that is a shit load of food brother!

you say trey didnt get fat on prottein shakes? LOL... like protein shakes would have less of a tendency to make you fat that whole food. WHEY IS PREDIGESTED..that huge thermic effect of that protein gives you..GONE with protein shakes...    and you drink 50 grams protein, *whey*... those 50 grams are ALL in your system AT ONCE.. your gonna store some protein as fat thats when it owuld be.. not when youve got about 10 grams in there at once .. a rate much mroe closely tied to how whople food protein slowly digests

[bebop396]

OKAY HERES SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER

wow bro you certainly SOUND like you know what your talking about but DAMN.. are you retarded? LOL

first off you can eat all the protein you want its not gonna make you fat. you might store some of wha your body aabsorbs as fat, but a netfat gain? hell no. ever hear of thermic effect of feeding? you know what the conversion ratio of protein to carbs is?   

i dont care if your an amatuuer bodybuilder totally natural at 160 with endo tendencies...  eat all the fucking solid protein you can !  like you said, the average guys eats FAR TOO LITTLE protien.   yo ever actually eat 400 grams of solid protein in one day? or for several days in a row? that is a shit load of food brother!

you say trey didnt get fat on prottein shakes? LOL... like protein shakes would have less of a tendency to make you fat that whole food. WHEY IS PREDIGESTED..that huge thermic effect of that protein gives you..GONE with protein shakes...    and you drink 50 grams protein, *whey*... those 50 grams are ALL in your system AT ONCE.. your gonna store some protein as fat thats when it owuld be.. not when youve got about 10 grams in there at once .. a rate much mroe closely tied to how whople food protein slowly digests

mmhmm

[DOGGCRAPP]

,,with out hormones tropopin would sit home eating nachos and  woulnt step on stage,,with out hormones that moron kid lunch? whatever his name is wouldnt walk around 280lb he would be sitting at 220 in a good day at 18-20%,,

Gh15 I dont think you should be stating matter of fact statements about people just because it suits your argument. Troponin was just out here in Cali with me a short time ago. His last show was the 2007 USA in July and off.....its now May 2008. Coming up on a year now clean as a whistle but the guy can walk around 260-270 any day of the week with veins up and down his arms and as big as a house. I know many a huge amateur that is 300 on and 265-275 off. Im sorry that Getbig as a whole only can believe that steroids either make or break a bodybuilder but its not true. Maybe for the guys who are hi rep blood pumping bodybuilders who dont put their time in lifting back breaking heavy weights in their training.....those guys disengrate. But not the heavy slag lifting guys who built that thickness through poundages lifted over the years. Do you honestly think that people like Jay Cutler and Victor Richards and other mesomorphic bodybuilders are going to go from a thick offseason 300 pounds down to a paltry 215lbs if they kept everything else the same (heavy lifting, eating etc) and only removed hormonal help?  Not a chance in hell. This board uses Tom Prince as its calling card for this very argument....a guy on kidney dialysis who HAS to reduce his bodyweight dramatically or whats the other choice? Or he dies. Hmmm I would say thats a good enough reason to give up all lifting and eating like a bodybuilder and reduce your bodyweight to 185lbs or so. But take a normal mesomorphic beast (and especially one who has been at a certain muscular size and bodyweight for a long long time with chemical help*****and therein is the key to all this) and remove only the chemical help and you will see that person lose some weight and look smoother but in no way disenegrate (unless thats the choice they themselves decide to make)

[gordiano]

90% of the people who read this board or getting in a gym remotely resembling bodybuilder are on the real deal which is hormones

9% are playing with m1t and pro hormones and all kind of igfs none controled in america type of products liquid clen liquid this liquid that

the rest 1%  dont train

Speak for yourself.....

[Disgusted]

Funny how Arnold always shrunk up bigtime after some of his later shows and he by his own words never stopped lifting even after he retired.

[candidizzle]

Funny how Arnold always shrunk up bigtime after some of his later shows and he by his own words never stopped lifting even after he retired.

arnold lifted pussy ass weights and did little-girl pump sets ,,,,   we must then assume, IF we listen to dante

[Disgusted]

arnold lifted pussy ass weights and did little-girl pump sets ,,,,   we must then assume, IF we listen to dante

Yeah and he was most certainly a genetic freak if there ever was one wouldn't you agree?  Now, there are some guys walking around today with more muscle with nowhere near the physique that Arnold had. Wonder why? 

[gordiano]

Pretty good analysis. For the most part this is the case theoretically but every single IFBB Pro I ever spoke to, spent time with and been around say the same thing. They never use supplements and usually 9 out of 10 times haven't consumed a single protein shake in years.

 The supplement industry thrives on the people interested in general health and making up deficiencies through supplementation and the SPORTS supplementation which bank of the uninformed, unintelligent, inexperienced newbie.

 Only people from age 16-22 use MuscleTech, which is a huge number of newbs getting into the sport to get laid.

 The TWINK up above who said that people who use supplements do so to "get that edge" because they don't want to resort to using something illegal is downright gullibility and falsehood.

 The only supplements that actually did anything are now banned in the U.S. (1-test products and ephedra).

 The moral of the story is that these companies know how enthusiastic young guys are into the idea of getting more pussy so they promise a better more attractive and powerful body next to their fat disgusting beer swollen friend they hire Johnny IFBB Pro to "pretend" that the product is amazing.

 Cutler using HALO or Nitrotech or Adaplon-AnatorP70creakicTech is as believable as the Tooth Fairy.

 When Cutler comes to Chicago to guest pose I know who he stays with and that person confirms he doesn't use a single supplement. He eats a hell of a lot of food that's for damn sure.

 I pray the newbs reading this learns something.

 Thanks, Musclephone!

 Thanks, Howie.

Thanks for your honesty, my brother.

[candidizzle]

Yeah and he was most certainly a genetic freak if there ever was one wouldn't you agree?  Now, there are some guys walking around today with more muscle with nowhere near the physique that Arnold had. Wonder why? 

i thought it was cuz they trained h.i.t. and stretched afterwards?     

[Disgusted]

i thought it was cuz they trained h.i.t. and stretched afterwards?     

or that too. 

[DOGGCRAPP]

well i guess if you two can only walk around at 215 clean after 10-20 years of lifting (which is pretty much what you are saying to me) then it sucks to be you.

[Disgusted]

well i guess if you two can only walk around at 215 clean after 10-20 years of lifting (which is pretty much what you are saying to me) then it sucks to be you.

Must suck to be Arnold which is exactly what he weighed in the offseason and early into his retirement.

[G o a t b o y]

well i guess if you two can only walk around at 215 clean after 10-20 years of lifting (which is pretty much what you are saying to me) then it sucks to be you.

Unless you're over 6', why would you want to weigh more than that (assuming low bodyfat, a novel concept for you)?

[Van_Bilderass]

Troponin was just out here in Cali with me a short time ago. His last show was the 2007 USA in July and off.....its now May 2008. Coming up on a year now clean as a whistle but the guy can walk around 260-270 any day of the week with veins up and down his arms and as big as a house.

What kind of clean is he? The type of clean you used to talk about... only using a bit of test i.e. "cruising"? Maybe a little insulin and megadoses of growth like Jay does, according to rumors, when he takes a couple of weeks off steroids? 

Please stop the BS Dante 

Do you honestly think that people like Jay Cutler and Victor Richards and other mesomorphic bodybuilders are going to go from a thick offseason 300 pounds down to a paltry 215lbs if they kept everything else the same (heavy lifting, eating etc) and only removed hormonal help?

Well Vic Richards said he was clean and not even training when he did the famous posedown at FIBO. I bet you believe that too. 

[DOGGCRAPP]

What kind of clean is he? The type of clean you used to talk about... only using a bit of test i.e. "cruising"? Maybe a little insulin and megadoses of growth like Jay does, according to rumors, when he takes a couple of weeks off steroids? 

Please stop the BS Dante 

Just the kind of clean.... that he was talking about trying to find the most rigorously tested natural show and doing it.

[Captain Equipoise]

Protein shakes and supplements are bullshit, a few years ago I stopped taking all supplements and shakes and just concentrating on eating lots of good food, I actually made better gains then any other years where I was having 2-3 shakes a day on top of my meals. Bunch of scammer bullshit.

There is no substitute for good food (and/or good gear