Blockhead's anti-supplement rant

[michael arvilla]

Mike's typical reply when Laura nags him to stop "livin' the dream" and go get a real job:

                                   ................just waitin for a supplement company to "pick me up"/then were living on easy street!!

[Howard]

                                   ................just waitin for a supplement company to "pick me up"/then were living on easy street!!

Oh well , it is better dream than doing the gay4pay deal anyway hehe

[MCWAY]

Duchaine had shit genetics.  You need good genetics to begin with (both base genetics and genetic response to drugs) to become a pro.  You can't just take any gym rat, pump him full of gear, and think he's going to turn into Ronnie Coleman.  That doesn't change the fact that pros would be a shell of their current selves without drugs.   You want to see what a guy with outstanding pro-level genetics but no access to drugs looks like?  Take a look at the bodybuilding champs from the 1940's.  Oh, wait...  don't tell me...  the pros today also have Muscletech, right? 

Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. Genetic potential isn't always evident on the surface. Look at Lou Ferrigno. Would anyone really think he could transform himself into a 315-lb monster at age 41, from looking at those pictures of him as a teenager?

As for Duchaine, did he discipline himself and keep that diet on point? Did he make alterations to gain mass and size? Did he experiment with different training regimes?

Frank Zane and Franco Columbu weren't exactly genetic marvels, either; Yet both have multiple Mr. Olympias to their credit. And, (although he only did it once) the guy who supposedly looked like a "swimmer" DEFEATED Arnold Schwarzenegger in competition.

As another Mr O. is fond of saying, "Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight." I'll extend that further.

Don't nobody want to eat that heavy food (day in, day out; week in, week out; month in, month out; year in, year out). Don't nobody want to sleep, instead of party. Don't nobody want to experiement with different training regimes, because (in their mind) there's only one way to train.

Don't nobody want to actually read the TRAINING and DIET articles of muscle magazines and actually give them a try, instead of affixing themselves to the Gossip columns and salivating on the lastest silicone/saline-stuff porn.....ahem....."fitness models".

That may have had more to do with a lack of Duchaine's success in bodybuilding that his allegedly poor genetics.

[MCWAY]

Funny how Arnold always shrunk up bigtime after some of his later shows and he by his own words never stopped lifting even after he retired.

Key word: RETIRED.

That means:

1) While Arnold was still lifting weights, he was not training to win world titles in bodybuilding.

2) His movie roles required him to be smaller than he was in his competiton prime. Remember that, after he won the 1974 Olympia, he dropped 30 pounds for his part in “Stay Hungry” (which is high irony, since he was portraying a bodybuilder in that film), 20 of which he regained for the 1975 Olympia and “Pumping Iron”.

3) Even with reduced size, some people STILL think that he was too big. Yet, it didn’t stop him in his acting career, which replaced bodybuilding as his primary focus.

[Howard]

Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. Genetic potential isn't always evident on the surface. Look at Lou Ferrigno. Would anyone really think he could transform himself into a 315-lb monster at age 41, from looking at those pictures of him as a teenager.

As for Duchaine, did he discipline himself and keep that diet on point? Did he make alterations to gain mass and size? Did he experiment with different training regimes.

Frank Zane and Franco Columbu weren't exactly genetic marvels, either; Yet both have multiple Mr. Olympias to their credit. And, (although he only did it once) the guy who supposedly looked like a "swimmer" DEFEATED Arnold Schwarzenegger in competition.

As another Mr O. is fond of saying, "Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight." I'll extend that further.

Don't nobody want to eat that heavy food (day in, day out; week in, week out; month in, month out; year in, year out). Don't nobody want to sleep, instead of party. Don't nobody want to experiement with different training regimes, because (in their mind) there's only one way to train.

Don't nobody want to actually read the TRAINING and DIET articles of muscle magazines and actually give them a try, instead of affixing themselves to the Gossip columns and salivating on the lastest silicone/saline-stuff porn.....ahem....."fitness models".

That may have had more to do with a lack of Duchaine's success in bodybuilding that his allegedly poor genetics.

Great post and I agree with most of it.
Kinda ironic how the guys that think it is all drugs , are the same ones that do a boatolad of drugs and never win anything ( like Duchaine).

[G o a t b o y]

Maybe he did; maybe he didn't. Genetic potential isn't always evident on the surface. Look at Lou Ferrigno. Would anyone really think he could transform himself into a 315-lb monster at age 41, from looking at those pictures of him as a teenager?

As for Duchaine, did he discipline himself and keep that diet on point? Did he make alterations to gain mass and size? Did he experiment with different training regimes?

Frank Zane and Franco Columbu weren't exactly genetic marvels, either; Yet both have multiple Mr. Olympias to their credit. And, (although he only did it once) the guy who supposedly looked like a "swimmer" DEFEATED Arnold Schwarzenegger in competition.

As another Mr O. is fond of saying, "Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight." I'll extend that further.

Don't nobody want to eat that heavy food (day in, day out; week in, week out; month in, month out; year in, year out). Don't nobody want to sleep, instead of party. Don't nobody want to experiement with different training regimes, because (in their mind) there's only one way to train.

Don't nobody want to actually read the TRAINING and DIET articles of muscle magazines and actually give them a try, instead of affixing themselves to the Gossip columns and salivating on the lastest silicone/saline-stuff porn.....ahem....."fitness models".

That may have had more to do with a lack of Duchaine's success in bodybuilding that his allegedly poor genetics.

So the champions of the 1940's were lazy in the gym and spent all their time on Getbig?   Gotcha. 

[Howard]

So the champions of the 1940's were lazy in the gym and spent all their time on Getbig?   Gotcha. 

But yu know they would have been on getbig , all the time if it did exist back then.

[G o a t b o y]

Key word: RETIRED.

That means:
2) His movie roles required him to be smaller than he was in his competiton prime.

Yeah, I'm sure that the casting directors for movies like "Conan the Barbarian", "Terminator", "Predator", et al were looking for a "smaller" guy without "too much muscle".   

[pellius]

Funny how Arnold always shrunk up bigtime after some of his later shows and he by his own words never stopped lifting even after he retired.

Yes, Arnold shrunk when off but does anyone think it matters, even just a little, that he also stopped training and eating like a bodybuilder? Say, he continued juicing but also stopped training and cut back his eating tremendously, do you think he still would have shrunk as much or would hormones alone he would keep his mass? What happens to a person off cycle but continues to train and eat like when he was on? It seems that with a lot of pros when they are off they are off everything, including training and nutrition. So instead of just "it's all drugs" could it also be "it's just all drugs, training and nutrition."

Of course, you need hormones, and lots of them, to get to the top. But you also need to train and to eat. Take out anyone of those factors and your not going to look like a bodybuilder let alone win anything.

[gh15]

Delayed shipment? So, you are a drug dealer?
Good luck

are you a child molster and pedofile? no right? so what are you throwing drug dealer out like that ,,you are a moron and not only you blame gh15 of something it doesnt do but you also used those so called drugs for big part of yuor life and still use them in cream form

i swear sometimes i think benz get to the right people skins,,howerd you demonstrate on a dailly basis,,gh15 described SITUATIONS from bodybuilding life styles that doesnt have anything to do with suppliers

[gh15]

gh15, you're so wrong. I was 240 lbs at 12% body fat last year before my injury, lifetime natural. Shows how wrong you are!!!

GH15 SAID MANY TIMES THAT EVERY INCH OF HEIGHT = 7 LB YOU ARE MOST LIKLEY NOT 5'10 OR 5'9
12% IS FARRRRRRRRR FROM SINGLE DIGIT AND IS NTO 10% EITHER
240LB IS USUALLY 232.5 ON DIGITAL SCALE WHEN WAKING UP IN THE AM
CLEN AND LITTLE IGF ,,,SOME RESEARCH PRODUCTS THAT ANY ONE CAN BUY AND ANY ONE USES BECAUSE THOSE COMPANIES MAKE GOOD MONEY ....THSOE PRODUCTS ARE CONSIDERED NATURAL  ALTHOUGH THEY ARE NOT ,,INFACT M1T WILL ACT VERY SIMILAR TO TESTOSTERONE IN BODY WITH MORE SIDE EFFECTS BUT STILL ON SOME PEOPEL PRO HORMONE WILL BOOST UP TEST

IN ANY CASE,,IF YOU WERE TRULY 240LB AT 5'10 12% ...YOU WOULD BE DANCING ON STAGES AT 197LB WINNING NPC SHOWS AS LIGHT HEAVY...YOURE NOT

[Brutal_1]

To be honest, threads like this are always very odd to me. 

I have a hard time grasping the mindset of a lot of the people involved in bodybuilding.  I'm very, very different than the majority of the people I meet in the sport.  I have many other things in my life besides bbing.  The majority of people here just have a different way of thinking than I do.  To be honest, I try not to think of bbing very often because the people in the sport depress me.  I can say how I feel on the subject, but people will continue on devoting their lives to convincing themselves their failures are not from faults of their own regardless of what I have to say. 

There are many interesting things in the world, and the fact that people are here debating things of this nature is very surreal to me.

Spoken like a man who lives outside the box...the bodybuilding box, that is. 


Still....no response to gh15's claims

[gh15]

Your comparing Dave's jacked pics to his coming out of jail pics.....whats that got to do with anything? Ones fully loaded with all the benefits of good food and lifting facilities and one isnt. You stated that when someone gets off the sauce they go right back down to their previous natural state limit which I absolutely disagree with. He got out of jail obviously on nothing, (with limited food and limited weight lifting capability in there...weighing 240 pounds or so at 5'9" - 5'10".....a far cry from his college natural days look isnt it? He didnt exactly revert back to his college look did he. Are you going to tell me if he was a lifetime natural that he would be able to stand at 240lbs with that same "out of prison" look.....if he was lifetime natural. No, performance enhancement has helped him get to a level that is beyond what he could of accomplished naturally.

dave palumbo is a criminal. the moment you walk into this side of society you can never distingwish anymore between lies and truth ...you just spit it out how ever sounds right to you inorder to get some kind of financial benefits from some kind of deal,,the problem here is that you came to the wrong place to preach your words ,,on getbig 90% of the fellas know what it takes ,,,know that palumbo had weight in prison,,know he was ther short time,,know he could get in pills as easy as saying it is tictacs ..do you understand that the ups mail in america deliver to houses in america every day 1000s of packages full fo drugs? fedex even usps all those mail carriers deliver pills like they were popsicles,,,loose packs ,,no one knows what it is no one has a lab to test it for all you know it is candy ,,,there are many ways to get shit you need in prison especially non controled stuff like igf that can be delivered no problem and it is exatly what palumbo look like ,,he look like ONE WEIRD LOOKING BLUB OF IGF,,in any case if he was on something and look like in this picture it is sad because he looks horrid and 190-200lb and only after few months in prison

palumbo is not good example for what you try to say ,,he didnt become a pro for a reason ,,he had a freak response to hormone but he didnt have the basics inorder to walk among the best,,,i could hav told him that in his college years ,,you can tell right there that he was not built for greatness in bodybuilding,,

he made his money from everything BUT competetive bodybuilding

[gh15]

Spoken like a man who lives outside the box...the bodybuilding box, that is. 


Still....no response to gh15's claims

trhere is no need for any response ,,the knowledge gh15 is right is deep sitting within the brains of true bodybuilders,,what wil one say? yea i know im like some locals night shift cops that own supplement stores and have some kind of gym inside and do nationals once a year? yea i know that 2 months off the goods i will be sitting 235lb in that small gym geting asked every 3 min what happened and getting  chalenged by 220lb begginers (1-2years or less on hormones) that are "gettigng there",,,??

in 2000 there was a rule in bodybuilding ,,we put a stop to it now days but there was this rule,,,the rule name was FOLLOW THE GYM BEG,,it was usually blue ,,in 2000 you knew that your life were dependent on that gym bag you knwo why?  i will tell you why

inside that gym bag there was your next cycle and products coming right out of mexico and later on china,,sometimes even human grades,,,your dealer that 240lb 12%....would have that gym bag on him when entering the gym...or he would keep it in his jeeps....that gym bag when you saw it you got a hard on...ofcourse internet came into picture and rest is history

but have no mistake friends....ALL OF THESE GUYS ESPECIALLY STATE LEVEL AND UP ARE ADDICTED TO HORMONES AND HAVE HUGEEEEEEEE DOWN FALLS WHEN GOING OFF,,BOITH MENTAL AND PHYSICAL

sadly as it sound since 2004 it also apply to local competitors,,

it is nothing like it used to be in the 1930s..40s friends,,,40s is long gone

[MCWAY]

Yeah, I'm sure that the casting directors for movies like "Conan the Barbarian", "Terminator", "Predator", et al were looking for a "smaller" guy without "too much muscle".   

What part of "smaller than he was in his competitive prime" did you not grasp? Name one of those movies where Arnold was as big as he was during his Mr. Olympia years.

So the champions of the 1940's were lazy in the gym and spent all their time on Getbig?   Gotcha. 

Who said they were lazy? In fact, they had better physiques than the guys here, lamenting about "all drugs".

With that said, did they eat as much bodybuilders do today?

What about training regimes? Do bodybuilders today train EXACTLY like those from the '40s?

And, wasn't their goal back then to be more of the "ideal" Greek physique, as opposed to being a supreme mass monster?

Take that into consideration, before you start rolling your eyes.

[Blockhead]

Duchaine had shit genetics.  You need good genetics to begin with (both base genetics and genetic response to drugs) to become a pro.  You can't just take any gym rat, pump him full of gear, and think he's going to turn into Ronnie Coleman.  That doesn't change the fact that pros would be a shell of their current selves without drugs.   You want to see what a guy with outstanding pro-level genetics but no access to drugs looks like?  Take a look at the bodybuilding champs from the 1940's.  Oh, wait...  don't tell me...  the pros today also have Muscletech, right? 

Good post.

 Some of the best NPC competitors that float around the National ranks here in the Midwest use only a fraction of what the guys who can't even win their class. Dan Duchaine even said no matter what he took he couldn't break 180lbs.

 HOWIE opened the can of worms, here using my name in the title. I don't mind but I am getting tired of the PM's asking me why I am now all "anti-supplements". I am very much NOT anti-supplement. They serve a purpose if you know when to apply the benefits. All I am saying is that the "PROS" don't ever use them nor do they probably know how. I am also saying I wish the supplement companies could be held more accountable for their claims and images. I am saying that suplements are NOT useless nor are they a waste of money if you keep them very in-general(protein, essential fatty acids, plain creatine, multi-vitamin etc...) and use them IN ADDITION TO.

 A jug of protein used to last me 10-12 days because I so had to have 3 shakes a day because FLEX Magazine said that you need 40g of whey in the morning before breakfast then you need 50g post-workout then you need 30-40g at bedtime. That was alot of cash I was spending. Now a jug of protein lasts me about 40 days. That's all I'm saying.

[gordiano]

A jug of protein used to last me 10-12 days because I so had to have 3 shakes a day because FLEX Magazine said that you need 40g of whey in the morning before breakfast then you need 50g post-workout then you need 30-40g at bedtime. That was alot of cash I was spending. Now a jug of protein lasts me about 40 days. That's all I'm saying.

LOL.....I know what you mean....

[candidizzle]

personally i drink whey pre and post workout thats it.. but for those purpouses, i dont think it is very useful... but like gh has said before, liquid egg whites  pretty much = whey

[Van_Bilderass]

Dan Duchaine even said no matter what he took he couldn't break 180lbs.

I'm not asking you to be disloyal  but listen to the Mike Zumpano interviews on No Bull radio. Zumpano said Duchaine, when they first met, was on 16 different bodybuilding drugs but complained he couldn't gain. Then he found out Duchaine was only eating 1800 calories a day LOL 

[Moen]

I'm not asking you to be disloyal  but listen to the Mike Zumpano interviews on No Bull radio. Zumpano said Duchaine, when they first met, was on 16 different bodybuilding drugs but complained he couldn't gain. Then he found out Duchaine was only eating 1800 calories a day LOL 

Haaha ! And thats the bodybuilding guru then lol

[gh15]

i like van b,,i like his posts a lot,,that fella is deserving 5 stars of expert,,very good posts writen well

[Blockhead]

I'm not asking you to be disloyal  but listen to the Mike Zumpano interviews on No Bull radio. Zumpano said Duchaine, when they first met, was on 16 different bodybuilding drugs but complained he couldn't gain. Then he found out Duchaine was only eating 1800 calories a day LOL 

Wait a minute but are you saying that MDRadio had a guido on the show as a guest? No way. Next thing you'll be telling me is that they'll have another New Yorker on the show. 

[Disgusted]

Yes, Arnold shrunk when off but does anyone think it matters, even just a little, that he also stopped training and eating like a bodybuilder? Say, he continued juicing but also stopped training and cut back his eating tremendously,

Arnold never stopped training although I am sure he intensity level went down a bit. Also, if you know anything about Arnold and it seems you don't he never ate a lot of food to begin with. His diet was very balanced.

[Disgusted]

Your comparing Dave's jacked pics to his coming out of jail pics.....whats that got to do with anything? Ones fully loaded with all the benefits of good food and lifting facilities and one isnt. You stated that when someone gets off the sauce they go right back down to their previous natural state limit which I absolutely disagree with. He got out of jail obviously on nothing, (with limited food and limited weight lifting capability in there...weighing 240 pounds or so at 5'9" - 5'10".....a far cry from his college natural days look isnt it? He didnt exactly revert back to his college look did he. Are you going to tell me if he was a lifetime natural that he would be able to stand at 240lbs with that same "out of prison" look.....if he was lifetime natural. No, performance enhancement has helped him get to a level that is beyond what he could of accomplished naturally.

You know what Brian? Sometimes I wonder if you are just acting dumb or you really are. I know that you have a lot of knowledge when it comes to lifting, but I don't understand where you get some of these goofy ideas?? You act like Dave was still huge when he got out of jail.  You are the one that wanted the pic posted?? My point is that he lost a lot of size in 5 months, although he did stay lean. Why in the HELL would he shrink back down to his high school days in 5 months!!!!!!!! 

Hell, it's normal for a lot of guys to just gain weight after high scholl for the fact that they are getting older and many guys I went to school with still filled out quite a bit after high school and they don't even lift weights. I have a friend who got in trouble many years ago. This guy was freakin huge and jacked. It took many many months for his levels to get back down to somewhat normal. In fact his parole officer even told him that if he didn't see it for himself that his levels were going down he would assumed that he was still using. Now, after a few months of being off he FINALLY started to shrink and when he did he freakin shrunk!!!!!! He went from 280 to 220. He still lifted religiously and he ate very good. Oh and by the way, his last blood test still showed that his test levels were still a little above normal!!!. Gee I wonder why he lost all that size?? Maybe he had bad genetics? 

[Howard]

are you a child molster and pedofile? no right? so what are you throwing drug dealer out like that ,,you are a moron and not only you blame gh15 of something it doesnt do but you also used those so called drugs for big part of yuor life and still use them in cream form

i swear sometimes i think benz get to the right people skins,,howerd you demonstrate on a dailly basis,,gh15 described SITUATIONS from bodybuilding life styles that doesnt have anything to do with suppliers

Look buddy, I could care less what you do. I don't know /don't care if you deal drugs (steroids ) or whatever and was just messin' with you . We disagree about how great a physique one can develop without a boatload of drugs.
It is an honest debate and one that will be discussed  here on get big.
Now, I agree I would be a "moron" if I just kept attacking you on a personal basis, which I have no intention of doing.
Take it easy GH15, an internet debate is not that serious a deal my friend, but it sure can be fun.
Howard