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Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« on: May 17, 2008, 02:05:52 AM »
Upbringing?   A sense of fulfillment and inner peace?   Fear?

I have to say that alot of the Christians that I know, the ones who hit church semi-regularly, but don't run around quoting scripture, seem to fear what may happen to them if they don't. They're afraid of the alternative when they die.



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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2008, 01:56:33 PM »
I don't know why most people accept Christ as saviour, but I do know why I did:

Peace like nobody and nothing else can give

A new heart

The Holy Spirit

Fellowship with God

Eternal Life

Treasures in Heaven

My reason was never fear, and it shouldn't be.  I don't believe that most true Christians accept Jesus Christ as saviour out of fear.  I'm no fan of Joel Osteen, but his church, the largest protestant church in the US, is evidence that many Christians are not followers of Jesus Christ out of fear.  Joel Osteen does not preach on Hell or eternal punishment.  So fear is obviously not what Osteen is using to attract multitudes to Jesus Christ.

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2008, 08:04:20 PM »
Do you mean joel olsten loco? from houston?

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2008, 08:06:51 PM »
It's "Osteen"..... you tards ::)

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2008, 08:15:33 PM »
Yes, I meant Joel Osteen.  Sorry!   ;D

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2008, 09:41:58 PM »
It's "Osteen"..... you tards ::)
LOL wow, we hit a nerve did we?

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2008, 09:45:25 PM »
Upbringing?   A sense of fulfillment and inner peace?   Fear?

I have to say that alot of the Christians that I know, the ones who hit church semi-regularly, but don't run around quoting scripture, seem to fear what may happen to them if they don't. They're afraid of the alternative when they die.




Aren't you the fruit who posted that "return of the northern gods" bs? What inspired you?

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2008, 09:47:35 PM »
Yes, I meant Joel Osteen.  Sorry!   ;D
thats alright, A good friend of mine goes to that church and Im not a big fan of his either more than likely b/c of the way my friend believes everthing this guy says. He takes everything he says as truth and I really dont think he has ever critcally examined his faith at all which is probably why he does that. On a side note another friend of mine told me that he is not an ordained minister/pastor, and on another side not the friend of mine who goes to his church said that he said in some interview that he reps 300 on bench, which i think is freaking hillarious.

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2008, 03:01:17 AM »
Flying Spaghetti Monster is disappointed in you all.

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2008, 09:54:03 PM »
Joel Osteen, i read his book and watched him a few times (not religious myself) but I like the guy, and i liked his book, very grounded messages that can inspire people. I feel that this guy is going to do alot of good in the world.

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 10:16:45 AM »
The Holy Spirit makes them alive!

Ephesians 2:1,8-9
1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

John 1:12-13
12 But to all who did receive him,
(A) who believed in his name,
(B) he gave the right
(C) to become
(D) children of God,
13 who
(E) were born,
(F) not of blood
(G) nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.



Matthew 16:16-1716 Simon Peter replied,
(A) "You are
(B) the Christ,
(C) the Son of
(D) the living God."
17 And Jesus answered him,
(E) "Blessed are you,
(F) Simon Bar-Jonah! For
(G) flesh and blood has not revealed this to you,
(H) but my Father who is in heaven.
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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2008, 08:07:05 AM »
Upbringing?   A sense of fulfillment and inner peace?   Fear?

I don't know why most people accept Christ as saviour, but I do know why I did:

Peace like nobody and nothing else can give

A new heart

The Holy Spirit

Fellowship with God

Eternal Life

Treasures in Heaven

My reason was never fear, and it shouldn't be.  I don't believe that most true Christians accept Jesus Christ as saviour out of fear. 

All of the above are reasons imo.  But I agree w/loco that most of the believers I know didn't accept Christ out of fear.

Other reasons could include feelings of a need for forgiveness and research into and acceptance of bible prophecy as valid which can result in accepting the bible as truth.
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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2008, 01:35:10 AM »

Because those religious whackos will leave you the fuck alone if you say you do (accept Christ).

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2008, 05:15:24 AM »
Hmm, I don't see many people in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan accepting Christ.

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2008, 06:46:05 AM »
Hmm, I don't see many people in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan accepting Christ.
Are you in the military BigJ?  If so, thank you for serving!

I'm not sure what your meaning is behind your post but one reason you may not "see" a lot of people accepting Christ in those countries is that they may be secretive about it since Christianity is "considered a crime under Afghanistan's shariah laws" and "Fundamentalist Wahhabi Islam is the only expression of religion allowed in Saudi Arabia."

Apparently people are sometimes arrested and tortured etc for coverting to Christianity so some people probably aren't that vocal about it.



Christian convert faces death penalty in Afghanistan

Daniel Cooney in Kabul
The Guardian, Monday March 20 2006
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www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/20/afghanistan.islam

A man could be sentenced to death after being charged with converting from Islam to Christianity, a crime under Afghanistan's shariah laws, a judge said yesterday. The trial is thought to be the first of its kind in Afghanistan and highlights a struggle between religious conservatives and reformists over what shape Islam will take four years after the fall of the Taliban.
Abdul Rahman, 41, was arrested last month after his family accused him of becoming a Christian, Judge Ansarullah Mawlavezada told Associated Press. The accused was charged with rejecting Islam.

During the one-day hearing on Thursday, the defendant allegedly confessed to converting to Christianity 16 years ago while working as a medical aid worker for an international Christian group helping Afghan refugees in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, Judge Mawlavezada said.

"We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge said. "It is an attack on Islam." He will rule on the case within two months.

Shariah law states that any Muslim who rejects Islam should be sentenced to death, according to Ahmad Fahim Hakim, deputy chairman of the state-sponsored Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission. Repeated attempts to impose a jail sentence were barred.

The prosecutor, Abdul Wasi, said he had offered to drop the charges if Mr Rahman converted back to Islam, but he refused. "He would have been forgiven if he changed back. But he said he was a Christian and would always remain one," Mr Wasi said. "We are Muslims and becoming a Christian is against our laws. He must get the death penalty."

A Christian aid worker in Kabul, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there was no reliable figure for the number of Afghan Christians. He said few admit their faith because of fear of retribution and there are no known Afghan churches. An old house in a war-wrecked suburb of Kabul serves as a Christian place of worship for expatriates. The only other churches are believed to be inside foreign embassies or on bases belonging to the US-led coalition or a NATO peacekeeping force.

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12/17/2004 10:17
saudi arabia
Saudi Christian convert arrested and jailed

http:www/asianews.it/view.php?I=en&art=2134

Jeddah (AsiaNews) – A Saudi citizen converted to Christianity has been arrested and jailed.  Emad Alaabadi was taken into custody last November 29, at Hofuf, a town in eastern Saudi Arabia, but the news was reported only a few days ago by the International Christian Concern (ICC), a Washington-based human rights group.  AsiaNews local sources have confirmed the report, and also say that he "is not the only Saudi Christian in jail at the moment: there are also others".

According to news obtained by ICC, other Christians – at least 3 or 4 – appear to have been arrested along with Emad.  The presence of Christians in Saudi prisons had also been confirmed by Brian O'Connor, in an interview with AsiaNews.  Brian Savio O'Connor is a Protestant Indian who was deported from Saudi Arabia after being tortured and held in prison for "having preached Christianity".  Upon his return to India, O'Connor told AsiaNews that "there are still many other Christians that need your help in Saudi prisons".

Last November 29, Amad was intercepted by the Muttawa, Saudi religion police, while he was driving his children home from school.  The police escorted them home and then took Amad to the local prison.  Later he was transferred to Jeddah, were he is currently imprisoned.  On December 4, he managed to contact his mother, who lives in Australia, by telephone, to let her know what had happened and where he was. The mother reported that he sounded very weak: ICC said that the Muttawa agents probably tortured the Christian-faith Amad to reconvert him to Islam.

Alaabadi is 30 years old and has 4 children.  He became Christian 2 years ago, but it is not known to what denomination he belongs.

Fundamentalist Wahhabi Islam is the only expression of religion allowed in Saudi Arabia.  There is no religious freedom in the country, even if Saudi officials have been tolerating the private practice of other religions.  However, the Saudi religion police, the Muttawa, continues to persecute Christians in their homes where they meet to pray. 

The construction of churches or chapels is not allowed in the country.  Muslims make up 93.7% of the Saudi population of 21.6 million people.  Christians, who are almost entirely foreigners, account for 3.7% of the population.  There are 800,000 Catholics.  There are no exact figures on the number of Saudi Christians. (LF)



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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2008, 11:32:00 PM »
Everyone who accepts Jesus as saviour has the perspective that everything in the world falls underneath the importance of Jesus dieing for our sins or is by far less important, therefore people accept Jesus because they are without even one doubt convinced that it is the most important thing for them to do in their lifetime. This is the single reason why we accept, simply because it is the right thing to do from a Christians perspective. If the result brings you inner peace or happiness or causes your fear of death or hell to go away then thats Ok but those aren`t true reasons to accept the lord. Many have lived a life of torment as a Christian without complaint.

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2008, 05:32:32 AM »
Are you in the military BigJ?  If so, thank you for serving!

I'm not sure what your meaning is behind your post but one reason you may not "see" a lot of people accepting Christ in those countries is that they may be secretive about it since Christianity is "considered a crime under Afghanistan's shariah laws" and "Fundamentalist Wahhabi Islam is the only expression of religion allowed in Saudi Arabia."

Apparently people are sometimes arrested and tortured etc for coverting to Christianity so some people probably aren't that vocal about it.

Great post, STella!

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2008, 06:44:44 AM »
Great post, STella!
Thanks loco!  As you probably know there are some ministries that are "clandestine" for lack of a better word.  And they need to be so people don't get possibly arrested and/or tortured and/or killed. :(
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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2008, 09:50:23 AM »
Thanks loco!  As you probably know there are some ministries that are "clandestine" for lack of a better word.  And they need to be so people don't get possibly arrested and/or tortured and/or killed. :(

Yup:

"In more than 40 nations around the world today Christians are being persecuted for their faith. In some of these nations it is illegal to own a Bible, to share your faith Christ, change your faith or teach your children about Jesus. Those who boldly follow Christ—in spite of government edict or radical opposition—can face harassment, arrest, torture and even death. Yet Christians continue to meet for worship and to witness for Christ, and the church in restricted nations is growing."
http://www.prisoneralert.com/vompw_persecution.htm

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2008, 09:57:36 AM »
Yup:

"In more than 40 nations around the world today Christians are being persecuted for their faith. In some of these nations it is illegal to own a Bible, to share your faith Christ, change your faith or teach your children about Jesus. Those who boldly follow Christ—in spite of government edict or radical opposition—can face harassment, arrest, torture and even death. Yet Christians continue to meet for worship and to witness for Christ, and the church in restricted nations is growing."
http://www.prisoneralert.com/vompw_persecution.htm

Christians love being martyrs for their imaginary friend.
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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2008, 10:11:44 AM »
Christians love being martyrs for their imaginary friend.

I do not love being a martyr, not even for Jesus.   But I will be a martyr for Jesus if I have to....if I really have to.

If Christians loved being martyrs, then they wouldn't hide from those who want to kill them in those countries where they are persecuted.

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2008, 10:14:10 AM »
I do not love being a martyr, not even for Jesus.   But I will be a martyr for Jesus if I have to....if I really have to.

If Christians loved being martyrs, then they wouldn't hide from those who want to kill them in those countries where they are persecuted.

Why hide? An eternity of delight and joy in heaven awaits them after this foul mortal coil releases them.
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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2008, 10:21:08 AM »
Why hide? An eternity of delight and joy in heaven awaits them after this foul mortal coil releases them.

Biblical Christianity is not about accepting Christ and then dying.  Biblical Christianity is about accepting Christ and then living for Christ as long as possible so that one can spread the Gospel as much as possible and save as many souls as possible.  It's more about living for Christ than it is about dying for Christ.

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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2008, 10:23:07 AM »
Biblical Christianity is not about accepting Christ and then dying.  Biblical Christianity is about accepting Christ and then living for Christ as long as possible so that one can spread the Gospel as much as possible and save as many souls as possible.  It's more about living for Christ than it is about dying for Christ.

This says the man whose name is crazy. :D
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Re: Why do most people accept Christ as their saviour?
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2008, 10:29:45 AM »
This says the man whose name is crazy. :D

Yes, I am loco.    ;D

But my Internet nick name has nothing to do with the truthfulness of what I posted above.

Besides, to the world, especially to people as yourself, all Christians will always be locos.      ;D